Zaehet Strife
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I'm sure it was much easier to believe in fairytales thousands of years ago when humans had little to no leisure time.
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Hepheastus420
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I can't wait to be old. It would be so awesome to own your own house and have retirement pat your bills. I plan on sitting on the couch in front of the TV with an old wooden pipe full of dro in my mouth. Maybe a badass dog, possibly a cool lady by my side, and it would be pretty cool to be able to still walk around without a wheelchair.
Hepheastus420
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So chief, I'm not sure if I should waste anymore time on you since I have a feeling that you're just a troll, but I'll try to help clear a few things up for you.. Here's your post in red and mine in blue..
Awe cute, your pretending you dont have beliefs.
I've stated that we all have beliefs plenty of times. For example, I believe you're delusional.
You BELIEVE there is no god, Hep, dont lie.
I find it very hard to believe there is a god, yes. I also find it hard to believe that there is an army of leprechauns that ride unicorns.
Thats how you were raised, you were raised to believe what people tell you
In all honesty, I was raised to believe that I shouldn't question my beliefs in god.. I did. Not sure how that means I follow exactly what I'm told, But I guess you're right
raised to be in a labeled group.
I believe it's unfair to be called an atheist. We really don't have anything in common that stems from atheism.
You were a kid, accepted the first explanation of life that was given to you, kept that ridiculous explanation for a while until you finally caught on.
Yeah I'm pretty happy that I was able to think for myself without disregarding logic. I hope you will be able to do that someday.
Dropped, then it was almost like you were a kid again, fresh mind! But sadly, people came and told you whats what, and you accepted it,
Yes, damn you reality and facts
. Why did you have to go be so believable which caused me to accept you as fact? Darn science.
just repeated the process with no original thought...
Do you believe your thoughts are original? I'm pretty sure your friend told you to believe in him.. Who needs original thought when it comes to accepting reality? It doesn't matter if I think gravity exists or not.. It's still gonna surround us every day. I do respect people that use original thought to discover new and useful things.. They're awesome IMO.
Im quite fine with keeping the discussion here, thanks =)
I'm not. This is my thread. I don't want to derail pad's thread further than we have. Here, you can dish out whatever nonsense you want since I welcome it.
unless this is the last word.
Nah, I like your posts. They amuse me.
Awe cute, your pretending you dont have beliefs.
I've stated that we all have beliefs plenty of times. For example, I believe you're delusional.
You BELIEVE there is no god, Hep, dont lie.
I find it very hard to believe there is a god, yes. I also find it hard to believe that there is an army of leprechauns that ride unicorns.
Thats how you were raised, you were raised to believe what people tell you
In all honesty, I was raised to believe that I shouldn't question my beliefs in god.. I did. Not sure how that means I follow exactly what I'm told, But I guess you're right
raised to be in a labeled group.
I believe it's unfair to be called an atheist. We really don't have anything in common that stems from atheism.
You were a kid, accepted the first explanation of life that was given to you, kept that ridiculous explanation for a while until you finally caught on.
Yeah I'm pretty happy that I was able to think for myself without disregarding logic. I hope you will be able to do that someday.
Dropped, then it was almost like you were a kid again, fresh mind! But sadly, people came and told you whats what, and you accepted it,
Yes, damn you reality and facts
. Why did you have to go be so believable which caused me to accept you as fact? Darn science.just repeated the process with no original thought...
Do you believe your thoughts are original? I'm pretty sure your friend told you to believe in him.. Who needs original thought when it comes to accepting reality? It doesn't matter if I think gravity exists or not.. It's still gonna surround us every day. I do respect people that use original thought to discover new and useful things.. They're awesome IMO.
Im quite fine with keeping the discussion here, thanks =)
I'm not. This is my thread. I don't want to derail pad's thread further than we have. Here, you can dish out whatever nonsense you want since I welcome it.
unless this is the last word.
Nah, I like your posts. They amuse me.
Hepheastus420
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Do you guys believe you would be as social as you are now if your friends or family didn't use drugs at social events? I probably wouldn't.
kpmarine
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I feel I would be more socially awkward if it weren't for social drug use. Until i had a few drinks, I used to be horrible at talking to strange people. Booze makes people, including yourself, more interesting.
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Mine don't. I'm not. cn
tyler.durden
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My parents and their friends always had alcohol (and sometimes weed) at parties and get togethers, and later, I was the same with my friends. It's definitely a social lubricant; a dry party has a much different vibe than a wet one...
