ChesusRice
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Thought crimes?
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ginwilly
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hey Sam, I haven't had the pleasure of engaging with you in these debates but you seem very level headed so I ask a question inspired by your posts.
Should we punish the pedophile for raping a child more severely than someone who rapes that same child to sickly spite an ex-lover? Extrapolating.. why should it punished more severely if that child is a different race? what if the mother ex-lover is the same race does that change the sentencing? why or why not?
kelly4
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desert dude
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Hey, how do I get on that exclusive list as well? I am at least as big an asshole as you.
kelly4
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LOL! Just lucky, I guess...
Samwell Seed Well
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its not just a check list of differences to make your crimes a hate crime, that would be retarded, and kelly is right motive and intent must be based on prejudiced or bigotries
your reasoning for committing the crime has to be based on some self delusion involving prejeduces/idealogy to invalidate a person civil rights, just like bigots do every day
but if for the reasons of bigotry and prejudiced a person rapes a child, then yes they should receive more time for premeditated crime.
being a victim of different race does nto instantly qualify as a hate crime, that would be retarded, your so obtuse
Mr Neutron
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Then how do you determine if it is a hate crime?
cannabineer
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Motive and intent are not interchangeable terms. cn
It's funny you know? It really is, this idea that other people should be made to think a certain way and if they don't think the way we want them to, well then we will wait until they do something bad and THEN we will strike at their bad thoughts and punish them for wrong thinking. All Hail lord Zoth-Omogg!!
Samwell Seed Well
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"your reasoning for committing the crime has to be based on some self delusion involving prejeduces/idealogy to invalidate a person just like bigots"
if i go and just knock you out on the street for no other reason but that i could, its a crime
if i go and knock you out, for no other reason then the rainbow on your shirt, meaning i assume your gay or gay supporter, then its is a ahte crime as well, i choose to let my bigotry make the choice to assault you,
there was a study about people receiving shocks, in one group the person was told that the guy giving them shocks didn't know they were, so they involuntarily being shocked, and the precieved pain would lesson over time, quoted the shockee
in the other side of the study, the shockee was told that the person shocking them was knowingly doing it and willfully and they precieved the pain to be getting worse over time
so even at a unconscious level our brains recognize intent/motive, its science figure it out, out laws and judicial systems, suck, but they represent what we as people know to be right and wrong
so lets here you argue your side,why crimes of prejudiced and ideology should not be punished more severe
if i go and just knock you out on the street for no other reason but that i could, its a crime
if i go and knock you out, for no other reason then the rainbow on your shirt, meaning i assume your gay or gay supporter, then its is a ahte crime as well, i choose to let my bigotry make the choice to assault you,
there was a study about people receiving shocks, in one group the person was told that the guy giving them shocks didn't know they were, so they involuntarily being shocked, and the precieved pain would lesson over time, quoted the shockee
in the other side of the study, the shockee was told that the person shocking them was knowingly doing it and willfully and they precieved the pain to be getting worse over time
so even at a unconscious level our brains recognize intent/motive, its science figure it out, out laws and judicial systems, suck, but they represent what we as people know to be right and wrong
so lets here you argue your side,why crimes of prejudiced and ideology should not be punished more severe
ginwilly
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I am being obtuse but it's purposeful. I'm having trouble grasping why you killing my family because you hate them is worse to me than you killing them because it's Tuesday.
Do you have to declare your hate or does the victims family get to decide? the newspaper? my history teacher?
ginwilly
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because severity of crimes should not be left up to the whims of society, that's how Jim Crowe laws are born.
There was a time when not only wasn't it a crime, but banging little boys in the butt was seen as a status symbol.
Making laws in the spirit of separate but equal may make sense at a given time, but history always, always exposes them for what they are.
Samwell Seed Well
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now your just being silly
Samwell Seed Well
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i think is just we as a society choose to, not forced to, punish people for acts agianst humanity that how i see it
Acts, not thoughts.
Samwell Seed Well
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ya a hate crime is not a thought it is an action, so ya thought policing is wrong, committing crimes based on prejudice is wrong and you will be punished accordingly
what negative does the acknowledgement of a hate crime have?
ginwilly
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agreed, and admittedly i'm stating opinion just as you are so neither of us will ever get to be "right" on this subject.
To explain it a different way. I feel instances like the Colorado shooting is a crime against humanity. I do not feel it would be worse or better if he drove to Compton to commit this heinous act because he hated black people. I'm disappointed you feel it would be worse. I'm disappointed ANYONE would feel it's worse. Justice should be blind, not race dependent. It only fosters more racism.
Again, that's just an opinion, I feel that laws based on racial discrimination promote racial division. I have history to back up my claims.
I'm not saying there is no such thing as hate crimes because by the definition we've given, there is. If I thought making laws based on race/religion/sexual orientation etc would stamp out bigotry I would be all for them. But I feel they do the opposite.
Samwell Seed Well
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its not worse, is wrong
thats the point we choose to acknowledged that "he drove to inglewood" only because they were black, and that's the rub
if you wouldn't commit the crime, unless this "reason" then your crime charges go up, it is fairly basic
especially if that reason, is a delusional fantasy you create in your head where its ok for you to do it to this person but not that person based on ideology
thats the point we choose to acknowledged that "he drove to inglewood" only because they were black, and that's the rub
if you wouldn't commit the crime, unless this "reason" then your crime charges go up, it is fairly basic
especially if that reason, is a delusional fantasy you create in your head where its ok for you to do it to this person but not that person based on ideology
ginwilly
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but Sam, again, you are picking the reasons and deciding what weight to give them. This is a really bad idea in a justice system that is supposed to be blind. If you drove to my house to kill me because we disagree on an internet forum it's not better than if you drove here because of my ethnicity and is not worse than you driving here because it's Tuesday.
Samwell Seed Well
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no, im siting reasons, its up to a court to prove malicious intent
thats right the court has to prove that a hate crime was commited, its not a guarantee, innocent till proven guilty for sure, they have to prove it,
thats right the court has to prove that a hate crime was commited, its not a guarantee, innocent till proven guilty for sure, they have to prove it,