Trichs Never Turn Amber

Huel Perkins

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I been growing the same cut AK-47 pheno for 4 or maybe even 5 years now. I love everything about the plant, structure, yield, aroma, potency but i have never been able to judge the trichomes to determine when it's perfectly ready for harvest.

It seems that the common forum belief here is that when the majority of the trichomes turn from clear to milky and when 20%-50% (depending of preference) turn from milky to amber it is ready for harvest. With this strain the breeder suggests a harvest after 7-8 weeks of flowering yet at 7-8 weeks my plant's trichomes are almost all still clear. I've actually let this strain go as long as 14 weeks and the trichs still never really achieve the 20%+ amber level. Another interesting trait is that the buds never really stop growing...

Weeks 2-4 are the standard pistil explosion of growth shooting from every flowering site on the plant. Weeks 3-4 are steadily adding mass to all the flowering sites. Weeks 5-6 is when the fur-ball looking masses of pistils actually start to appear full bud structure and dense with noticeable calyx development. Weeks 7-8 nothing much seems to happen, there is still some growth but the vigor in prior weeks seems to be put on pause yet the vast majority of the pistils (95%+) are still white and full of life. During week 9 is when the calyxes really swell up and the buds truly appear full, dense and beautiful. Although the bud looks full and ready for harvest, 90% of the pistils and still white and at least 75% of the trichomes are still clear. After 9 weeks the buds begin to get crazy fox tail formations and i tend to start loosing leaves as well as a great deal of yellowing and purple leaves. Weeks 10-14 continue on in the same fashion that week 9 ended, lots of color change in my leaves (losing the green) and lots of fox tailing in bud growth but still never achieving many amber trichs and still at least 50%+ clear trichs.

I've grown plenty of other strains that seem to follow the typical standards peak maturity in the last couple weeks (calyxes swell, pistils start dying off and trichs turn from clear-cloudy-amber) but this strain which happens to be my all time favorite just doesn't seem to follow the rules....

Has anyone gown a strain like this or just want to share their thoughts on it????
 
@Perkins:
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There are phenos that simply do not get real amber, I know that for sure.
And it's not only a few strains, if anything it seems to get more common today (hybrids without real amber thricomes).
You could wait and get darker brown/yellow thrics, but what you see is overripe bud - not the amber you want.
"
This is the gist of the replies I've gotten when I ask your question (similar ones).
I used to grow outdoors when younger, and relatively recently started growing modern hybrids indoors.

I have the same "problem" myself at the moment, and I'm not sure it only genetics - the environment is usually a big factor in everything.
With "problem" I mean no amber, a lot of clear, but still great potency after harvest!

Maybe the plant never get enough clues that it's all over (winter is coming), I wish I knew.

But since you've grown the same strain for several years, and loving the result, the question becomes why is the potency so good, when it still has so many clear thricomes?

I would like to know this, because when this happens you can't help but feel like there had to be more potential in the plant!

But the fact is, I love the potency of my latest harvest - which means all the clear thricomes are irrelevant (no amber, and about 60% milky - the rest was clear at harvest!).

I would love to get real information about this topic.

BTW: After a month of curing, you'll notice yellow/amberish thrics anyway, but that's another topic.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
As Flamin Pie said, why would you want a less potent product?

Amber trichomes contain CBN which is the product of degraded THC and it represents a 90% loss of potency.

You should be happy that you have a strain which has evolved into producing nearly no amber trichomes, thereby retaining it's potency perfectly.
That is a gift if I ever saw one.


If you have any more questions regarding trichomes:

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html



@OldGrowAddict

There are a few strains which do not really turn amber in the general sense.
The fact that the plant can produce a good enough potency just on 60% cloudy is just a testament to how strong the genetics are.
If you let that plant get near 90-100% cloudy, potency would be noticeably increased though.
 