Chief Walkin Eagle
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LOL Oh Hep, Im actually proud of you on this post, you almost sound like you know what your talking about. It seems you dont know what agnostic means, agnostic means you dont know, there very well could be a god and there very well couldnt, that is not you at all. Do you argue against people that oppose the existence of god? no, you dont, because you BELIEVE that god does not exist, which makes you atheist. And yes, you were raised to not question anything, because questioning requires independent thinking. Then you finally dropped your fairy tales, had a fresh mind again and said "Hey guys! Im no longer religious, so tell me how the world works and what I should think, because its hard to explore this world of knowledge and think for myself! I trust you guys!" <--- please tell me how I am wrong when I say that, and dont give me this "Derrp they sound reasonable and believable". Well Hep, when you were a kid with a fresh mind, religion sounded reasonable and believable too, they spoon fed you information and you accepted it, the exact same thing happened when you dropped your beliefs, you could not discover the world for yourself, that kinda stuff is too hard to think about for you. You blindly followed religion, didnt question anything, dropped religion, had a fresh mind, then ONCE AGAIN accepted the first explanation presented to you. PLEASE prove me wrong without saying "well they sound reasonable, they must be right!"... I dont oppose science btw, science and god go hand in hand and science says nothing to disprove god, so science is cool beans man. And I also dont believe anything, beliefs are stupid, they put you into a tiny bubble of limitations and you oppose anything thats beyond that bubble. I KNOW, I dont believe. I know through experience and understanding. Believing is almost like faith, a belief with no evidence.Beliefs are what you have, not me. I have experience and understanding, beliefs dont usually sit well with someone who has experience and understanding... Alright, this is where you say "Says the nutjob", because you have nothing to say that hasnt already been said by someone else, put that independent noodle to work and prove to me you're not a follower.So chief, I'm not sure if I should waste anymore time on you since I have a feeling that you're just a troll, but I'll try to help clear a few things up for you.. Here's your post in red and mine in blue..
Awe cute, your pretending you dont have beliefs.
I've stated that we all have beliefs plenty of times. For example, I believe you're delusional.
You BELIEVE there is no god, Hep, dont lie.
I find it very hard to believe there is a god, yes. I also find it hard to believe that there is an army of leprechauns that ride unicorns.
Thats how you were raised, you were raised to believe what people tell you
In all honesty, I was raised to believe that I shouldn't question my beliefs in god.. I did. Not sure how that means I follow exactly what I'm told, But I guess you're right
raised to be in a labeled group.
I believe it's unfair to be called an atheist. We really don't have anything in common that stems from atheism.
You were a kid, accepted the first explanation of life that was given to you, kept that ridiculous explanation for a while until you finally caught on.
Yeah I'm pretty happy that I was able to think for myself without disregarding logic. I hope you will be able to do that someday.
Dropped, then it was almost like you were a kid again, fresh mind! But sadly, people came and told you whats what, and you accepted it,
Yes, damn you reality and facts
just repeated the process with no original thought...
Do you believe your thoughts are original? I'm pretty sure your friend told you to believe in him.. Who needs original thought when it comes to accepting reality? It doesn't matter if I think gravity exists or not.. It's still gonna surround us every day. I do respect people that use original thought to discover new and useful things.. They're awesome IMO.
Im quite fine with keeping the discussion here, thanks =)
I'm not. This is my thread. I don't want to derail pad's thread further than we have. Here, you can dish out whatever nonsense you want since I welcome it.
unless this is the last word.
Nah, I like your posts. They amuse me.
Heisenberg
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Ok Chief, Hep asked you for opposition in this thread, and you have indeed laid out a clear challenge for him to answer. I am interested to see his response. Not because I think you have a good point, but I want to see Hep demonstrate his skills.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Good for you for not helping him! Hep needs moments like these to learn.Ok Chief, Hep asked you for opposition in this thread, and you have indeed laid out a clear challenge for him to answer. I am interested to see his response. Not because I think you have a good point, but I want to see Hep demonstrate his skills.
Hepheastus420
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It seems you dont know what agnostic means, agnostic means you dont know, there very well could be a god and there very well couldnt, that is not you at all.
When did I ever claim to know the answers to questions that can't be answered?
Do you argue against people that oppose the existence of god? no, you dont, because you BELIEVE that god does not exist, which makes you atheist.
I don't argue on the side of god since I have no proof and I don't believe in him anyways. I don't believe in god.. That doesn't mean I know how the world was created. Saying "god did it" is just silly if you have no reason to say so besides faith. I choose to believe in reality and I also believe that someday (not in my life time) we will find out the origin of our existence. Until then, I'm not gonna argue for fairy tales to explain life.
And yes, you were raised to not question anything, because questioning requires independent thinking.
If I wasn't able to think on my own, why don't I have a religion anymore? It takes independent thinking to look at the beliefs that people told you to believe in and question them.
Then you finally dropped your fairy tales, had a fresh mind again and said "Hey guys! Im no longer religious, so tell me how the world works and what I should think, because its hard to explore this world of knowledge and think for myself! I trust you guys!"
First off, no shit I ask for help. Imagine if nobody had help. Imagine if nobody shared knowledge, we'd be a bunch of dumbass people that still live in caves. The way a productive society works is by everybody working together and sharing new found knowledge.
It is hard to explore the world. That's why people share ideas. Science helps alot with that. You would be dead right now if it wasn't for science. You'd be dead if you never asked for help. At least I can admit I don't know. and that I need some help learning (either by friends, school, research, or by the people here). It's better than assuming you know the answers to life and just not pass any useful knowledge down to others, like you.
<--- please tell me how I am wrong when I say that, and dont give me this "Derrp they sound reasonable and believable".
That's exactly why I believe in logic facts. It explains life without coming up with lies to back it up. Why would I go off and make a religion like you? Personally, I'd rather face the truth than say we will live on forever as young gods.
