911 conspiracy theory

stickyicky0420

stickyicky0420

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guy incognito said:
So you believe the ear witness accounts of people that were caught in what is no doubt the most traumatic event of their life(and were probably good financial planners and bankers - but how many were demo experts)? But you don't trust the literal mountain of evidence that quite logically explains the entire series of events?

The rest of your comment leads me to believe you don't have the faintest clue of what actually happened inside the building. Someone told you they were made to withstand a plane, and you saw it collapse after a plane hit it. No need to investigate the situation further, must be an inside job. Good work columbo.
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thank you i couldnt have worded it any better :)
 
Jimmyjonestoo

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No our government would never do anything dishonest or put its people in harm's way for their own benefit. Not our government. Hahaha. Come on people.
 
stickyicky0420

stickyicky0420

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no one ever said that dumb ass i dont like our dirty goverment but that dosent mean i need to belive something that dosent make sense and if there are facts to the contrary like in 9/11 then wtf. just tell me one thing with out saying "disinformation tactics" if it were a missle that hit the pentagon where did the plane go and where did all of the people go that hit the pentagon? did bigfoot abduct them? and whats the point of flying a plane into a building if your going to blow it up anyways? couldnt they have blown it up and say terrist planted bombs? sounds a little crazy to me and when thoughs passengers over powerd that terrist and crashed the plane into the field? did the cia set off a bomb there to rofl?
 
stickyicky0420

stickyicky0420

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i listen to facts not opinions of conspiracy therist someone once told me obama was the anti christ let me gusse you belive that too? dude sometimes a rose is just a rose just like in the colorodo shootings THERE ARE conspiracys about everything man that dosent mean you should blindly listen to them before you listen to real facts douch bag.
 
doc111

doc111

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Jimmyjonestoo said:
No our government would never do anything dishonest or put its people in harm's way for their own benefit. Not our government. Hahaha. Come on people.
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lol!

Show me a government, ANY government that hasn't done something "dishonest"! Does that mean that ANYTHING bad that ever happens was perpetrated by our government? I suppose in some people's minds it does.:roll:
 
Jimmyjonestoo

Jimmyjonestoo

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stickyicky0420 said:
no one ever said that dumb ass i dont like our dirty goverment but that dosent mean i need to belive something that dosent make sense and if there are facts to the contrary like in 9/11 then wtf. just tell me one thing with out saying "disinformation tactics" if it were a missle that hit the pentagon where did the plane go and where did all of the people go that hit the pentagon? did bigfoot abduct them? and whats the point of flying a plane into a building if your going to blow it up anyways? couldnt they have blown it up and say terrist planted bombs? sounds a little crazy to me and when thoughs passengers over powerd that terrist and crashed the plane into the field? did the cia set off a bomb there to rofl?
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Didn't get past dumb ass. I don't argue with people that resort to name calling because someone has a different opinion than them. I consider that ignorance. Thanks have a nice day.
 
RC7

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"This is America, the most advanced military technologically capable country in the world, and it is just impossible to believe that they could have been that incompetent." - Michael Meacher, UK MP.

