Trichomes & Harvesting

HapaHaole

HapaHaole

Well-Known Member
panhead said:
One bit of additional info,you mentioned being at 60 days flower,when did you start the day count ?

If you started counting as soon as you went 12/12 then you skipped a step,all strains have a transition period where the plants metabolism switches gears from veg to bud phase,this is also when the plants will stretch out,you shouldnt start a day count until the plants fully transition from veg to bud.

Keep in mind most strains have a different length of transition,some as fast as 5-7 days & others as long as 14-18 days,most indica dominant strains are around 7 days & the more sativa in the strain the longer the transition period.

Transition from veg to bud is complete once most of the stretching out of the plant is finished & when the plant starts putting out new pistils.
I dont start a day count till see new pistils comming out of most bud sights.

If you started counting as soon as day 1 of 12/12 then you still have atleast 7 days.
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TY panhead~

In all my reading I have never come across this and this is very important to a new grower such as myself, so thank you so very much! (makes sense to me now that I think about it tho.)
 
CatatonicChronic

CatatonicChronic

Member
So how about this for a thought, not trying to hyjack a thread or anything but was very much enjoying this one. My thought I think will turn into a conversation so don't take offense. I have grown for a few years now. I have been only growing bag seed for I've saved a lot of seeds and stems throughout my youth up till now for some reason or another(also I've saved most of my beer bottle caps and the figure 8 on cans, don't know what they're called), and have them seperated in good sacks in which they were rare finds in $45-$65 eighths, then I had a good sack from mostly swag, reggies, mexican weed, etc., that I noticed was nice and different with good highs, and then all the rest in a big bag of all mexican weed bag seed. Throughout growing these I've had some killer success and have gotten quite a few different kinda plants that were just awesome. No matter what, what I've produced is definately incredibly better than any thing from Mexico. I just recently harvested one of my ladies that grew really skinny jagged leaves, it grew tall and thin, not bushy at all and had the most mesmorizing smell. I wish I would of cloned her but I seem to suck at cloning. So before I cut her down I would look at the trichs and I would see almost all clear and some that were kinda cloudy but not like milky. Then almost in no time she went from clear to pinks and ambers, there was no crazy amounts stress or anything, but it seemed to skip the cloudy faze and turned different hues of pinkish amber to dark amber. The trichs are still like 50% clearish and kinda cloudy, about 15% pinkish and the rest amber. My topic is that trichomes of different strains look different, and probably are meant to be picked at different times. For instance, are sativas supposed to be harvested with more clear/cloudy cause I've heard that amber can ruin a good heady high, or is it a compliment? Also are Indicas supposed to be harvested late to produce zombie weed, I've heard that naturally they produce more cannabinoids than Sativas. What exactly is ripe bud, does it differ per strain? If you want a pain killing smoke or a "high" smoke. Also I've heard and noticed that either you feel that thc is the pure and the only sought after thing in mary, and your understanding of the transition of cloudy trichs to amber is degradation of thc. While the others make the case that there are cannabinoids in mary and it needs to equal parts for peak high, or mostly one way or the other and they mostly view amber trichs as the aging of thc, not degradation. What do you all think is the best combo of trichs are and what are the best other indicators other than trichs to determine bud ripeness? Personally I think the swell and the nutrition leaving the plant, when the fan leaves are all yellow and burnt your bud is getting there if not done. I find after you think your plant looks pretty bad, try to get another 2 or 3 waterings in with unfiltered honey or molases or both, this gives the plant a bit of energy and b vitamins to get its give just a bit more work to those buds. I then take the plants out after its last watering day's night cycle and put it in a seperate dark room for 2 days with no light. I've tried drowning her right after this dark period and I've also tried scouring hot water for the roots as a shock treatment, I haven't noticed if it helped either way with nothing to compare it to. Also, the white hairs or the plant, you have to watch and make sure you really see whats going on. The buds stretch and grow new pistols in different parts of the floweing stage. They will grow all these new white pistols after a stretch and you may not think the buds are ready because of this but they may have been ready before the stretch and now you will let the trichs go to amber because you are only watching the hairs. Okay your thoughts???
 