Well Hep, when you were a kid with a fresh mind, religion sounded reasonable and believable too, they spoon fed you information and you accepted it, the exact same thing happened when you dropped your beliefs, you could not discover the world for yourself, that kinda stuff is too hard to think about for you.
It sounded good and comfortable. It never sounded reasonable or believable. The religious mind is good at ignoring facts in an attempt to keep their faith. Religion is nonsense. Now tell me what's nonsense about my new beliefs. Is it bad to admit I don't know all the answers? Is it bad to believe we need water to survive and that gravity exists? I don't get what's wrong with eating this great knowledge that is being "spoon fed" to me. Hell, give me another bowl of knowledge, I love this shit. You should try some. It tastes a little bitter at first but it grows on you.
You blindly followed religion, didnt question anything, dropped religion, had a fresh mind, then ONCE AGAIN accepted the first explanation presented to you.
What's wrong with accepting the truth? You make it sound bad that I believe in facts. I'm sorry I don't run around believing in fairy tales like you.. It just doesn't work for me.
PLEASE prove me wrong without saying "well they sound reasonable, they must be right!"...
Science doesn't sound right, it is right. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Facts are just new discoveries. Whether or not we discover them, it won't affect the fact itself. If we never found out the world was round, it wouldn't matter since the world would still be round.
Using your logic I shouldn't believe that the world is round either right? I mean that was just spoon fed knowledge. They told me the world is round and they provided proof. But nope, I should have my own thoughts and ignorantly believe the world is a triangle or some shit right? There's nothing wrong with accepting facts.
I dont oppose science btw, science and god go hand in hand and science says nothing to disprove god, so science is cool beans man.
Science disproves most religions and doesn't accept god as an answer. If science doesn't accept god as fact, how do they go hand in hand?
And I also dont believe anything, beliefs are stupid, they put you into a tiny bubble of limitations and you oppose anything thats beyond that bubble.
Really? Because you seem pretty stuck on the idea that we're young gods. And if you don't reject everything that people tell you, what are you doing? You're accepting knowledge like me too. I'm just more open minded and honest than you. Maybe someday you'll learn to admit you don't know, I'm kinda doubting it though.
I KNOW, I dont believe. I know through experience and understanding. Believing is almost like faith, a belief with no evidence.Beliefs are what you have, not me. I have experience and understanding, beliefs dont usually sit well with someone who has experience and understanding...
You're delusuional then. How can you actually believe in something that isn't there? How can you believe in something that doesn't have any proof or evidence to back it up? It's just a made up explanation in your head. No different than an imaginary friend that gives you comfort. Again, you're delusional.
Alright, this is where you say "Says the nutjob", because you have nothing to say that hasnt already been said by someone else,
Not in this thread. I can waste as much space as I want without bothering anybody here.
put that independent noodle to work and prove to me you're not a follower.
There's nothing to prove. I am a follower. We are ALL followers. And that's a damn good thing if you follow good and useful knowledge. If you follow stupid beliefs like yours, we will move nowhere in life and society.
Hepheastus420
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Ahhh I'm under inspection!? I'm not ready for my test heis lol.Ok Chief, Hep asked you for opposition in this thread, and you have indeed laid out a clear challenge for him to answer. I am interested to see his response. Not because I think you have a good point, but I want to see Hep demonstrate his skills.
Heisenberg
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You did fine Grasshopper.
This is mainly what I was looking for, though you should have expanded on it. The accusation was that you somehow made your mind a blank slate and then accepted the first programming you received, when what actually happen is, you listened to reason. You heard a good argument and changed your views, which is a hallmark of sophistication. The only thing that changed was you learned how to better evaluate an argument. You've demonstrated that you have an open mind capable of intelligent discrimination, and that discrimination is what the Chief is trying to devalue, because it rattles his opinions.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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I seen you say "god does not exist" more than once Hep, claiming you know something that top scientists dont know. You are not agnostic, true agnostics dont know and dont favor any sides when it comes to theism and atheism. You believe god does not exist, so you are an atheist.
I was pointing out your biased reasoning when it comes to your current and former beliefs. Your didnt question authority figures about god when you were young, you accepted what they had to say. Took you forever to look past those obvious lies, finally dropped the belief, had a fresh mind, had the option to explore this world of knowledge to take what you can from many groups of people and teachings, but no... You went to a specific group of people that told you the answers, you didnt ask anyone else, didnt seek the opinions, didnt do any soul searching what so ever. You just accepted what they said to be the only way reality functions. Went from religion = god exists! to no religion = god cant exist. You didnt even attempt to explore the middle ground, the people spoon feeding you didnt let you, unless you already had it in your mind that these guys know wussup.
Ah yes, you asked for help. Who did you ask though? Did you ask help from many groups of people to help you get a better grip on understanding the world? Or did you ask one specific group of people with one of the most limited viewpoints on the world? I think you know the answer there. Where did you get the idea that I oppose science? You bring it up like your a scientists, reality check man, your a child whos mad because he believed in lies for his whole life, your emotions chose your next path to follow more than your reasoning process did. The people on here told you what to research, they told you the "facts", they said science is the only credible form of knowledge and you have FAITH that science is not misguiding you.
