you have to pay $13.50 to vote in pennsylvania

[UncleBuck]

Aww Unclebuck does your pussy hurt?

First of all it's not voter suppression it's voter protection, the sooner you get that in your nugget brain the better.

Unclebuck is is an imbecile, he whined about this shit when Florida did it also, he mislead people on Oregon ID cost and failed to mention that it cost a whopping $3.50 for an ID in Florida. Chesusrice isn't much better most of his copy/paste post have been proven inaccurate also. They try to see who can post the most incompetent statement and then "Like" each others over and over again like a Beavis and Butthead pair. You have a higher chance of nailing a Victoria Secret model tonight than getting any intellectual or accurate information from those two.


As for only 350 proven cases voter fraud one can be surprised the number is that high with the haphazard system we're running, Facebook runs a tighter shop than we do. The IRS admitted to losing 5 billion to identity thieves in 2011 and estimated they didn't catch around 1.5million claims they sent 2,137 claims to the same fucking address remember this is the IRS where you have to send a ton of information to and has thousands of staffers dedicated. Now we have states like Florida than want to crosscheck voters against a US database(small step but in the right direction) to make sure they're legal and the government sues them hows that for dotting the i's. It's incredibly easy in most states without ID laws to commit voter fraud, I have never been asked for an ID or to prove my identity in anyway, if you think in 40 years that no more than 350 people have committed fraud and all of them got caught then you're either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid.

the sock puppet douchebag (confirmed by the site admin) still can't produce any evidence that in person voter fraud is anything more than an extremely rare aberration.

 

[beenthere]

Aww Unclebuck does your pussy hurt?

First of all it's not voter suppression it's voter protection, the sooner you get that in your nugget brain the better.

As for only 350 proven cases voter fraud one can be surprised the number is that high with the haphazard system we're running, Facebook runs a tighter shop than we do.
It's incredibly easy in most states without ID laws to commit voter fraud, I have never been asked for an ID or to prove my identity in anyway, if you think in 40 years that no more than 350 people have committed fraud and all of them got caught then you're either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid.

BINGO! This is exactly why voter fraud is so hard to prosecute.
Either Bucky is a disingenuous POS, or one dumb MF.

 

[UncleBuck]

BINGO! This is exactly why voter fraud is so hard to prosecute.
Either Bucky is a disingenuous POS, or one dumb MF.

you have no evidence. face it.

if in person voter fraud were actually a problem, you wouldn't have to manufacture all these excuses.

tell me again about your support for paying money to the government in order to be able to vote.

 

[Red1966]

Historically A poll tax wasnt paid by everyone But was required of those the majority didnt want to vote

I challenge you to prove that.

 

[UncleBuck]

I challenge you to prove that.

tell me again why southern states need to get federal approval before changing their voting laws, senor stormfront.

 

[UncleBuck]

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Receipt for payment of poll tax, Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, 1917 (the $1 tax would be equal to $18.14 today)


In U.S. practice, a poll tax was used as a de facto or implicit pre-condition of the exercise of the ability to vote. This tax emerged in some states of the United States in the late 19th century as part of the Jim Crow laws. After the ability to vote was extended to all races by the enactment of the Fifteenth Amendment, many Southern states enacted poll tax laws as a means of restricting eligible voters; such laws often included a grandfather clause, which allowed any adult male whose father or grandfather had voted in a specific year prior to the abolition of slavery to vote without paying the tax. These laws, along with unfairly implemented literacy tests and extra-legal intimidation,[SUP][1][/SUP] achieved the desired effect of disfranchising African-American and Native American voters, as well as poor whites.

 

[Red1966]

I am required by fema to buy flood ins. It's not called a tax but since government mandates it, it becomes a tax and therefore deductible on my taxes. As such, I can claim my "voting fee" on my end of year taxes.

Are you sure flood insurance is deductible? For a home, I mean. I know it is for a business. I'm pretty sure you can't deduct a "voting fee" as there is no "voting fee".

 

[Red1966]

Making the ID free is still not enough. The process itself inhibits the right to vote. The requirement for a specific ID is as well. I heard a guy on the radio from PA say that he just discovered that his military ID was not sufficent because it had "indefinite" or something to that effect on it - in other words it did not expire. The documents required to get an acceptabel ID is also a barrier. I think it is interesting that so many on the right are now claiming that it is "in the best interest of the citizen to have an ID anyway so why not force them to get one". Now, all of a sudden, the non-nannystaters are interested in the welfare of the common aged voter.

Who's forcing them to get an ID?

 

[Red1966]

The story is anecdotal, granted, but it illustrates the problem rather well. voter ID was never formulated to guarantee legitimate elections but to surpress Democrat's votes. Simple and plain as can be. That statement is backed with enough evidence to convince anyone who does not operate according to a partisan agenda.

That statement is backed with enough evidence to convince anyone who operates according to a partisan agenda.