Huel Perkins

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I guess i should have added a few more facts to my original post but i was highly medicated and already felt like i was was just rambling on... lol! Although i have let this strain go 14 weeks, it was a one time experiment and i generally harvest around 10 weeks. I know about CBN and have even lab tested this strain 3 times looking for answers. The highest CBN it tested at was .31% which was a sample that was harvested at 9 weeks, the lowest CBN it tested at was .24% which was a sample that was harvested at 11 weeks. I'm not out to harvest my plants loaded with amber trichs and CBN but i do like to experiment and question the common forum beliefs that the majority of people seem to follow. That is why i made this thread, to get people thinking...
 

atidd11

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I know this will sound crazy but i only did it once. To half of one plant. When youre ready to harvest. Break the branches and skin em like really fuck em up and the next day the buds on that side will look much more done than the others. Its like the plant just finishes them. If u did it to a branch or two u might like the buds you get? Give it a try
 

IGTHY

Well-Known Member
I been growing the same cut AK-47 pheno for 4 or maybe even 5 years now. I love everything about the plant, structure, yield, aroma, potency but i have never been able to judge the trichomes to determine when it's perfectly ready for harvest.

It seems that the common forum belief here is that when the majority of the trichomes turn from clear to milky and when 20%-50% (depending of preference) turn from milky to amber it is ready for harvest. With this strain the breeder suggests a harvest after 7-8 weeks of flowering yet at 7-8 weeks my plant's trichomes are almost all still clear. I've actually let this strain go as long as 14 weeks and the trichs still never really achieve the 20%+ amber level. Another interesting trait is that the buds never really stop growing...

Weeks 2-4 are the standard pistil explosion of growth shooting from every flowering site on the plant. Weeks 3-4 are steadily adding mass to all the flowering sites. Weeks 5-6 is when the fur-ball looking masses of pistils actually start to appear full bud structure and dense with noticeable calyx development. Weeks 7-8 nothing much seems to happen, there is still some growth but the vigor in prior weeks seems to be put on pause yet the vast majority of the pistils (95%+) are still white and full of life. During week 9 is when the calyxes really swell up and the buds truly appear full, dense and beautiful. Although the bud looks full and ready for harvest, 90% of the pistils and still white and at least 75% of the trichomes are still clear. After 9 weeks the buds begin to get crazy fox tail formations and i tend to start loosing leaves as well as a great deal of yellowing and purple leaves. Weeks 10-14 continue on in the same fashion that week 9 ended, lots of color change in my leaves (losing the green) and lots of fox tailing in bud growth but still never achieving many amber trichs and still at least 50%+ clear trichs.

I've grown plenty of other strains that seem to follow the typical standards peak maturity in the last couple weeks (calyxes swell, pistils start dying off and trichs turn from clear-cloudy-amber) but this strain which happens to be my all time favorite just doesn't seem to follow the rules....

Has anyone gown a strain like this or just want to share their thoughts on it????
Hey what's up Huel Perkins? Well the Ak-47 is what I call a "white strain" ;meaning that it's genetics are highly influenced with Sativa lineage. From my experience growing those "white strains" the resin heads never go Amber. The amber colors are found more in my Indicas. I will tell you this after about two months of flowering your plant is going to be harvest ready.
 

Huel Perkins

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my buddys AK-47 does the same thing, but it seems after 11 weeks the quilty goes down.
That sounds about right. The best overall cannabinoid percentage and highest THC levels in the testing i've had done are from 9 and 10 week harvests.

is it because its auto flower ?

just guessing....
Defiantly not an auto, especially since i've had the same plant in veg for 5 years...

Hey what's up Huel Perkins? Well the Ak-47 is what I call a "white strain" ;meaning that it's genetics are highly influenced with Sativa lineage. From my experience growing those "white strains" the resin heads never go Amber. The amber colors are found more in my Indicas. I will tell you this after about two months of flowering your plant is going to be harvest ready.
Its defiantly a sativa dominant strain, no question on that. I've never heard that reading trichomes to determine harvest time was an indica only thing but that would make sense, at least for this situation.

I will probably always continue to judge my plants by multiple things to determine when they are ready for harvest just as i've been doing. I will probably also continue to experiment and try new things rather than following others, there is so much more you can learn that way.
 
Qoute:
"Amber trichomes contain CBN which is the product of degraded THC and it represents a 90% loss of potency."
Source pleace, I'm sick and tired of forum-myths.

What's wrong with saying "I believe" before passing on info with no source. Not that you have to be wrong, it's not about that at all.

I know that CBN is formed by air/light over time, so it IS a degraded product, you are correct. But that is not all, really.
Cannabinoids interact, that is why they are so powerful. THC-only is not heaven.

I know CBN is "only" mildly phycoactive on it's OWN, but nobody knows the complex interactions.