Im making a religion? LOL wheres my followers? Wheres my book of guidelines? Your a funny guy Hep. And you keep bringing up my beliefs (hate that word) like it holds any credibility to your argument. You say you are an agnostic, right? Therefore you know my "belief" is no more ridiculous than someone who believes god is not real. Thats agnosticism Hep, something you are not apart of. If god was real (I say "if" so you can be more accepting) do you seriously think we'd stay the same throughout eternity? Never changing or evolving or amounting to anything besides sheep that worship the king sheep? Yeah, a "belief" where you continue to learn, experience, and evolve (like we do in real life) is SO ridiculous, what was I thinking? lol Please tell me your idea of god, Im interested.
Religion never sounded believable? So you knew that people shouldnt believe such things yet you continued to believe until you were 18? That doesnt sound right at all. Theres nothing scientific you can tell me that I dont already know and agree with, yes, I agree with the growing child of knowledge which is science. Something that I have a better grasp on than you do, UNLESS you can prove otherwise.
"I dont claim to know the answers"... "Whats wrong with believing in the truth?" <-- yet another epic contradiction from Hep. So no one has the answers yet theres a group of people that tell the truth? Hmm, good one Hep.
Science is not right, those who have faith that science is not misguiding them say "science is the closest approximation to the truth", which is not "right", its close to right, if that. All this science talk from you, yet I never seen you type anything that supports your arguments at all, just "The earth is round, I drink water, water is in soup, I LIKE SOUP!", thats seriously all the "science" I am hearing from you.
YOUR view of science doesnt accept god as fact, your version of science covers its ears and says "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" whenever a new discovery is made that contradicts what has been taught for years. Theres a mountain of new discoveries saying civilization started WAY before 6000 BC. yet the masses still blindly accept that it did start 8 thousand years ago because accepting such discoveries would change our entire view oh history. Theres evidence that the ancients had advanced knowledge and a deeper understanding of everything. Russian scientists from the military built pyramids on laylines (lines with the most energy) and those pyramids improved the quality of life in the area. Seeds that sat in the pyramid would grow twice as big and healthy than seeds that werent in the pyramid. Sickness in the area dramatically decreased, diseases disappeared, big storms would somehow avoid the area every single time. You can use radiation to pass genetic information from one species to another, make a chicken with webbed feet and duck head, make a frog give birth to a salamander just by putting a salamander in front of a weak beam of radiation that points at a pregnant frog. What does Darwin have to say about that shit? He wouldnt oppose it, he himself said theres a missing link in evolution, something just doesnt make sense. And do you seriously think 97% of DNA is absolutely useless? Do you even know what Im talking about when I mention these things? C'mon Hep, man of science, throw some science at, tell me something that I dont already know. Science is absolutely STUMPED on so many things, its silly to be dependent on such limited knowledge, not to discredit it though.
Alright, you say beliefs in god are ignorant because theres no proof, yet when someone says they experienced something that does prove god, their delusional? Well when they come from religious folk then yes, a lot of the time they are delusional. But theres millions upon millions of stories where people claim to of seen a ghost, or even an alien. Your telling me that every single one of those people just got fooled by their own imagination? "People get fooled that balloons are space ships all the time" <-- thats a shit poor excuse and it doesnt explain anything. To say everyone of those millions and millions of people were fooled by there imagination is just pure ignorance, it shows that you have something to hold on to, accepting that just one of those reports to be true would make you rethink what reality is, which we all know you dont like doing that, there has to be others to think for you.
Deny what I say all you want, you are a bobble head that nods in agreement instead of finding out things for yourself.
Hepheastus420
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I seen you say "god does not exist" more than once Hep, claiming you know something that top scientists dont know. You are not agnostic, true agnostics dont know and dont favor any sides when it comes to theism and atheism. You believe god does not exist, so you are an atheist.
You know what? You're right. I have said that.. And now that I've realized how I can't honestly say "god doesn't exist", I change my beliefs. Saying there's no god requires the same leap of faith that you take in believing we live for eternity. My bad.
I was pointing out your biased reasoning when it comes to your current and former beliefs. Your didnt question authority figures about god when you were young, you accepted what they had to say. Took you forever to look past those obvious lies, finally dropped the belief, had a fresh mind, had the option to explore this world of knowledge to take what you can from many groups of people and teachings, but no... You went to a specific group of people that told you the answers, you didnt ask anyone else, didnt seek the opinions, didnt do any soul searching what so ever.
I learned from my mistakes. I realized that my beliefs were nonsense. It's not wrong of me to gain new knowledge and lose unreasonable logic. Along with new found knowledge (not saying I'm smart), I lost my relgion. My current beliefs were gained from MY new perspective on life. Knowledge was given to me and I accepted it because I wanted to. I could have easily been like you and ignored it, but I decided to give it a chance. I haven't regretted it yet and I never will.
You just accepted what they said to be the only way reality functions. Went from religion = god exists! to no religion = god cant exist. You didnt even attempt to explore the middle ground, the people spoon feeding you didnt let you, unless you already had it in your mind that these guys know wussup.
I accepted it as the only reality I know exists. I know the world is round so I believe it.. I know we need water to survive so I believe it. I don't know if god created the world, so I don't accept it. I don't know if god exists at all, so I don't accept it. If science discovers some head master that is known as our creator, I will believe in him. For now, knlowedge tells me that he can't be proven.. So why believe in him?
