What is more stressful. Pinching or LST (Poll)

[jpeg666]

So I basically got flamed for being a first time grower and stating my opinion for saying I think pinching and crushing a stem to stop growth is more stressful then slightly bending over the plant, LST.

I want to know from more people than just the douche that flamed me and put me down for being a first time grower. What do you think is more stressful to the plant?

I also want to add I did not say one was better than the other or you should not do one. It is not my place to say anything like that as an inexperienced grower. I was just stating what I thought and wasn't stating facts.

I only said, It sounds to me like pinching would cause more stress than LST

 

[racerboy71]

So I basically got flamed for being a first time grower and stating my opinion for saying I think pinching and crushing a stem to stop growth is more stressful then slightly bending over the plant, LST.

I want to know from more people than just the douche that flamed me and put me down for being a first time grower. What do you think is more stressful to the plant?

i saw that thread and didn't get involved.. obvoiusly pinching is more stressful than lst, a procedure named after it's low stress effects..

 

[jpeg666]

Yea I am not going to say anything more to that person or link him to this thread or anything I actually just want to know for personal education so I don't give wrong advice.

I am here to learn from all of you great people...well most of you great people....that are willing to give advice and be helpful. Not give unhelpful criticism and put down new growers that only want to learn.

 

[Villa]

You are entitled to your opinion and anyone who puts you down for YOUR OPINION isn't worth worrying about. Lsting a plant doesn't hurt it in anyway and pinching it does so I believe your opinion is spot on. I do both though.

 

[scroglodyte]

i think they both hurt the plant's feelings..........and that's mean

 

[jpeg666]

i think they both hurt the plant's feelings..........and that's mean

He does have a point.

You are entitled to your opinion and anyone who puts you down for YOUR OPINION isn't worth worrying about. Lsting a plant doesn't hurt it in anyway and pinching it does so I believe your opinion is spot on. I do both though.

Yea I shouldn't really worry about it.... it just rustled my jimmies that people put new growers down like that. Thanks I will probably experiment with both too

 

[Ndodson79605]

Bro, I'm a newb grower myself. I'm only on my 5th or 6th grow (smoke too much, can't remember shit, lol), but I say, those on here who bash newbs like us should be ashamed of themselves. We all came to this forum to learn from those who are more experienced than us. Not be trash-talked and put down. Kudos to you for being the bigger man and asking for help. I do it all the time. I won't lie, I'm a fucking newb!!! Stoner fam should stick together, not bash one another for what they do not know! Can I get an Amen???

 

[mike91sr]

You are entitled to your opinion and anyone who puts you down for YOUR OPINION isn't worth worrying about. Lsting a plant doesn't hurt it in anyway and pinching it does so I believe your opinion is spot on. I do both though.

Being entitled to an opinion doesnt mean every question or debate has room for opinions. Facts trump opinions, and in any case like this where its a clear cut and dry answer, fact is all that matters. You can have an opinion about which you prefer for different circumstances, but not which is more or less stressful to the plant.

 

[PeyoteReligion]

So I basically got flamed for being a first time grower and stating my opinion for saying I think pinching and crushing a stem to stop growth is more stressful then slightly bending over the plant, LST.

I want to know from more people than just the douche that flamed me and put me down for being a first time grower. What do you think is more stressful to the plant?

I also want to add I did not say one was better than the other or you should not do one. It is not my place to say anything like that as an inexperienced grower. I was just stating what I thought and wasn't sFtating facts.

I only said, It sounds to me like pinching would cause more stress than LST

Haha never mean to "flame" you man. It's the Internet, take things easy.

But you need to pinch in order to lst anyways. Not only are you pinching you are folding the stem over as well. Just because low stress is in the name don't mean it's any less stressfull. Pinching is half of lst, so how is it MORE stressfull? Please explain?

 

[PeyoteReligion]

Also if I was offensive or hurtful than my bad. I merely pointed out you were a first time grower. Is that super offensive nowadays?

 

[mike91sr]

But you need to pinch in order to lst anyways.

