Obama's War On Medical Marijuana Just Got Even Uglier

[UncleBuck]

Buck, what's your take on Holders stance on MMJ?

I remember Obama specifically stating early on in his campaign for president that he would not prosecute dispensaries operating legally within states rights, he's clearly turned a 180 on that stance, and I read recently that his administration is responsible for closing more legal dispensaries than the Bush administration.

Do you feel like Obama is living up to his word he gave during the campaign? It sounds like you're supporting this stuff

the last time i asked someone to produce evidence of a conviction of a state compliant grower, deprave showed me the case of some michigan man, a felon, who got busted for growing 154 plants. i made a hilarious troll thread out of it in the michigan patients section.

an insignificant smattering of state compliant growers and dispensaries have been busted, but where are the convictions? the prosecutions?

and when there are a ton more dispensaries around, there's going to be a half a ton more dispensaries operating outside of state law. just like i'll catch more frogs in a swamp then a desert.

 

[Harrekin]

the last time i asked someone to produce evidence of a conviction of a state compliant grower, deprave showed me the case of some michigan man, a felon, who got busted for growing 154 plants. i made a hilarious troll thread out of it in the michigan patients section.

some state compliant growers and dispensaries have been busted, but where are the convictions? the prosecutions?

and when there are a ton more dispensaries around, there's going to be a half a ton more dispensaries operating outside of state law. just like i'll catch more frogs in a swamp then a desert.

Noone should be busted for pot tho and your mate Barry is keeping it going.

All this for treadmills? Seriously?

 

[UncleBuck]

Noone should be busted for pot tho and your mate Barry is keeping it going.

All this for treadmills? Seriously?

no one should be busted for trying to get married to someone of the same sex either, but guess what?

and actually, i disagree. plenty of people deserve to be busted for growing. there are some dangerous idiots out there along with some people trying to pass off shitty treadmills that are obvious safety hazards. while the vast majority attend to safety and quality standards, there are plenty that do not and give the rest of us a bad name.

 

[Padawanbater2]

the last time i asked someone to produce evidence of a conviction of a state compliant grower, deprave showed me the case of some michigan man, a felon, who got busted for growing 154 plants. i made a hilarious troll thread out of it in the michigan patients section.

an insignificant smattering of state compliant growers and dispensaries have been busted, but where are the convictions? the prosecutions?

and when there are a ton more dispensaries around, there's going to be a half a ton more dispensaries operating outside of state law. just like i'll catch more frogs in a swamp then a desert.

So what do you believe?

Not to impose a false dichotomy, but do you believe Obama is right in arresting people working in dispensaries in legal states like CA (forget about the 100 plant limit) or are you of the opinion until the law gets changed Obama is acting completely within his legal rights as president enforcing legal action against dispensaries in legal states?

Perhaps something else?

 

[Harrekin]

no one should be busted for trying to get married to someone of the same sex either, but guess what?

and actually, i disagree. plenty of people deserve to be busted for growing. there are some dangerous idiots out there along with some people trying to pass off shitty treadmills that are obvious safety hazards. while the vast majority attend to safety and quality standards, there are plenty that do not and give the rest of us a bad name.

In a legal setting, the free market would "weed out" the salesmen of dangerous or substandard treadmills due to competition.

I don't disagree on the gay marriage thing either (well, civil union with exact same effect as marriage but not in a Church, Synagogue, etc...unless the priest/rabbi/etc wants to), but the gays can concentrate on the gay marriage thing, we can concentrate on the pot

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Noone should be busted for pot tho and your mate Barry is keeping it going.

All this for treadmills? Seriously?

With a voice like this, and such conviction, it brings tears to my eyes everytime. The hair, just wouldn't be the same without it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[UncleBuck]

So what do you believe?

Not to impose a false dichotomy, but do you believe Obama is right in arresting people working in dispensaries in legal states like CA (forget about the 100 plant limit) or are you of the opinion until the law gets changed Obama is acting completely within his legal rights as president enforcing legal action against dispensaries in legal states?

