Only harvest the largest buds ?

HomeLessBeans

HomeLessBeans

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NEEDMMASAP said:
HomeLessBeans , You sound like Rick himself , there are not many people that would do that . I would check the prices of a gram in Calif and could see the only way out was for us was to grow our own , when Montel Williams opened his place in Sacramento I thought just maybe I would see prices a person could afford but he was at about $17 a gram . I will be up there and growing one way or another ,
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don't know about Rick,but my motives are not pure of heart...I'm fuckin pissed. They wanted a fuckin war? well they got one right here! I don't have there resourses(because they are just stealin mine and yours)they do, But I can fuckin grow. I can teach. So I grow growers. Growers who give me the LARF/butterbuds and trim to make RSO out of.

so good luck gettin up here i'll be in the trenches

edit: oh yeah read read read before ya get here..read everything by Jorge Cervantes for a start. every grow and every grower is different so untill you have your space,style,genetics ad infin..... all we can give are general grow answers
 
FatMarty

FatMarty

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Yes it is very true that one style of growing may not be best for another grower.
So starting out new it's damn hard to even get a shitty crop first grow.

Dialing in is a term you hear from experienced growers who understand that every environ is different and every grower brings different skills and talents to the environ.
No one has ever set up their first grow and never needed to dial it in.
That's pretty much impossible without prior experience.
Books are great to get familiar and learn about style, etc.; but you have to experience a lot of firsts before you have much skill at this.
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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HomeLessBeans said:
don't know about Rick,but my motives are not pure of heart...I'm fuckin pissed. They wanted a fuckin war? well they got one right here! I don't have there resourses(because they are just stealin mine and yours)they do, But I can fuckin grow. I can teach. So I grow growers. Growers who give me the LARF/butterbuds and trim to make RSO out of.

so good luck gettin up here i'll be in the trenches




edit: oh yeah read read read before ya get here..read everything by Jorge Cervantes for a start. every grow and every grower is different so untill you have your space,style,genetics ad infin..... all we can give are general grow answers
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Thanks , Online I found three of his best sellers for a good price if you buy all three , I'll get them ordered .
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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FatMarty said:
Yes it is very true that one style of growing may not be best for another grower.
So starting out new it's damn hard to even get a shitty crop first grow.

Dialing in is a term you hear from experienced growers who understand that every environ is different and every grower brings different skills and talents to the environ.
No one has ever set up their first grow and never needed to dial it in.
That's pretty much impossible without prior experience.
Books are great to get familiar and learn about style, etc.; but you have to experience a lot of firsts before you have much skill at this.
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Another member said you were the person with the knowledge , I'm going over your past posts and learning some things already , sure is a lot of posts . Thanks
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Some good advice here already. There are a couple things I'd like to add ...

First, every situation and garden is different. What works for me may not be right for you. I know people that don't harvest the entire plant, because they only grow for themselves, and harvesting the entire plant at once would put them over on weight (2.5oz's). They also reap the benefit of allowing those lower branches to ripen up some before being chopped. I personally don't do this, but I can see how it would work for others.

Second, get your ducks in a row. If you're going to do this, I'd get as much done before you make the move as possible. I'd be getting my applications filled out, doc apts made, medical records put together, clones/seeds lined up, etc. I think most new growers fail because they don't take in to account the initial investment that needs to be shelled out, coupled with the long wait for your first crop. If money is tight, this is very important.

As far as the growing goes, you got this. It's not rocket science. There is a treasure trove of good info here, and dozens of other places on line. Do plenty of homework, start with an easy Indica, and you'll be enjoying the fruits of your labor inside of 6 months from touch-down in the mitten.

Best of luck!
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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We are what you call financially challenged , and that is slowing our plans down but that is good advice

When I was looking on line for places that we could afford to buy I seen downtown by the river they had these old deserted two story buildings , I think it was Franklin St , I told my wife we should buy one of those , live on the first floor , tear off the roof cover it with green house plastic and make the second floor a bunch of small locked green houses to rent out to other patients to pay for the building , I even set down and drew up the plans , but my wife did as she always does , she waited till I came down off my pain medication knowing I would see how foolish my plans were , I still liked the idea , she just did not want to live in a building like that .
 
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medical/420

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If you could rent out like 20 spots for caregivers you could make some FAST cash. you should definetly do it, you could produce a shit ton of pot there
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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medical/420 said:
If you could rent out like 20 spots for caregivers you could make some FAST cash. you should definetly do it, you could produce a shit ton of pot there
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Down here in Florida we have a ton of these storage places with hundreds of units , you could do the same set-up with green houses , I'm to old and to broke to even try anything like that , if your young give it a go , remember me if you hit it big .
 
abe supercro

abe supercro

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the amount of yield is closely related to the amount of watts used per plant. do you want 6 plants to share a 1000 watt hps light, or do you only want 2 plants under one light? possibly both scenarios will yield the same total. do you see now?
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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Abe and 420 ---Yes I kind of understand , where I am at now is I have built an experimental unit , it’s 2 ft X 2 ft for a total of 4 sq ft it’s Hydro flood and drain , using 3/8 expanded clay rocks , cant plant MM plants because it’s illegal here in FL so I planted Moon Flower seeds because it’s an amazing plant like MM , I’m holding off on the proper lights and reflective material for now , plan to make the upper portion 4ftX 4ft so the plants have room to spread , I’m thinking 4 plants , on top of the 4 ft section a tray for drying ( the heat from the lights should dry the buds good ? I’ll run the air flow from top to bottom so as to keep the water warm and control any mold or mildew problems , so far everything is working perfect .