How do you figure that? I've tied down dozens upon dozens of branches without ever pinching them.

 

[PeyoteReligion]

How do you figure that? I've tied down dozens upon dozens of branches without ever pinching them.

Thats called tying down?

 

[mike91sr]

What exactly do you think LST is?

 

[PeyoteReligion]

Not just tying a branch out of the way. Which I'll agree, that has little to no stress. We are literally talking minutia here, the amount of stress involved here with all of these are pretty low on the stress meter.

To get a good lst, you have to massage and kinda pinch to soften the stem at the bending point. If you are talking about just pulling a branch down and tying it up, that's hardly lst. Still training for sure.

 

[mike91sr]

Not just tying a branch out of the way. Which I'll agree, that has little to no stress. We are literally talking minutia here, the amount of stress involved here with all of these are pretty low on the stress meter.

To get a good lst, you have to massage and kinda pinch to soften the stem at the bending point. If you are talking about just pulling a branch down and tying it up, that's hardly lst. Still training for sure.

This is all industry slang anyway, but technically you dont pinch when you LST. The point is to spread the plant with Low Stress. If you want to LST and pinch at the same time, youre no longer LSTing. You're pinching and tying. Not as low stress as just tying, so the name Low Stress Training doesnt really apply.

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[PeyoteReligion]

Let me just put it this way. After I lst, the branch that I trained is bent over, not pointing up at the sun aanymore. It will take a few hours to start lookin back up at the sun. After I pinch, there is no visual sign of damage. The stem is still intact and the verticle growth of the particular chute I pinched slows down.
I sure hope you guys don't think I'm mutilating my stem when I pinch, I did say gently.

 

[mike91sr]

You do realize that youre saying its harder for the plant to reposition itself towards the light(ever see any plant grow outdoors? they follow the sun all day every day) than to repair physical damage and THEN reposition itself towards the light, right?

LST produces a gradual bend. Supercropping creates damage that the plant repairs. Yes, it ends up being a stronger branch(which is why I use it selectively) but that doesnt negate the stress caused by physical damage.

 

[jpeg666]

I made this thread because I was told I made an uneducated guess by saying lst was less stressful than pinching and that I shouldn't post that because I am a first time grower. You came off offensive even if you weren't trying to be.

Bro, I'm a newb grower myself. I'm only on my 5th or 6th grow (smoke too much, can't remember shit, lol), but I say, those on here who bash newbs like us should be ashamed of themselves. We all came to this forum to learn from those who are more experienced than us. Not be trash-talked and put down. Kudos to you for being the bigger man and asking for help. I do it all the time. I won't lie, I'm a fucking newb!!! Stoner fam should stick together, not bash one another for what they do not know! Can I get an Amen???

Oh yea AMEN

Haha never mean to "flame" you man. It's the Internet, take things easy.

But you need to pinch in order to lst anyways. Not only are you pinching you are folding the stem over as well. Just because low stress is in the name don't mean it's any less stressfull. Pinching is half of lst, so how is it MORE stressfull? Please explain?

From the research I have done and the videos I've seen you do NOT pinch when you LST. When you pinch you are causing damage and stress to repair, that is a fact. Low stress training is just that, you are putting very little stress on the plant by bending it over and having it bend back up looking for light. Not pinching in addition to bending, then you are just adding more stress to the plant and you are no longer "LOW STRESS" training it.

Then I guess it just comes down to slang and definition. If someone invented LST and did not intend pinching to be part of the procedure then you do not do it to properly LST. If people just started giving the technique the name LST without a proper way of doing it then I guess you can pinch a stem put a screen up and still call it LST'ing even if you are pinching and scrogging.

 

[scotchtape51]

THE GUY FLAMING YOU DOE NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!! He is confused and mixing up supper cropping with LST. There is absolutly no pinching of any kind involved with LST.
.......Prepare for the butt hurts that are coming........

 

[scotchtape51]

Fudged up my vote . +1 to pinching being more stressful.