The 9/11 USAF Stand Down
The US military has spent billions of dollars developing stealth aircraft which are invisible to radar so they can mount surprise attacks on adversaries, but it seems they should have saved their money and bought a fleet of airliners because they appear to be far more effective.On 9/11 the world's only military superpower was apparently oblivious to the location of rogue airliners in it's airspace for over an hour, and military commanders were left perplexed on how to deal with the situation of hijackers using these planes as flying bombs.
This confusion resulted in fighter jets flying around aimlessly whilst the hierarchy fully assessed what was going on, and this total lack of cohesion ultimately led to the loss of nearly 3000 lives.All that was required to overcome America's military might on 9/11 were 19 hijackers on 4 airliners.
Does this sound plausible to you?
It's what you're expected to believe.
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NORAD was unusually prepared on 9/11, because it was conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian. On 9/11, North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab." [Aviation Week]
COLONEL ROBERT MARR, US AIR FORCE: We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board. [...] We had 14 aircraft on alert, seven sites, two aircraft at each site. [ABC News]
That's a ratio of 3.5 'hot' fighter jets per hijacked airliner.
The map below details the 9/11 planes' flightpaths and some of the military bases in those areas. The flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country.
The above map shows that all of the hijacked planes transponders were turned off during their flights. This does not hide the plane as it can still be tracked by skin paint, but it hides the plane's altitude and it should immediately call attention to the aircraft.
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The USAF response against Flight 11None​
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The USAF response against Flight 175
8:45 a.m. - United Airlines Flight 175 is taken over by five hijackers who use knives, Mace and the threat of a bomb. Both pilots are killed and the plane is diverted southward to New York City.8:53 a.m. - Unaware that their intended target has already crashed into the World Trade Center, the F-15s from Otis Air Force Base are sent to military-controlled airspace off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern until between 9:09 and 9:13 a.m. [National Geographic]
Flight 11 had crashed into World Trade Center 1, and Flight 175 was hijacked and heading toward New York.
Fighter jets were ordered to stay in a holding pattern off Long Island.
Why weren't they ordered to protect New York?
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The USAF response against Flight 93 None?​
The last moments of Flight 93 were viewed from another aircraft...​
"Executive 956: OK, I think we got him in sight." [Memory Hole]
...so it stands to reason that other planes reported seeing Flight 93 during its flight, therefore the military could have easily located the plane. That being said, why didn't the FAA and military locate of all of the hijacked aircraft through planes which were known to be in their vicinities?
Maybe they did, but we might never know...
At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today.

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, but it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. quality-assurance manager, who crushed the cassette in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department. [New York Times 5/6/04]​
"Be careful what we say on the loop, because these are being recorded and these tapes will be handed over."
 See also: Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job
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The USAF response against Flight 77
The US military knew Flight 77 had been hijacked at approximately 08:50: During the hour or so that American Airlines Flight 77 was under the control of hijackers, up to the moment it struck the west side of the Pentagon, military officials in a command center on the east side of the building were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do. [New York Times]
A "mystery plane" had a birds eye view of the Pentagon...
"About ten minutes ago there was a white jet circling overhead. Now, you generally don't see planes in the area over the White House. That is restricted airspace." ... "[C]omparison of the CNN video and an official Air Force photo suggests the mystery plane is among the military's most sensitive aircraft, an Air Force E-4B. ... There are many commercial versions of the 747, obviously, that look similar, but I don't think any of them that have the communications pod like the E-4, the Air Force E-4 does behind the cockpit." [CNN]
Flight 77's approach into Washington was tracked on radar:
Eight minutes before the crash, at 9:30 a.m. EDT, radar tracked the plane as it closed to within 30 miles of Washington. [CBS News]
"There was an unidentified plane to the south of Dulles moving at a very high rate of speed" ... Traveling at 750 km/h the plane is headed straight for the protected airspace covering the capital and the White House... WMV video download (878kB)
This map shows Andrews AFB is roughly 11 miles from the Pentagon:
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This page from the Andrews AFB web site (removed 9/12) shows the base had F-16 fighter jets which could have intercepted Flight 77. Instead, F-16s were scrambled from Langley AFB which is 120 miles south of the Pentagon at 9:30 a.m.

A typical F-16. ​
At first, the planes were directed toward New York at top speed, and probably reached 600 m.p.h. within two minutes, General Haugen said [obviously they were on a go-slow]. Then, flying in formation, they were vectored toward the west and given a new flight target: Reagan National Airport. [New York Times]Why didn't the E-4B order the fighters to defend Washington?
Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. [CBS News]
At 09:38 the Pentagon was hit:
"We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom," said Tom Seibert, 33, a network engineer at the Pentagon. "We were sitting there and watching this thing from New York, and I said, you know, the next best target would be us. And five minutes later, boom." [Guardian]
The plane was flown with incredible precision by a pilot who could barely fly a Cessna, and it hit the newly renovated Pentagon wedge.
​
Question: How was a plane which was known to be hostile able to have an unimpeded 48 minute joyride around US airspace before slamming into the heart of the US military? Answer: Stand down.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911stand.html

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT /THREAD

 
RC7

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It clearly does and i will continue to post it every time one of you morons wants to spew more bullshit.
 