Ah yes, you asked for help. Who did you ask though? Did you ask help from many groups of people to help you get a better grip on understanding the world? Or did you ask one specific group of people with one of the most limited viewpoints on the world? I think you know the answer there.
I asked atheists friends, my religious father, my religious grandmother, religious friends, preachers, people from here, and I did some research online. From all the different choices I could have picked, I chose to follow my own logic and reasoning that is backed up by fact.. Nothing wrong with that.
Where did you get the idea that I oppose science?
The fact that you believe we're gods leads me to believe that you ignore reality. You believe what YOU want to believe.. Science is different. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, it still exists. I have a feeling that you would say science is wrong just to keep going with your beliefs. I'm sure if I look through enough of your posts, I can find something to back that up.
You bring it up like your a scientists, reality check man, your a child whos mad because he believed in lies for his whole life, your emotions chose your next path to follow more than your reasoning process did.
That's hilarious man.. "your own emotions chose your next path".. Hahaha. Religion provided me with lots of comfort. If I followed emotions to make decisions, I'd be as delusional as you. I'd still be religious since I'd be happy believing that I won't truly die and I could see my family again.
The people on here told you what to research, they told you the "facts", they said science is the only credible form of knowledge and you have FAITH that science is not misguiding you.
Science deals with facts.. Logic helps decide truth from nonsense. There's no faith needed to accept science.. All you need is knowledge.
Im making a religion? LOL wheres my followers? Wheres my book of guidelines? Your a funny guy Hep. And you keep bringing up my beliefs (hate that word) like it holds any credibility to your argument.
You want me to have my own beliefs. You think it's wrong that I followed an organized religion and you think following facts is wrong. I'm letting you know YOU'RE the wrong one. If I didn't accept knowledge from others, I'd be as delusional as you. I bring up your beliefs as an example of what I'm avoiding. I want to be the opposite of you. And why is it so hard to understand that you believe we're gods? It's just a belief.. Not fact.. It has no proof.. No evidence. It is just a belief.. A silly one IMO.
You say you are an agnostic, right? Therefore you know my "belief" is no more ridiculous than someone who believes god is not real.
Agnostics understand that god being real is unkown and cannot be known.. yet. Believing your beliefs are silly is just an opinion.. Just as silly as believing leprechauns ride unicorns in your house when you're sleeping.
Thats agnosticism Hep, something you are not apart of.
Even if I'm not agnostic, what does that have to do with anything?
If god was real (I say "if" so you can be more accepting) do you seriously think we'd stay the same throughout eternity?
What? I doubt us humans would survive all eternity. We're bound to be destroyed sooner or later. I'm sorry but I don't understand your question.
Never changing or evolving or amounting to anything besides sheep that worship the king sheep?
Again, what? We evolve without god. We don't need a magic man to show us how to live and gain knowledge.
Yeah, a "belief" where you continue to learn, experience, and evolve (like we do in real life) is SO ridiculous, what was I thinking? lol Please tell me your idea of god, Im interested.
You learn nothing from beliefs.. Especially when you won't accept that they are purely beliefs. You haven't evolved. You just downgraded. You set aside CTS to come up with your beliefs.
My idea of god? He was my imaginary friend. I loved him.. It turns out he isn't real (as far as I can tell). I can't hate what I don't believe nor can I love what I don't believe. I don't really have a stance on god. Now religion, that's another story. Religion and beliefs like yours suck IMO.
Religion never sounded believable? So you knew that people shouldnt believe such things yet you continued to believe until you were 18? That doesnt sound right at all.
Yeah I was ignorant. I said that th religious mindset is good at setting aside CTS tokeep on believing.
Theres nothing scientific you can tell me that I dont already know and agree with, yes, I agree with the growing child of knowledge which is science. Something that I have a better grasp on than you do, UNLESS you can prove otherwise.
If you like science so much, why do you believe in things that have no proof at all? WHy do you accept it as fact when you KNOW that it's not?
"I dont claim to know the answers"... "Whats wrong with believing in the truth?" <-- yet another epic contradiction from Hep. So no one has the answers yet theres a group of people that tell the truth? Hmm, good one Hep.
Wow.. I don't claim to know the answers to questions that can't be answered.. Use the whole sentence. I do believe the truth.. The world is round.
Science is not right, those who have faith that science is not misguiding them say "science is the closest approximation to the truth", which is not "right", its close to right, if that. All this science talk from you, yet I never seen you type anything that supports your arguments at all, just "The earth is round, I drink water, water is in soup, I LIKE SOUP!", thats seriously all the "science" I am hearing from you.
If I have a mental disorder, I can look towards science to help me. If I have a headahce, I can take a pill that will help me.. Guess what helped create the pill? Science. I follow facts. God isn't a fact, not at all.
YOUR view of science doesnt accept god as fact, your version of science covers its ears and says "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" whenever a new discovery is made that contradicts what has been taught for years.
Really? That's funny.. Show me these contradictions with legitimate proof.. Not just opinions or videos on youtube.
Theres a mountain of new discoveries saying civilization started WAY before 6000 BC. yet the masses still blindly accept that it did start 8 thousand years ago because accepting such discoveries would change our entire view oh history.