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Lucius Vorenus

Well-Known Member
CatatonicChronic said:
So how about this for a thought, not trying to hyjack a thread or anything but was very much enjoying this one. My thought I think will turn into a conversation so don't take offense. I have grown for a few years now. I have been only growing bag seed for I've saved a lot of seeds and stems throughout my youth up till now for some reason or another(also I've saved most of my beer bottle caps and the figure 8 on cans, don't know what they're called), and have them seperated in good sacks in which they were rare finds in $45-$65 eighths, then I had a good sack from mostly swag, reggies, mexican weed, etc., that I noticed was nice and different with good highs, and then all the rest in a big bag of all mexican weed bag seed. Throughout growing these I've had some killer success and have gotten quite a few different kinda plants that were just awesome. No matter what, what I've produced is definately incredibly better than any thing from Mexico. I just recently harvested one of my ladies that grew really skinny jagged leaves, it grew tall and thin, not bushy at all and had the most mesmorizing smell. I wish I would of cloned her but I seem to suck at cloning. So before I cut her down I would look at the trichs and I would see almost all clear and some that were kinda cloudy but not like milky. Then almost in no time she went from clear to pinks and ambers, there was no crazy amounts stress or anything, but it seemed to skip the cloudy faze and turned different hues of pinkish amber to dark amber. The trichs are still like 50% clearish and kinda cloudy, about 15% pinkish and the rest amber. My topic is that trichomes of different strains look different, and probably are meant to be picked at different times. For instance, are sativas supposed to be harvested with more clear/cloudy cause I've heard that amber can ruin a good heady high, or is it a compliment? Also are Indicas supposed to be harvested late to produce zombie weed, I've heard that naturally they produce more cannabinoids than Sativas. What exactly is ripe bud, does it differ per strain? If you want a pain killing smoke or a "high" smoke. Also I've heard and noticed that either you feel that thc is the pure and the only sought after thing in mary, and your understanding of the transition of cloudy trichs to amber is degradation of thc. While the others make the case that there are cannabinoids in mary and it needs to equal parts for peak high, or mostly one way or the other and they mostly view amber trichs as the aging of thc, not degradation. What do you all think is the best combo of trichs are and what are the best other indicators other than trichs to determine bud ripeness? Personally I think the swell and the nutrition leaving the plant, when the fan leaves are all yellow and burnt your bud is getting there if not done. I find after you think your plant looks pretty bad, try to get another 2 or 3 waterings in with unfiltered honey or molases or both, this gives the plant a bit of energy and b vitamins to get its give just a bit more work to those buds. I then take the plants out after its last watering day's night cycle and put it in a seperate dark room for 2 days with no light. I've tried drowning her right after this dark period and I've also tried scouring hot water for the roots as a shock treatment, I haven't noticed if it helped either way with nothing to compare it to. Also, the white hairs or the plant, you have to watch and make sure you really see whats going on. The buds stretch and grow new pistols in different parts of the floweing stage. They will grow all these new white pistols after a stretch and you may not think the buds are ready because of this but they may have been ready before the stretch and now you will let the trichs go to amber because you are only watching the hairs. Okay your thoughts???
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How about this for a thought.


PARAGRAPHS
 
hippy132

hippy132

Well-Known Member
HapaHaole said:
A source would be excellent! It was the first time for me hearing it too.

roflmao @ "PARAGRAPHS"
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I heard it also and it makes more sense to start counting when they show their sex, 7 -10 days after light switch... IMHO, based on strain info
 
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Mithrandir420

Well-Known Member
hippy132 said:
I heard it also and it makes more sense to start counting when they show their sex, 7 -10 days after light switch... IMHO, based on strain info
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Actually, it doesn't matter once you know your plants. If I know that my plants have a 7 day transition, and a 60 day flower and I am running the same plant every time, then I can count from 12/12 flip and know it will take 67 days.