fruityweed

fruityweed

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RC7 said:
"This is America, the most advanced military technologically capable country in the world, and it is just impossible to believe that they could have been that incompetent." - Michael Meacher, UK MP.
The 9/11 USAF Stand Down
The US military has spent billions of dollars developing stealth aircraft which are invisible to radar so they can mount surprise attacks on adversaries, but it seems they should have saved their money and bought a fleet of airliners because they appear to be far more effective.On 9/11 the world's only military superpower was apparently oblivious to the location of rogue airliners in it's airspace for over an hour, and military commanders were left perplexed on how to deal with the situation of hijackers using these planes as flying bombs.
This confusion resulted in fighter jets flying around aimlessly whilst the hierarchy fully assessed what was going on, and this total lack of cohesion ultimately led to the loss of nearly 3000 lives.All that was required to overcome America's military might on 9/11 were 19 hijackers on 4 airliners.
Does this sound plausible to you?
It's what you're expected to believe.
[HR][/HR]
NORAD was unusually prepared on 9/11, because it was conducting a week-long semiannual exercise called Vigilant Guardian. On 9/11, North American Aerospace Defense Command's (Norad) Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab." [Aviation Week]
COLONEL ROBERT MARR, US AIR FORCE: We had the fighters with a little more gas on board. A few more weapons on board. [...] We had 14 aircraft on alert, seven sites, two aircraft at each site. [ABC News]
That's a ratio of 3.5 'hot' fighter jets per hijacked airliner.
The map below details the 9/11 planes' flightpaths and some of the military bases in those areas. The flights went through some of the most heavily militarized parts of the country.
The above map shows that all of the hijacked planes transponders were turned off during their flights. This does not hide the plane as it can still be tracked by skin paint, but it hides the plane's altitude and it should immediately call attention to the aircraft.
[HR][/HR]
The USAF response against Flight 11None​
[HR][/HR]
The USAF response against Flight 175
8:45 a.m. - United Airlines Flight 175 is taken over by five hijackers who use knives, Mace and the threat of a bomb. Both pilots are killed and the plane is diverted southward to New York City.8:53 a.m. - Unaware that their intended target has already crashed into the World Trade Center, the F-15s from Otis Air Force Base are sent to military-controlled airspace off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern until between 9:09 and 9:13 a.m. [National Geographic]
Flight 11 had crashed into World Trade Center 1, and Flight 175 was hijacked and heading toward New York.
Fighter jets were ordered to stay in a holding pattern off Long Island.
Why weren't they ordered to protect New York?
​
[HR][/HR]
The USAF response against Flight 93 None?​
The last moments of Flight 93 were viewed from another aircraft...​
"Executive 956: OK, I think we got him in sight." [Memory Hole]
...so it stands to reason that other planes reported seeing Flight 93 during its flight, therefore the military could have easily located the plane. That being said, why didn't the FAA and military locate of all of the hijacked aircraft through planes which were known to be in their vicinities?
Maybe they did, but we might never know...
At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today.

The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, but it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. quality-assurance manager, who crushed the cassette in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department. [New York Times 5/6/04]​
"Be careful what we say on the loop, because these are being recorded and these tapes will be handed over."
 See also: Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job
[HR][/HR]
The USAF response against Flight 77
The US military knew Flight 77 had been hijacked at approximately 08:50: During the hour or so that American Airlines Flight 77 was under the control of hijackers, up to the moment it struck the west side of the Pentagon, military officials in a command center on the east side of the building were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do. [New York Times]
A "mystery plane" had a birds eye view of the Pentagon...
"About ten minutes ago there was a white jet circling overhead. Now, you generally don't see planes in the area over the White House. That is restricted airspace." ... "[C]omparison of the CNN video and an official Air Force photo suggests the mystery plane is among the military's most sensitive aircraft, an Air Force E-4B. ... There are many commercial versions of the 747, obviously, that look similar, but I don't think any of them that have the communications pod like the E-4, the Air Force E-4 does behind the cockpit." [CNN]
Flight 77's approach into Washington was tracked on radar:
Eight minutes before the crash, at 9:30 a.m. EDT, radar tracked the plane as it closed to within 30 miles of Washington. [CBS News]
"There was an unidentified plane to the south of Dulles moving at a very high rate of speed" ... Traveling at 750 km/h the plane is headed straight for the protected airspace covering the capital and the White House... WMV video download (878kB)
This map shows Andrews AFB is roughly 11 miles from the Pentagon:
​
This page from the Andrews AFB web site (removed 9/12) shows the base had F-16 fighter jets which could have intercepted Flight 77. Instead, F-16s were scrambled from Langley AFB which is 120 miles south of the Pentagon at 9:30 a.m.