The lights ? I am thinking 2 lights at 200w each (Or close to that ) so I could have 200w for 6 hr , 400w for 6 hr , 200 w for 6 hr and dark for 6 hr , It would kind of be like what they get outside ?

I get lost on the yield part , if the average is one gram per watt of lighting( I have heard them say that on U-tube ) what do you think I would get per plant in those conditions ? and how many flaws do you see in what I am doing ? What would it take to get that pound per plant ?
 
CashCrops

CashCrops

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st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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NEEDMMASAP said:
Abe and 420 ---Yes I kind of understand , where I am at now is I have built an experimental unit , it’s 2 ft X 2 ft for a total of 4 sq ft it’s Hydro flood and drain , using 3/8 expanded clay rocks , cant plant MM plants because it’s illegal here in FL so I planted Moon Flower seeds because it’s an amazing plant like MM , I’m holding off on the proper lights and reflective material for now , plan to make the upper portion 4ftX 4ft so the plants have room to spread , I’m thinking 4 plants , on top of the 4 ft section a tray for drying ( the heat from the lights should dry the buds good ? I’ll run the air flow from top to bottom so as to keep the water warm and control any mold or mildew problems , so far everything is working perfect .


The lights ? I am thinking 2 lights at 200w each (Or close to that ) so I could have 200w for 6 hr , 400w for 6 hr , 200 w for 6 hr and dark for 6 hr , It would kind of be like what they get outside ?

I get lost on the yield part , if the average is one gram per watt of lighting( I have heard them say that on U-tube ) what do you think I would get per plant in those conditions ? and how many flaws do you see in what I am doing ? What would it take to get that pound per plant ?
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Keep the water warm?

You may want to reconsider that. Anything warmer than room temperature in an ebb and flow system (or any other hydroponics or DWC set up) is asking for reservoir issues. Unwelcome microscopic guests flourish in warm water. Keep the water between 60-70 degrees along with an air stone or some other type of bubbler for best results, and change your water/nutrient solution once every week or two.

Is there a reason why you're thinking of starting out with hydroponics? Soil is more forgiving for new growers, imo.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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BTW, average is not 1 gram per watt for most growers. I'd say that's more like optimal. You should be able to yield at least a pound (roughly 450 grams) of nice bud (not including lowers) from a 1000 watt light. If this will only be you and your wife, you need to account for the fact that you will only legally be allowed to have in your possession 5 ounces of dried, usable bud at any given time ..... so while yielding big numbers is nice, it may not be what you should be aiming for if you wish to stay in compliance with the law.
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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st0wandgrow said:
BTW, average is not 1 gram per watt for most growers. I'd say that's more like optimal. You should be able to yield at least a pound (roughly 450 grams) of nice bud (not including lowers) from a 1000 watt light. If this will only be you and your wife, you need to account for the fact that you will only legally be allowed to have in your possession 5 ounces of dried, usable bud at any given time ..... so while yielding big numbers is nice, it may not be what you should be aiming for if you wish to stay in compliance with the law.
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So a half gram per watt would be about average ? Yes I have to think this through a lot better , I started with Hydro because I have used it before and had good luck with it , but it was outside which probably makes a major difference , I not new at growing plants , doing it now for about 60 years , but never inside like you guys do . And never with lights other than starting seedlings .
If I convert my dry MM into RSO how does that work on staying within my limit ? Do they go by the weight of the oil ?
 
stumpjumper

stumpjumper

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Yeah they would go by the wait of the oil but if you were caught with the mount needed to make the oil before the oil was made you'd have to have a good attorney and fight that the amount over 2.5oz was not a useable product for you until it was converted into oil. So you'd still be incurring legal fees into the thousands..
 
CashCrops

CashCrops

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NEEDMMASAP said:
Thanks , I'll be checking into the scrog thing ? looks like a 5 gal bucket , and it mentions an air stone ? man I have a lot to learn .
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Yea, this is not typical for most growers. It takes a few times to get it right without hurting the plant. As with anything it takes time to get good and also learn which strains respond well and which ones are harder to scrog with. Just something I wanted you to see that you can get more from less like Abe said.
 
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NEEDMMASAP

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stumpjumper said:
Yeah they would go by the wait of the oil but if you were caught with the mount needed to make the oil before the oil was made you'd have to have a good attorney and fight that the amount over 2.5oz was not a useable product for you until it was converted into oil. So you'd still be incurring legal fees into the thousands..
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Sometimes I feel like an idiot , I set here and think about the oil and never even consider the fact that I’d be over the limit just by making the oil , smaller batches would solve that problem .
 
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