Either way, with any new strain or variety you are running you should check trichs AND do user testing to determine your plants peak harvest window. Once you have determined that it doesn't really matter where you count from. In fact the only time it really matters if you are trying to go off of the breeders info and it's the first time you are running a strain.
 
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LizRoll

Member
Hey everybody - This is my first grow and I think my plants are just about ready, but I'd like some feedback on whether they need more time.
This is from an AutoFem Northern Lights and I'm two days shy of 9 weeks flowering (assuming I started counting at the right time - and I've read so much info since then I don't remember what indicator I used haha).
I hope these images will do. Thanks in advance :-P

Two buds from top:
Plant Top 2.jpgPlant Top.jpg
Bud from base
Plant Base.jpg
 
k0ijn

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
LizRoll said:
Hey everybody - This is my first grow and I think my plants are just about ready, but I'd like some feedback on whether they need more time.
This is from an AutoFem Northern Lights and I'm two days shy of 9 weeks flowering (assuming I started counting at the right time - and I've read so much info since then I don't remember what indicator I used haha).
I hope these images will do. Thanks in advance :-P

Two buds from top:
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Bud from base
View attachment 2282738
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Ello,

The images are not high enough resolution to get a good look really but of what I did see were some clear and some cloudy trichomes.
It's hard to give you a proper judgement, if you could get a microscope you would have a much better sense of the trichomes appearance.

My guess would be about 10 days left.
 
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LizRoll

Member
k0ijn said:
Ello,

The images are not high enough resolution to get a good look really but of what I did see were some clear and some cloudy trichomes.
It's hard to give you a proper judgement, if you could get a microscope you would have a much better sense of the trichomes appearance.
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I have a 40x loupe - I used that plus the digital macro setting on my camera to get the pics. The magnification when looking through the loupe is better, but my camera removes some of the magnification I guess. Thanks for the reply - appreciate it!
 
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East Coast Pro

Active Member
How long does it take to see changes in the trics? When you go from clear to cloudy, how long does it normally take to go from cloudy to starting of amber? Trying to get a idea of the time so I'll know when to start flushing..
 
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Ellewood

Member
I would suggest reading this thread from the beginning. I'm a newbie, but from what I've read, how quickly the trics change depends on the strain and the growing conditions. Also, as mentioned around page 3-4 in this thread, flushing isn't necessary.
 
k0ijn

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
LizRoll said:
I have a 40x loupe - I used that plus the digital macro setting on my camera to get the pics. The magnification when looking through the loupe is better, but my camera removes some of the magnification I guess. Thanks for the reply - appreciate it!
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But you must've had low resolution settings on the camera?
I can see that you uploaded the images in ~219 x ~295 which is quite low resolution.

I'd suggest you set a resolution of at least 1MP (1280 x 960) or if possible 2 or 3MP (it'll improve zoom quality a lot and make the image a lot clearer).
I use 4-5MP when I take macro shots of my plants, and it's actually possible to just use a camera and zoom in on the pictures of the trichomes to see their 'state' because a 4-5MP image is of so high resolution and so clear on a computer you won't even need a loupe.
A loupe saves time though but doesn't allow you to share images as easily.
 
k0ijn

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
Ellewood said:
I would suggest reading this thread from the beginning. I'm a newbie, but from what I've read, how quickly the trics change depends on the strain and the growing conditions. Also, as mentioned around page 3-4 in this thread, flushing isn't necessary.
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Well done, you pick up the information very quickly :weed:
Ellewoods post has perfect answers to your questions East Coast.
 
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Brandawg92

Active Member
I have a microscope that zooms between 60 and 100x. I used to go by this but now im relying one the best method... pick smoke, decide if you got blasted or not. The reason is my chemdawg #4 is 31 days and covered in cloudy trichs. Didn't get me high. And seriously for every 30 cloud's there's about one amber and 2 clears. So I suggest sampling to know if its stoney yet or not
 
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