A typical F-16. ​
At first, the planes were directed toward New York at top speed, and probably reached 600 m.p.h. within two minutes, General Haugen said [obviously they were on a go-slow]. Then, flying in formation, they were vectored toward the west and given a new flight target: Reagan National Airport. [New York Times]Why didn't the E-4B order the fighters to defend Washington?
Radar shows Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. [CBS News]
At 09:38 the Pentagon was hit:
"We heard what sounded like a missile, then we heard a loud boom," said Tom Seibert, 33, a network engineer at the Pentagon. "We were sitting there and watching this thing from New York, and I said, you know, the next best target would be us. And five minutes later, boom." [Guardian]
The plane was flown with incredible precision by a pilot who could barely fly a Cessna, and it hit the newly renovated Pentagon wedge.
​
Question: How was a plane which was known to be hostile able to have an unimpeded 48 minute joyride around US airspace before slamming into the heart of the US military? Answer: Stand down.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911stand.html

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT /THREAD
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Absolute proof.
 
stickyicky0420

stickyicky0420

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Jimmyjonestoo said:
Didn't get past dumb ass. I don't argue with people that resort to name calling because someone has a different opinion than them. I consider that ignorance. Thanks have a nice day.[/QUOTE/] i dont care rofl im not here to make frinds you dont wanna see the truth thats why you couldnt get past the word dumb ass. i am ignorant i fuckin love it dude
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doc111

doc111

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RC7 said:
It clearly does and i will continue to post it every time one of you morons wants to spew more bullshit.
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Perhaps in yours and some other people's minds, but it doesn't settle it for some of us. Sorry, but unless you can directly link any of that stuff you posted to the government, or someone acting on behalf of the government, or find SOMEONE who can show us actual PROOF, not speculation, or "weird coincidences" then this is just more noise and proves nothing.:neutral:

I'm not sure why you feel it necessary to insult someone who hasn't insulted you in any way. Feel better?:clap:
 
stickyicky0420

stickyicky0420

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our fighter jets were training and were verry far away if our guys never trained we would never know how to fly jets its called a suprise attack that means for dumb people like you that the enmey suprised us when they attack and when we did get word there wasnt enough time to react rofl sometimes a rose is just a rose dude
 
Jimmyjonestoo

Jimmyjonestoo

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stickyicky0420 said:
Jimmyjonestoo said:
Didn't get past dumb ass. I don't argue with people that resort to name calling because someone has a different opinion than them. I consider that ignorance. Thanks have a nice day.[/QUOTE/] i dont care rofl im not here to make frinds you dont wanna see the truth thats why you couldnt get past the word dumb ass. i am ignorant i fuckin love it dude
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I can see truth but I don't see you speaking any.
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blazinkill504

blazinkill504

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RC7 said:
It clearly does and i will continue to post it every time one of you morons wants to spew more bullshit.
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once again if you were a fighter pilot would you have wanted to blow up an plane full of innocent ppl over a city causin burnin wreckage to drop all over new york instead of two buildins?
 
Kaendar

Kaendar

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stickyicky0420 said:
no one ever said that dumb ass i dont like our dirty goverment but that dosent mean i need to belive something that dosent make sense and if there are facts to the contrary like in 9/11 then wtf. just tell me one thing with out saying "disinformation tactics" if it were a missle that hit the pentagon where did the plane go and where did all of the people go that hit the pentagon? did bigfoot abduct them? and whats the point of flying a plane into a building if your going to blow it up anyways? couldnt they have blown it up and say terrist planted bombs? sounds a little crazy to me and when thoughs passengers over powerd that terrist and crashed the plane into the field? did the cia set off a bomb there to rofl?
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Ive often wondered about the missing passengers from that day. They were obviously shunned into silence, the only effective way I could think of would be death. Idk, thats a mystery that is way too deep and way beyond a civilian to figure out.
 
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