LOLOLOLOL Show me this too..
Theres evidence that the ancients had advanced knowledge and a deeper understanding of everything.
Lets save that topic for another time. If we go onto that you won't shut up about them. For now, I'll just say that they were smart.. Obviously not smart enough to survive though.
Russian scientists from the military built pyramids on laylines (lines with the most energy) and those pyramids improved the quality of life in the area. Seeds that sat in the pyramid would grow twice as big and healthy than seeds that werent in the pyramid. Sickness in the area dramatically decreased, diseases disappeared, big storms would somehow avoid the area every single time.
I'm calling bullshit. Prove yourself.
You can use radiation to pass genetic information from one species to another, make a chicken with webbed feet and duck head, make a frog give birth to a salamander just by putting a salamander in front of a weak beam of radiation that points at a pregnant frog. What does Darwin have to say about that shit? He wouldnt oppose it, he himself said theres a missing link in evolution, something just doesnt make sense. And do you seriously think 97% of DNA is absolutely useless? Do you even know what Im talking about when I mention these things? C'mon Hep, man of science, throw some science at, tell me something that I dont already know. Science is absolutely STUMPED on so many things, its silly to be dependent on such limited knowledge, not to discredit it though.
Great, so science hasn't discovered everything. Big surprise (sarcasm). It's still gaining knowledge and giving back to society. What science do you want me to throw at you? Do you want to talk about legitimate things and not gods? Then bring up a topic and I'd be happy to learn from it.
Alright, you say beliefs in god are ignorant because theres no proof, yet when someone says they experienced something that does prove god, their delusional?
Experiences aren't proof.
Well when they come from religious folk then yes, a lot of the time they are delusional. But theres millions upon millions of stories where people claim to of seen a ghost, or even an alien. Your telling me that every single one of those people just got fooled by their own imagination?
Claims aren't proof. Now I will admit that enough claims can make many people raise eyebrows, but I won't accept it as fact. Do aliens and ghosts exist? I don't know.
"People get fooled that balloons are space ships all the time" <-- thats a shit poor excuse and it doesnt explain anything. To say everyone of those millions and millions of people were fooled by there imagination is just pure ignorance, it shows that you have something to hold on to, accepting that just one of those reports to be true would make you rethink what reality is, which we all know you dont like doing that, there has to be others to think for you.
What's bad about rethinking reality? Sounds fun.
Deny what I say all you want, you are a bobble head that nods in agreement instead of finding out things for yourself.
Said the nutjob.
You know what? You're right. I have said that.. And now that I've realized how I can't honestly say "god doesn't exist", I change my beliefs. Saying there's no god requires the same leap of faith that you take in believing we live for eternity. My bad.
I was pointing out your biased reasoning when it comes to your current and former beliefs. Your didnt question authority figures about god when you were young, you accepted what they had to say. Took you forever to look past those obvious lies, finally dropped the belief, had a fresh mind, had the option to explore this world of knowledge to take what you can from many groups of people and teachings, but no... You went to a specific group of people that told you the answers, you didnt ask anyone else, didnt seek the opinions, didnt do any soul searching what so ever.
I learned from my mistakes. I realized that my beliefs were nonsense. It's not wrong of me to gain new knowledge and lose unreasonable logic. Along with new found knowledge (not saying I'm smart), I lost my relgion. My current beliefs were gained from MY new perspective on life. Knowledge was given to me and I accepted it because I wanted to. I could have easily been like you and ignored it, but I decided to give it a chance. I haven't regretted it yet and I never will.
You just accepted what they said to be the only way reality functions. Went from religion = god exists! to no religion = god cant exist. You didnt even attempt to explore the middle ground, the people spoon feeding you didnt let you, unless you already had it in your mind that these guys know wussup.
I accepted it as the only reality I know exists. I know the world is round so I believe it.. I know we need water to survive so I believe it. I don't know if god created the world, so I don't accept it. I don't know if god exists at all, so I don't accept it. If science discovers some head master that is known as our creator, I will believe in him. For now, knlowedge tells me that he can't be proven.. So why believe in him?
Ah yes, you asked for help. Who did you ask though? Did you ask help from many groups of people to help you get a better grip on understanding the world? Or did you ask one specific group of people with one of the most limited viewpoints on the world? I think you know the answer there.
I asked atheists friends, my religious father, my religious grandmother, religious friends, preachers, people from here, and I did some research online. From all the different choices I could have picked, I chose to follow my own logic and reasoning that is backed up by fact.. Nothing wrong with that.
Where did you get the idea that I oppose science?
The fact that you believe we're gods leads me to believe that you ignore reality. You believe what YOU want to believe.. Science is different. It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, it still exists. I have a feeling that you would say science is wrong just to keep going with your beliefs. I'm sure if I look through enough of your posts, I can find something to back that up.
You bring it up like your a scientists, reality check man, your a child whos mad because he believed in lies for his whole life, your emotions chose your next path to follow more than your reasoning process did.
That's hilarious man.. "your own emotions chose your next path".. Hahaha. Religion provided me with lots of comfort. If I followed emotions to make decisions, I'd be as delusional as you. I'd still be religious since I'd be happy believing that I won't truly die and I could see my family again.