Perhaps something else?

so my choice is between obama is right and obama is within his rights? or am i just high and reading poorly?

the history of medical cannabis under obama speaks for itself. this "war" i hear spoken of seems to be more of an "i'm not soft on drugs!" plea to the center right/elder crowd, similar to how obama has deported a record number of illegal immigrants while proposing leniency for those that were brought here through no fault of their own and have acted in compliance with our laws.

until someone shows me an actual conviction of a completely state compliant grower, i'm going to say obama has more or less kept his promise. he never promised carte blanche, just re-prioritization. i feel better repurposing treadmills under an obama rather than a romney administration.

presidents don't really matter much to our movement. we make our progress through voter initiatives. there are legalization measures on the ballot in WA, OR, and CO if i remember correctly. these matter a fuck of a lot more than any figurehead.

 

[ChesusRice]

In a legal setting, the free market would "weed out" the salesmen of dangerous or substandard treadmills due to competition.

I don't disagree on the gay marriage thing either (well, civil union with exact same effect as marriage but not in a Church, Synagogue, etc...unless the priest/rabbi/etc wants to), but the gays can concentrate on the gay marriage thing, we can concentrate on the pot

In a free market? The free market is not the solution to everything

And as far as marriage goes. Those that oppose gay marriage. Oppose gay anything including civil unions

 

[Padawanbater2]

so my choice is between obama is right and obama is within his rights? or am i just high and reading poorly?

I was just wondering if you agreed with Obama's policy regarding the war on drugs (cannabis), because lets be honest, how often do you hear about a meth lab being busted or an opium den being raided?

The war on drugs is a war on marijuana. Do you agree or disagree with his, and his administrations stance, on marijuana?

the history of medical cannabis under obama speaks for itself. this "war" i hear spoken of seems to be more of an "i'm not soft on drugs!" plea to the center right/elder crowd, similar to how obama has deported a record number of illegal immigrants while proposing leniency for those that were brought here through no fault of their own and have acted in compliance with our laws.

Well, regardless of it's objectives, do you think it's right or wrong what Obama and his administration are doing to MMJ patients in legal states?

until someone shows me an actual conviction of a completely state compliant grower, i'm going to say obama has more or less kept his promise. he never promised carte blanche, just re-prioritization. i feel better repurposing treadmills under an obama rather than a romney administration.

OK, that's fair enough I guess. But again, I'm wondering what you feel is right vs. wrong, I'm not asking you if you think what Obama did was right or wrong.

presidents don't really matter much to our movement. we make our progress through voter initiatives. there are legalization measures on the ballot in WA, OR, and CO if i remember correctly. these matter a fuck of a lot more than any figurehead.

Perhaps, but I disagree with you about what a president says doesn't matter. I believe if Obama came out and publicly stated the scientific results of marijuana, that MMJ benefits millions of people who subscribe to state law, public opinion would likely sway towards legalization.

 

[ChesusRice]

Perhaps, but I disagree with you about what a president says doesn't matter. I believe if Obama came out and publicly stated the scientific results of marijuana, that MMJ benefits millions of people who subscribe to state law, public opinion would likely sway towards legalization.

Exactly what the Right wing wants Obama to come out for marijuana
Why not wait until the second term to judge Obama
You already know Mittens aint gonna be pro marijuana or pro gay

 

[UncleBuck]

I was just wondering if you agreed with Obama's policy regarding the war on drugs (cannabis), because lets be honest, how often do you hear about a meth lab being busted or an opium den being raided?

i promise you there are more cannabis grows than meth labs, but i'll show you as many meth lab busts as you want.

The war on drugs is a war on marijuana. Do you agree or disagree with his, and his administrations stance, on marijuana?

the war on drugs involves all "drugs". as far as this administration's policy of prioritizing cannabis low, i would agree with that. make the least harmful drugs the lowest priority.

Well, regardless of it's objectives, do you think it's right or wrong what Obama and his administration are doing to MMJ patients in legal states?

it's wrong, of course. right would be to legalize, tax, and regulate it like any other commodity of its type.

OK, that's fair enough I guess. But again, I'm wondering what you feel is right vs. wrong, I'm not asking you if you think what Obama did was right or wrong.

that's funny, you just asked me the latter. see bolded sections

Perhaps, but I disagree with you about what a president says doesn't matter. I believe if Obama came out and publicly stated the scientific results of marijuana, that MMJ benefits millions of people who subscribe to state law, public opinion would likely sway towards legalization.

lol.

political suicide.

you're a good guy, but you're naive.

we're way too easy of a target. give it a few more decades. until then, we'll use voter initiatives.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

the war on drugs involves all "drugs". as far as this administration's policy of prioritizing cannabis low, i would agree with that. make the least harmful drugs the lowest priority.