 

[Red1966]

All the people who support Voter ID say it is to prevent Voter Fraud Yet have no evidence that Voter Fraud is a problem

There's evidence, you just ignore it and keep on yapping it doesn't exist. So I could say "Yet have no evidence that Voter Disenfranchisement is a problem." with every bit of validity as your statement.

 

[Red1966]

Isn't that how Bush was elected the second time around? Some odd 53,000 dead people voted for him in Florida, I was living in Florida, and I never once saw people gathered in mass to support Bush, but Kerry supporters were all over the place. I wonder if Jeb had anything to do with the outcome, and before you go label me as a conspiriacy theorist, don't forget senior was the head of the C.I.A. (and they know how to rig an election). Also why are our votes being tallied by a Spanish company? I'm proud to be Socially liberal, and Economically conservative (Libertarian).

"Some odd 53,000 dead people voted for him in Florida" Prove it or you're a liar. Wasn't that you claiming voter fraud wasn't a problem? You sure sound like a "conspiriacy theorist".

 

[Red1966]

Unfortunately UB has gotten folks off on the wrong horse here. Poll tax, no poll tax, the point really has nothing to do with the cost. Beenthere, how about a direct exclaimation. do you support PA voter ID that inhibits hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters from casting their ballots while a the same time stopping perhaps one or two instances of voter fraud?

You're making those numbers up.

 

[Red1966]

Unfortunately UB has gotten folks off on the wrong horse here. Poll tax, no poll tax, the point really has nothing to do with the cost. Beenthere, how about a direct exclaimation. do you support PA voter ID that inhibits hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters from casting their ballots while a the same time stopping perhaps one or two instances of voter fraud?

Have you stopped beating your wife?

 

[UncleBuck]

Who's forcing them to get an ID?

if these people want to vote, they are being forced to pay a sum of money to the government before doing so.

you're redtarded.

 

[UncleBuck]

There's evidence, you just ignore it and keep on yapping it doesn't exist. So I could say "Yet have no evidence that Voter Disenfranchisement is a problem." with every bit of validity as your statement.

show me 700,000+ cases of in person voter fraud in PA and then you can claim that in person voter fraud is anywhere near as problematic as the law passed to remedy it.

for your edification, those who fought for the law had to admit they couldn't even find one case of it and admitted it wasn't a widespread problem. so good luck. maybe your buddies at stormfront can aid you in your research.

 

[budlover13]

if these people want to vote, they are being forced to pay a sum of money to the government before doing so.

you're redtarded.

So let them prove their eligibility some way else. Suggestions?

 

[UncleBuck]

You're making those numbers up.

check post #425. they compared the voter database to the PennDOT database. 758,000 are registered to vote yet do not have proper ID to vote. they would have to pay a sum of money to the government in order to vote.

you're redtarded.

 

[Red1966]

Please don't make the same mistake as so many NRA members do, you have taken the 2nd amendment out of context.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".​

Is what it says. It is the only amendment that supposedly explains itself. It would have been far better had it been worded the way you have, but it was not and so leaves doubt as to its true meaning. Reading as good liberals do, for the most power to the individual, I agree that your having to provide ID to anyone but the seller is in shady constitutional ground, background checks as well are questionable. A waiting period in my opinion is not, as you are not guarnteed promptness as you are for a trial. The cost? I think that would depend upon where the money goes. As far as the weapon not being shipped across state lines - that as well could be justified, especialy in light of what the 2nd amendment really say. Now, you make a huge jump in saying that if registration fraud is rampant we should simply assume that voter fraud is as well. It has been explained that registration fraud is not orchestrated in order to alter a particular outcome of an election. Your presumption that voter fraud is rampant is demonstrated false by a number of studies indicating that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. It is not coincidence that each incident of voter ID law has been orchestrated by Republicans, each incident of attempted curtailment of voter rights has at its root, Republicans. Specificly ALEC. What you wind up doing Desert Dude is taking this to the theoretical, in theory, you are correct, but in practice hundreds of thousands of legitimate voters will not be able to vote and the culprits are invariably Republicans.

Wow, a whole page of bullshit.

 

[UncleBuck]

So let them prove their eligibility some way else. Suggestions?

many other states have voter ID laws i do not disagree with. see virginia.

 

[Red1966]

Beenthere, your "willingness to bet" has no bearing on what is or is not true. In fact, your enthusiasm for wager is noted. Would you like to place a little bet with me that you cannot find legitimate proof that voter fraud represents more than one thousanth of one percent of all votes cast nationaly in a given year? I see you are avoiding reality here. In point, there is little if any voter fraud, there is no widespread voter fraud and there certainly is strong evidence that the number of disenfranchised legitimate voters dwarfs any number of illegal voters stymied by any voter ID law. that is the reality and you are either ignoring it or diverting attention from it.

Don't take that bet!!! When you when Canndo will just say your proof isn't "credible", and demand payment. You can't prove anything to a "true believer".