the History Channel "drugs Inc."

[canndo]

I think that jus made you a racist

Here come the racist remarks. I am not a racist, I am a realist. Now what in my post has you believe I am a racist?

 

[canndo]

Because a lot of people with guns think that the right to keep their guns is worth losing their life over. You're the one who stated that some of us think our rights are worth losing our lives for.
How can you pick and choose what rights you think people are willing to die for?

It is clear that you aren't getting the point at all Kelly.

If no one ever directly confronts you over your weapon then no one is going to have the opportunity to give or lose their lives.

I said that gun owners (those who's guns can be tracked) will voluntarily surrender their weapons, this has nothing to do with giving up one's life. They will do it in order to perserve their WAY of life.

 

[kelly4]

It is clear that you aren't getting the point at all Kelly.

If no one ever directly confronts you over your weapon then no one is going to have the opportunity to give or lose their lives.

I said that gun owners (those who's guns can be tracked) will voluntarily surrender their weapons, this has nothing to do with giving up one's life. They will do it in order to perserve their WAY of life.

So, what happens to the people who don't turn their guns in? Will they directly confront you then?
Or do you think that there will be complete 100% compliance?
I don't think so...

 

[canndo]

So, what happens to the people who don't turn their guns in? Will they directly confront you then?
Or do you think that there will be complete 100% compliance?
I don't think so...

What happens to those who dont turn in their guns? their paychecks will be garnished, their homes leined, their bank accounts levied, their professional licenses suspended, their driver's licenses suspended and their freedom to fly curtailed. All the government has to do is pass a series of laws and then send you a letter stating that each day you fail to comply will cost you $5 in fines, and the fines will acrue interest.

No one will come to your house and demand anything at all, you will be forced to make decsions, your guns or your normal life. As I said, the gun toters have this John Wayne romantic notion of legions of jack boots marching door to door and that will never happen because it cost too much and is not the way things are really done.
No, there will never be complete compliance. so what?

 

[ChesusRice]

As for searching the vehicle, keep all unmentionables in a zipped backpack or bag. When they "inventory" your vehicle in the process of towing, they can't go into those closed bags. They can only note them, any identifying characteristics, and weigh them. They can't go into them without a warrant.

This little tidbit saved my ass one time. They found my smoke, smoking paraphenalia, and a loaded concealed firearm. ALL of which was dismissed as evidence due to an illegal search

And the evidence will be thrown out in court as inadmissable if they do go in those bags
yet
The poison fruit they find in those bags can be probable cause to get a warrant to search your house and even though the warrant was predicated on poisoin fruit
Any evidence of crime they find at the house can be used against you

What saved my ass one time was when the cop asked me if this was my jacket at a raid. My lawyer asked the cop if he knew who ever owned the jacket was in posession of drugs the cop said yes
Since i was not under arrest, or informed I was under arrest nor considered in custody
The cop violated my rights by not informing me that I was in custody
Anything found in the jacket could not be used

Yet what was found in the jacket was used as the basis for a search warrant of my residence

Which was awesome
Because they went to my old address where I hadnt lived for 2 years

 

[Rob Roy]

What happens to those who dont turn in their guns? their paychecks will be garnished, their homes leined, their bank accounts levied, their professional licenses suspended, their driver's licenses suspended and their freedom to fly curtailed. All the government has to do is pass a series of laws and then send you a letter stating that each day you fail to comply will cost you $5 in fines, and the fines will acrue interest.

No one will come to your house and demand anything at all, you will be forced to make decsions, your guns or your normal life. As I said, the gun toters have this John Wayne romantic notion of legions of jack boots marching door to door and that will never happen because it cost too much and is not the way things are really done.
No, there will never be complete compliance. so what?

What happens if you don't pay the fines ?


Let's see .... What will we do ? (Anslinger,Dupont, William Hearst etc., scratch their pathetic noggins ) Hey I know WE'LL PASS A LAW and we'll make marijuana and hemp go away. How'd that work out for them ? Statutory laws that violate / conflict with natural law usually don't get followed and carry unintended consquences.

Laws that protect freedom = good Laws that restrict freedom = bad People that respect others and their right to be free = good... etc.

 

[canndo]

What happens if you don't pay the fines ?


Let's see .... What will we do ? (Anslinger,Dupont, William Hearst etc., scratch their pathetic noggins ) Hey I know WE'LL PASS A LAW and we'll make marijuana and hemp go away. How'd that work out for them ? Statutory laws that violate / conflict with natural law usually don't get followed and carry unintended consquences.

Laws that protect freedom = good Laws that restrict freedom = bad People that respect others and their right to be free = good... etc.

What happens when they don't pay the fines? what happens when you don't pay your child support? as I said, your wages are taken, your bank account taken, your house is taken, your licenses suspended etc. I have already told you this.