Notice how everybody hypes CBD (which is not psychoactive)? Interactions are key.
It seems, non-phsycoactive CBD prolongs the high! So who knows what phsycoactive CBN does. There are at least 85 known cannabinoids interacting.

Rember THC-A (which fresh plants are fulll of)?
The THC-A which will eventually get formed into regular THC automatically over time (or using ligher in a bong (heat)).

BUT, THC-A will ALSO form CBN! (and everybody seem to hate CBN).
What makes some THC-A to turn into THC, and some of it to CBN I do not understand.



Forming CBD is a separte pathway, and I belive genetics are imporant for CBD.

My point, this is all guessing. Nobody really knows. So experience is the only way.

BTW:
But I do know this WAS the pathway science: CBG -> CBD -> THC. But this only happend in fiber-strains, which has a lot of CBD to work with.
Today the science is: CBG directly to THC (at least for drug-strains (too low in CBD)).



Edit: my main point was simply that more research and facts are needed, which are only beginning to appear. Today experience (different harvest times, to sample) are the way to go, IMHO.
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
Qoute:
"Amber trichomes contain CBN which is the product of degraded THC and it represents a 90% loss of potency."
Source pleace, I'm sick and tired of forum-myths.

What's wrong with saying "I believe" before passing on info with no source. Not that you have to be wrong, it's not about that at all.

I know that CBN is formed by air/light over time, so it IS a degraded product, you are correct. But that is not all, really.
Cannabinoids interact, that is why they are so powerful. THC-only is not heaven.

I know CBN is "only" mildly phycoactive on it's OWN, but nobody knows the complex interactions.

Notice how everybody hypes CBD (which is not psychoactive)? Interactions are key.
It seems, non-phsycoactive CBD prolongs the high! So who knows what phsycoactive CBN does. There are at least 85 known cannabinoids interacting.

Rember THC-A (which fresh plants are fulll of)?
The THC-A which will eventually get formed into regular THC automatically over time (or using ligher in a bong (heat)).

BUT, THC-A will ALSO form CBN! (and everybody seem to hate CBN).
What makes some THC-A to turn into THC, and some of it to CBN I do not understand.



Forming CBD is a separte pathway, and I belive genetics are imporant for CBD.

My point, this is all guessing. Nobody really knows. So experience is the only way.

BTW:
But I do know this WAS the pathway science: CBG -> CBD -> THC. But this only happend in fiber-strains, which has a lot of CBD to work with.
Today the science is: CBG directly to THC (at least for drug-strains (too low in CBD)).



Edit: my main point was simply that more research and facts are needed, which are only beginning to appear. Today experience (different harvest times, to sample) are the way to go, IMHO.

It's quite funny that you say I pass information without souces when I'm one of the only guys on this forum who actually quotes references and places source links in my posts.
If you cared to read the link I posted or search my nick on the forum you would see I post references to sources..
I have posted my sources which includes research papers, biotech companies, books written by acclaimed scientists.

I don't have to say 'I believe' because it's not a matter of belief.
It's a matter of scientifically backed evidence & research.


It seems CBD prolongs the high? Where is your source for that statement?

CBD is hyped because of the many medical benifits.
Again, if you care to read the link I posted you would see my sources on this.

Do I remember THC-A? What kind of question is that.
No THC-A is not 'turned' into CBN. I don't know where you got this from but some THC-A (which is a pre-cursor acid) does not turn into THC and some into CBN.

THC-A is simply the precursor acid of THC.

THC can degrade into CBN, THC-A can't.


There is no need for guessing.
We do know a lot more about cannabinoids now than we did 5 years ago.

But you seem to have thoroughly misunderstood how cannabinoids are formed and which substances they are formed by and degrade into.

And you are stating your own beliefs and opinions as fact, which is alarming.
Because that is exactly what you are saying that I'm doing, without checking all the info I posted or the sources I refer to.


CBG does not form CBD which then forms THC.
That is completely false information. And what does fibre strains have to do with that?

Every cannabinoid is formed by it's particular precursor acid state.

CBD-A to CBD.
THC-A to THC etc.

No, the science is not CBG to THC today, I have no idea where you have gotten that information from.


Please read all the information before you start to write off what I post as myths..
 

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis

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Some plants won't finish unless you change the light cycle a tad. My source is Ed Rosenthal's Marijuana Grower's Handbook.
 
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