The people on here told you what to research, they told you the "facts", they said science is the only credible form of knowledge and you have FAITH that science is not misguiding you.
Science deals with facts.. Logic helps decide truth from nonsense. There's no faith needed to accept science.. All you need is knowledge.
Im making a religion? LOL wheres my followers? Wheres my book of guidelines? Your a funny guy Hep. And you keep bringing up my beliefs (hate that word) like it holds any credibility to your argument.
You want me to have my own beliefs. You think it's wrong that I followed an organized religion and you think following facts is wrong. I'm letting you know YOU'RE the wrong one. If I didn't accept knowledge from others, I'd be as delusional as you. I bring up your beliefs as an example of what I'm avoiding. I want to be the opposite of you. And why is it so hard to understand that you believe we're gods? It's just a belief.. Not fact.. It has no proof.. No evidence. It is just a belief.. A silly one IMO.
You say you are an agnostic, right? Therefore you know my "belief" is no more ridiculous than someone who believes god is not real.
Agnostics understand that god being real is unkown and cannot be known.. yet. Believing your beliefs are silly is just an opinion.. Just as silly as believing leprechauns ride unicorns in your house when you're sleeping.
Thats agnosticism Hep, something you are not apart of.
Even if I'm not agnostic, what does that have to do with anything?
If god was real (I say "if" so you can be more accepting) do you seriously think we'd stay the same throughout eternity?
What? I doubt us humans would survive all eternity. We're bound to be destroyed sooner or later. I'm sorry but I don't understand your question.
Never changing or evolving or amounting to anything besides sheep that worship the king sheep?
Again, what? We evolve without god. We don't need a magic man to show us how to live and gain knowledge.
Yeah, a "belief" where you continue to learn, experience, and evolve (like we do in real life) is SO ridiculous, what was I thinking? lol Please tell me your idea of god, Im interested.
You learn nothing from beliefs.. Especially when you won't accept that they are purely beliefs. You haven't evolved. You just downgraded. You set aside CTS to come up with your beliefs.
My idea of god? He was my imaginary friend. I loved him.. It turns out he isn't real (as far as I can tell). I can't hate what I don't believe nor can I love what I don't believe. I don't really have a stance on god. Now religion, that's another story. Religion and beliefs like yours suck IMO.
Religion never sounded believable? So you knew that people shouldnt believe such things yet you continued to believe until you were 18? That doesnt sound right at all.
Yeah I was ignorant. I said that th religious mindset is good at setting aside CTS tokeep on believing.
Theres nothing scientific you can tell me that I dont already know and agree with, yes, I agree with the growing child of knowledge which is science. Something that I have a better grasp on than you do, UNLESS you can prove otherwise.
If you like science so much, why do you believe in things that have no proof at all? WHy do you accept it as fact when you KNOW that it's not?
"I dont claim to know the answers"... "Whats wrong with believing in the truth?" <-- yet another epic contradiction from Hep. So no one has the answers yet theres a group of people that tell the truth? Hmm, good one Hep.
Wow.. I don't claim to know the answers to questions that can't be answered.. Use the whole sentence. I do believe the truth.. The world is round.
Science is not right, those who have faith that science is not misguiding them say "science is the closest approximation to the truth", which is not "right", its close to right, if that. All this science talk from you, yet I never seen you type anything that supports your arguments at all, just "The earth is round, I drink water, water is in soup, I LIKE SOUP!", thats seriously all the "science" I am hearing from you.
If I have a mental disorder, I can look towards science to help me. If I have a headahce, I can take a pill that will help me.. Guess what helped create the pill? Science. I follow facts. God isn't a fact, not at all.
YOUR view of science doesnt accept god as fact, your version of science covers its ears and says "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" whenever a new discovery is made that contradicts what has been taught for years.
Really? That's funny.. Show me these contradictions with legitimate proof.. Not just opinions or videos on youtube.
Theres a mountain of new discoveries saying civilization started WAY before 6000 BC. yet the masses still blindly accept that it did start 8 thousand years ago because accepting such discoveries would change our entire view oh history.
LOLOLOLOL Show me this too..
Theres evidence that the ancients had advanced knowledge and a deeper understanding of everything.
Lets save that topic for another time. If we go onto that you won't shut up about them. For now, I'll just say that they were smart.. Obviously not smart enough to survive though.
Russian scientists from the military built pyramids on laylines (lines with the most energy) and those pyramids improved the quality of life in the area. Seeds that sat in the pyramid would grow twice as big and healthy than seeds that werent in the pyramid. Sickness in the area dramatically decreased, diseases disappeared, big storms would somehow avoid the area every single time.
I'm calling bullshit. Prove yourself.
You can use radiation to pass genetic information from one species to another, make a chicken with webbed feet and duck head, make a frog give birth to a salamander just by putting a salamander in front of a weak beam of radiation that points at a pregnant frog. What does Darwin have to say about that shit? He wouldnt oppose it, he himself said theres a missing link in evolution, something just doesnt make sense. And do you seriously think 97% of DNA is absolutely useless? Do you even know what Im talking about when I mention these things? C'mon Hep, man of science, throw some science at, tell me something that I dont already know. Science is absolutely STUMPED on so many things, its silly to be dependent on such limited knowledge, not to discredit it though.