Keep HIV out of Africa, but lockdown hypodermic needles better than Fort Knox. That way we can wash African dicks and employ nurses to wash dicks of dying AIDS patients here in the States! Awesome job stimulus program Obama's got there.

 

[ChesusRice]

give it a few more decades. until then, we'll use voter initiatives.

It is going to happen this decade Buck
We have a president that is pragmatic about it

But he isnt going to help legalize pot if he doesnt get a second term

 

[ChesusRice]

Keep HIV out of Africa, but lockdown hypodermic needles better than Fort Knox. That way we can wash African dicks and employ nurses to wash dicks of dying AIDS patients here in the States! Awesome job stimulus program Obama's got there.

Misplaced anger

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Misplaced anger

Really? Obama never opened his mouth once about this topic. Is he really that stupid he doesn't know it exists, or he doesn't give one fuck about stopping the spread of HIV, because he'd get in less rounds of golf?

 

[Rob Roy]

Be honest now

How many people with medical marijuana cards
Actually need Medical marijuana Vs How many people know what to say to get their card from a select group of doctors so they can legally toke up

I need to be left alone. Others do too. Arguing whether there is a "need" for medical marijuana and the accepted ways of acquiring "permission" from the nanny state is really not striking the root of the problem. Got it... Some people use marijuana recreationally and claim it is medical.... big deal.

The idea that any person can't put what they want in their own body is the relevant problem, the rest is just diversionary tactics by people that want to control your life.

Obama, like Romney is a person that thinks he can and should be able to run others lives. Fuck them both.

 

[ChesusRice]

Really? Obama never opened his mouth once about this topic. Is he really that stupid he doesn't know it exists, or he doesn't give one fuck about stopping the spread of HIV, because he'd get in less rounds of golf?

Actions speak louder than words
http://www.thebody.com/index/govt/obama.html

I dare you to go to that page that lists dozens of things the obama administration has done in the past 4 years for aids treatment and prevention

And just remember
Obamacare lets those with pre-existing conditions get insurance

Again i am correct
You have a lot of misplaced anger, and I am wondering why

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Again i am correct
You have a lot of misplaced anger, and I am wondering why

Maybe because I hate a nanny state. Maybe because because needles cost 500 times less than AIDS, not to mention you can't put a price on death. Maybe because the president can open his big mouth for 800 hours embarassing congress, the DEA, Big Pharma and churches, instead,of playing golf and fellating them. Maybe he could do his fucking job and take one good example from Bush who quit golf saying the country was more important. Maybe he could wipe that shit eating grin off his face. I dunno, that might be a good start. But I just have misplaced anger for no good reason. The president might only be a figure head, but he can sure embarass the hell out of those who can do.

 

[ChesusRice]

Maybe because I hate a nanny state. Maybe because because needles cost 500 times less than AIDS, not to mention you can't put a price on death. Maybe because the president can open his big mouth for 800 hours embarassing congress, the DEA, Big Pharma and churches, instead,of playing golf and fellating them. Maybe he could do his fucking job and take one good example from Bush who quit golf saying the country was more important. Maybe he could wipe that shit eating grin off his face. I dunno, that might be a good start. But I just have misplaced anger for no good reason. The president might only be a figure head, but he can sure embarass the hell out of those who can do.

Awesome post
Who fights to implement needle exchange programs and handing out condoms

Yeah yeah I know nanny state right?

And why use Bush as an example
"he quit golf to take care of the country?"

More like he quit being an American when he sent 5000 of are troops to their death fighting a worthless war in Iraq

Turn off the AM radio, stop scapegoating other people

Your success or lack of it is on your own shoulders

 

[ChesusRice]

Maybe because I hate a nanny state. Maybe because because needles cost 500 times less than AIDS, not to mention you can't put a price on death. .

Federal funding for needle-exchange programs -- a controversial concept that public health advocates have long argued prevents the spread of HIV and other diseases -- is about to be prohibited once more, just two years after Congress lifted a 21-year ban.
Congress reinstated the policy as part of a broad spending bill it passed last week to fund the federal government through fiscal year 2012, which ends Sept. 30. During the contentious negotiations that led up to its passage, Democrats successfully removed a number of Republican policy riders and restrictions. But, the exchange ban on syringes and needles backed by Republicans remained in the final deal. House Republican leaders did not respond to requests for comment about the issue.