thanks for the link fab, ill check that out. i need all the help i an get man. i started this cuz i need to make a few extra bucks, i work 6 days a week for next to nothing,( about 275 a week) i have 4 kids, no car, living in a 30 x 25 shed and cant find a good job cuz of my felonies man im live poverty stricken dude i just hope im not in over my head with this hydro thing. its all in a 9 x 4 x 6.5 ft room i built and i was thinking if i do a perpetual sog i can fit around 25 plants in there and come out of this hole im in but its a slow start, i barely had enough money for the 400 watt light i got, and the seeds i scraped up the money to buy arent even feminised so im hoping to atleast be able to upgrade the room and have enough clones to fill it up next go around. id like atleast 2 more 400 watters in there what do you think?