Great, so science hasn't discovered everything. Big surprise (sarcasm). It's still gaining knowledge and giving back to society. What science do you want me to throw at you? Do you want to talk about legitimate things and not gods? Then bring up a topic and I'd be happy to learn from it.
Alright, you say beliefs in god are ignorant because theres no proof, yet when someone says they experienced something that does prove god, their delusional?
Experiences aren't proof.
Well when they come from religious folk then yes, a lot of the time they are delusional. But theres millions upon millions of stories where people claim to of seen a ghost, or even an alien. Your telling me that every single one of those people just got fooled by their own imagination?
Claims aren't proof. Now I will admit that enough claims can make many people raise eyebrows, but I won't accept it as fact. Do aliens and ghosts exist? I don't know.
"People get fooled that balloons are space ships all the time" <-- thats a shit poor excuse and it doesnt explain anything. To say everyone of those millions and millions of people were fooled by there imagination is just pure ignorance, it shows that you have something to hold on to, accepting that just one of those reports to be true would make you rethink what reality is, which we all know you dont like doing that, there has to be others to think for you.
What's bad about rethinking reality? Sounds fun.
Deny what I say all you want, you are a bobble head that nods in agreement instead of finding out things for yourself.
Said the nutjob.
olylifter420
Well-Known Member
one thing pad did not answer was ," so if atheists saying my beliefs are dangerous without even knowing what my beliefs are" is that not bigotry at its finest?I do believe it is and it is rather marxist as well... just sayin
olylifter420
Well-Known Member
also, why do scientists keep coming out with the "new" reason why the earth has water, cause of the asteroids and comets that struck the earth.Ok, i get that, but why was the planet not destroyed in the process and why is there no other planet that has water? also, why does jupiter not contain any water even though it obviously has been struck more by comets and asteroids then earth has?Certain things just do not add up.. say what you want to say, but there is no REAL 100% scientific proof all this happened the way they say it did if it cannot be proven...we do know that there are sarcoplasmic reticulums in our cells because we have SEEN it under a microscope, so it is 100% safe to say we do indeed have SR's in our cells. you get what im saying?also, is it not true that lead evolutionists get millions of dollars on grants to fund their research? also, why do some evolutionist professors drive really expensive cars?Im just wondering around, trying to get a feel for what the rest of you all think
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It's currently believed that Jupiter contains awesome amounts of water. it's overlain however by the bulk of the planet's mass, which is mostly hydrogen and thus not dense, even when very compressed.
As for scientists coming up with "new" ideas for why the Earth has its current amount of water, i suggest the word "reasons" is loaded in that it implies theories of high confidence supplanting others. Afaik the science of planetogenesis is mostly hypothetical at this time and is only slowly, patchily being advanced to theory.
As for the dichotomy between directly and indirectly-observed science, we have fairly sophisticated models for the interiors of the major planets and their larger moons ... and we got these from highly precise gravimetry by satellite. Gravimetry allowed us to map the masses and, more importantly, mass distributions of these bodies. The amount of information a trained planetologist can get from simple but precise data is inspiring imo. cn
mindphuk
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That's what science does, it proposes a hypothesis that explains some observation (the earth has a lot of water), and then attempts to disprove the hypothesis.
That is only one of many current, competing hypotheses.
There is water on Mars and some of the Jovian moons, most likely candidate is Europa. There is water ice in Saturn's rings and Enceladus has volcanos ejecting water tens of miles out into space.
You can't say Jupiter DOESN'T have any water. However, once you learn science and the effects of temperature and pressure, you can figure out for yourself some areas that cannot contain any liquid water, although there certainly could be some layers in Jupiter that have enormous amounts of water vapor.
No one is 100% certain about any of this and AFAIK, no one has claimed we do know with any amount of certainty.
We see something in our cells that we call SRs. We defined an object as something. That's not even close to being similar to presenting a hypothesis and finding enough support to make it a good theory.
What exactly are you claiming here? Why do some liberal arts professors drive expensive cars? Leasing?
Chief Walkin Eagle
Well-Known Member
The same broken record response as usual lol "Blahh blahh blahh fairy tales, blahh blahh blahh I believe the earth is round blah blah blah CTS!". You fail to realize that your belief that god does not exist is just as ridiculous as a belief in god, am I right when I say that? because according to science, both are unknowable, so theism and atheism are equally ridiculous. Adding "as far as I know" to the statement "god does not exist" doesnt make you an agnostic man. Your an atheist with a silly belief that god does not exist.
I guess we can finish this through PM, if thats alright with you of course, I look forward to this "science" that I havent heard of. I can also explain the mountain of evidence that supports my claim and support other claims with credible and well respected men of knowledge... Which makes me think of something... The Logical Song, you remember posting that? lol That guy was pretty much singing about everything you support, hes against those things, yet you probably interpreted it differently, big surprise. But fuck is that ironic, you liking "The Logical Song" lol. Please tell me you see the irony in that. Anywhooo, PM me what you want me to talk about first, I'll be glad to. Dont keep it here and let your superiors do the thinking for you, we both know how you dont like finding out things on your own...