If Tax cuts create jobs

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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lifegoesonbrah said:
awww you gotta hide behind ron paul cuz you don't understand the laffer curve?

Suck a bag of dicks you fag.
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i have won the debate.
 
lifegoesonbrah

lifegoesonbrah

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UncleBuck said:
no you're not, you're trying to change the question into something that no one is arguing.

crawl back into your rawn hawl.
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Im just the only one that seems to understand that economics is much more complex then cause and effect arguments. You should just send the IRS more money since its more efficient. You dont want to be paying them too little and then the economy crash for a completely unrelated reason or anything.

loser.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Tax cuts could work better for the citizens if the Corp's reciving them stopped directing those profits overseas.
How did Exxon's tax cut's help US Citizens? If I remember right last year they paid 51 billion (Cash) for interest in an bauxite mine in Australia. I may have misunderstood the report, but really, where is their payment for the common good? if we stop fixing roads they will lose money here, and just sell to China.
They can't lose. And until Congress grows some balls, all jobs are up for grabs overseas.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
Why is it that so many contend that "government doesn't produce anything"? As though government is some sort of manufacturing company that is failing in it's widget assembly line.

As I have said, government produces order. It is hard to know how valuable that order is until it is absent. I lived through two different L.A. riots, this is what a lack of order looks like and the first to rain scalding diatribes over this lack of order is conservatives. They manage usually to blame the "criminals" but those criminals are always there, they don't just spontaneously appear in certain instances, they become evident when there is a state of disorder. Yet they will seldom acknowlege that it is that lack of order that has them so upset. Government does indeed "produce something". You may argue that they are not very efficient and that it costs too much for the order we receive but that is a different argument.

Without order there would be little or no GDP at all, now why do you contend that government has to contribute to GDP?

We agree about single payer but thanks muchly to FOX, single payer was taken off the table early on so we have what we have. This is common with conservatives. They need to prove their basic philosophy, that government doesn't work. If they ever allow it to work, they will be proven to be wrong and conservatives must never be wrong. The best they can to is cripple any prospectivly good program in order to say "there,you see? this doesn't work eitherr".

so we have health care reform that is far from satisfactory.
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Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot all "created order" too. Mussolini ? Heard he made the trains run on time. Yup gotta love that "order" stuff.

Love to say more, gotta go write a letter to somebody in jail, she was "disobedient" didn't like order, thought she owned her own body. How disorderly huh? She's being "corrected", bet she'll love all the order this country has created while she sits in prison....
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot all "created order" too. Mussolini ? Heard he made the trains run on time. Yup gotta love that "order" stuff.

Love to say more, gotta go write a letter to somebody in jail, she was "disobedient" didn't like order, thought she owned her own body. How disorderly huh? She's being "corrected", bet she'll love all the order this country has created while she sits in prison....
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Gotta bring up aberations in defense of your position. Yes indeed, these people "created order", not too well though considering that their order was somewhat short lived. A definition of such societal order is longevity of the current system. Old monarchies aren't particularly orderly in transition, neither are dictatorships. I never said that all order was good and I never said that governments provide order that resulted in social justice but the better governments are the ones that establish and maintain long term order because the virtue of that order results in longevity of the government.


What I said was that governments do provide a "product" or "service". They create or perpetuate order.

I doubt your unfortunate friend did not or does not like order, she simply bore the brunt of a particular system of establishing order. An orderly society will eventually discover its errors and change. You seem to wish that there be no order at all, which would result in far more pain than is currently being felt in this country.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
Gotta bring up aberations in defense of your position. Yes indeed, these people "created order", not too well though considering that their order was somewhat short lived. A definition of such societal order is longevity of the current system. Old monarchies aren't particularly orderly in transition, neither are dictatorships. I never said that all order was good and I never said that governments provide order that resulted in social justice but the better governments are the ones that establish and maintain long term order because the virtue of that order results in longevity of the government.


What I said was that governments do provide a "product" or "service". They create or perpetuate order.

I doubt your unfortunate friend did not or does not like order, she simply bore the brunt of a particular system of establishing order. An orderly society will eventually discover its errors and change. You seem to wish that there be no order at all, which would result in far more pain than is currently being felt in this country.
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I seem to get all the way to the root of the issue. The best kind of order is kept when individuals do not initiate aggression and are held accountable when they do. Government is not accountable, when it can (and does) grant itself power that deny natural rights.

Hoping that the single most violent institution will somehow change is illogical. What you are essentially saying is "hey Kunta Kinte don't run away, EVENTUALLY you will be free....don't want to be "disorderly now do you ? " I think the "disorder" measured by a body count that the multiude of governments have created is a credible argument to your "government creates order" argument. Government that defies natural right = chaos.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Rob Roy said:
I seem to get all the way to the root of the issue. The best kind of order is kept when individuals do not initiate aggression and are held accountable when they do. Government is not accountable, when it can (and does) grant itself power that deny natural rights.

Hoping that the single most violent institution will somehow change is illogical. What you are essentially saying is "hey Kunta Kinte don't run away, EVENTUALLY you will be free....don't want to be "disorderly now do you ? " I think the "disorder" measured by a body count that the multiude of governments have created is a credible argument to your "government creates order" argument. Government that defies natural right = chaos.
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But the "natural rights" concept is not without its problems. I maintain that there are none such. cn
 
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