Marijuana has nothing to do with the confiscation of firearms.

 

[ChesusRice]

What happens when they don't pay the fines? what happens when you don't pay your child support? as I said, your wages are taken, your bank account taken, your house is taken, your licenses suspended etc. I have already told you this.

Marijuana has nothing to do with the confiscation of firearms.

Tell that to anyone that grows and has firearms in a prohibeted state

 

[DelSlow]

What happens when they don't pay the fines? what happens when you don't pay your child support? as I said, your wages are taken, your bank account taken, your house is taken, your licenses suspended etc. I have already told you this.

Marijuana has nothing to do with the confiscation of firearms.

Try to take my house and see what happens

 

[canndo]

Try to take my house and see what happens

DeSlow, taking your house is the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if you no longer are able to maintain a bank account and are no longer able to pay for your water or electricity.

Of course there are provisions protecting the dweller in the home, but those laws are as easily changed as the rest. You will be offered a choice, a place where you and your family live, or continued posession of your weapons, not both.

 

[DelSlow]

DeSlow, taking your house is the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if you no longer are able to maintain a bank account and are no longer able to pay for your water or electricity.

Of course there are provisions protecting the dweller in the home, but those laws are as easily changed as the rest. You will be offered a choice, a place where you and your family live, or continued posession of your weapons, not both.

You big meanie

 

[NoDrama]

DeSlow, taking your house is the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if you no longer are able to maintain a bank account and are no longer able to pay for your water or electricity.

Of course there are provisions protecting the dweller in the home, but those laws are as easily changed as the rest. You will be offered a choice, a place where you and your family live, or continued posession of your weapons, not both.

You do not need a bank account to pay your bills so that little thought should vanish from the scenario you predicate it on.

 

[budlover13]

And the evidence will be thrown out in court as inadmissable if they do go in those bags
yet
The poison fruit they find in those bags can be probable cause to get a warrant to search your house and even though the warrant was predicated on poisoin fruit
Any evidence of crime they find at the house can be used against you

What saved my ass one time was when the cop asked me if this was my jacket at a raid. My lawyer asked the cop if he knew who ever owned the jacket was in posession of drugs the cop said yes
Since i was not under arrest, or informed I was under arrest nor considered in custody
The cop violated my rights by not informing me that I was in custody
Anything found in the jacket could not be used

Yet what was found in the jacket was used as the basis for a search warrant of my residence

Which was awesome
Because they went to my old address where I hadnt lived for 2 years

Haven't had any search here yet. What illegal activity?

 

[budlover13]

Tell that to anyone that grows and has firearms in a prohibeted state

From what i understand, MJ and firearms, in and of themselves are not a "bad" or illegal thing.

Looking for the links.

 

[budlover13]

DeSlow, taking your house is the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if you no longer are able to maintain a bank account and are no longer able to pay for your water or electricity.

Of course there are provisions protecting the dweller in the home, but those laws are as easily changed as the rest. You will be offered a choice, a place where you and your family live, or continued posession of your weapons, not both.

Cash? Money order?

 

[FresnoFarmer]

From what i understand, MJ and firearms, in and of themselves are not a "bad" or illegal thing.

Looking for the links.

but.....but.....MJ makes firearms more funner

 

[Mr Neutron]

Wrong
What happens is
-first they try to intimidate you
-then they try to reason with you
and then if they cannot find some loophole to get what they want
-they violate your rights anyways

Dont want your car searched?
They will have it towed for one reason or other
Since they are towing it
They have the right to inventory it's contents

Ever wonder why a cop will follow you for a distance before they pull you over?
Well they are running your plates
then your arrest record
and sometimes
They are even looking for a no parking zone to get you to pull over to

Yeah and you're in favor of more of this.

 

[canndo]

You do not need a bank account to pay your bills so that little thought should vanish from the scenario you predicate it on.

In a modern society, most do. You can work under the table, you can cash your checks at Walmart and you can pay your bills with money orders or at a payment location - so far. But most people work for a living and they get paychecks. The moment that happens, government can (and does) interfere. You can squat in your defaulted house if you wish as well. I will conceed that in this event sooner or later the bank will send someone perhaps with a weapoon to your home. the moment you draw on that person the rules change so, as some have been maintaining (especially Rob Roy), force may be applied.

Most times however, none is needed, there are far too many other ways for the government to apply pressure.

 

[cannabineer]

I think that jus made you a racist

How so? He simply stated he's in a class that is currently positively profiled by police. He said nothing disparaging about other races or congratulatory about his own.

 

[cannabineer]

You big meanie

Canndo is telling us how the Gov't would go about a gun confiscation, and he's punching a big hole in the armed defense "theory" popular with retreatists. Don't, uhm, shoot the messenger. cn