Cloning Experement - Honey vs Schultz Take Root vs Clonex gel

[Learn2Grow]

Does spray painting it black with bed liner count as building it? LOL



I am sure your right SFguy, this is how I feel with the fuckin dome tryin to clone this Tahoe --->



Thanks Huel, I'm glad to hear you say it tops around 85, because i am going to be in the high end of that... till it cools down here in the hot ass desert at least. A 5 gallon bucket in the room where the cloner will be around 83 -84F. Which is no where near optimal, i know it can lead to pathogen issues and more of this

However the several hundred for a res chiller is out of the question totally for this little cloner. The Ice in a bottle thing is a major PITA and i just don't wanna do it, anyone have some good alternate suggestions besides those 2?

Ambient room temps are at a nice low of 74 and high of 82 during a 24 hour snapshot right now, at about 50% humidity. But I run Co2 in bloom so temps 80 -85 are actually nearly ideal with Co2. If you cant beat the heat fully in AZ gotta work with it!


Here is where im all ears to a cheap, easy way to fix this res temp issue guys

I bought the EZ cloner which burned up inside my room which runs in the high 80's. My autocloner ran between 90 and 100. The pump being located inside the spray chamber is what heats things up. You will not get roots for 3-4 weeks with it running this hot. I solved this for free by drilling a hole in the side and placing the pump in a water cooler outside my room. The cloner is elevated so the water runs out two drain holes i put near the bottom and is returned through the sprayers by the pump in the cooler. This makes more space for root growth before reaching the water and cools things down. It also eliminates the need for an air stone or line. I will post some pics if I can find them...

 

[4 the love of ganja]

I have never done hydro but ive read about people putting frozen bottles of water in the rez to keep temps down (not much control with that but it couldn't hurt).
but dont take my word for it not sure if it works but it just something I have read around here. I would do a little more research though

 

[goblyn]

Fantastic Input! Thank you!

I use an aeroponic cloner too and have had 99% success. Like others have said, I run it warm... set it on a heat mat for water temps in the high 70's to low 80's. I have even managed to pop roots on woody plants like rosemary. It's amazing.

 

[AzCannaMan]

Okay so only 1 clone took. Tonight i pulled on each stem hard enough to either see if they were rooted or pull the cut out. Part of the method used was to cut the skin off the outside of the cut before dipping/planting. This prevented the OG from rooting. You'll see the results below. 1 of the Clonex ones actually took because i planted it deeper than the cut and gel got on the stem.

The Clonex gel shows wayyyy more root development than the Honey, Water, or Powder which all show virtually no rooting whatsoever. The Clonex gel ones however the part of the stems which bordered the cut on it and the media line started to root and as you will see one of them actually took well enough to poke 1 root!

Now the final picture will show the new Aero Cloner, since I have this i think i'll hold off on the media test... at least for now. I'll put some cuts in the new cloner soon!

 

[tehgenoc1de]

Recut those and stick em in the aerocloner!

Also I guess Clonex wins?

 

[AzCannaMan]

Recut those and stick em in the aerocloner!

I thought about it but I already threw them in the trash, I'll actually want the next batch so I want em to be top notch!

 

[tehgenoc1de]

Yeah that's probably smart.

 

[AzCannaMan]

Yes, Clonex Gel was the winner.

Experiment was somewhat flawed though by the skinning of the stems which kept them from rooting.

 

[|B3RNY|]

It's nothing to do with skinning the stems, I did that at first until I realized it's unnecessary because I was getting the same results either way. Either the environment/technique is flawed somehow or the phenotype you have is a bitch. I can tell by the wavy/curled leafs that the rooting medium was allowed to get too dry at some point... it'll cause the leafs to get wavy every time, they don't heal either (except in new growth.) I haven't messed with my BTOG yet but I've cloned other OG strains without failures. I think you're starting out with a strain that's a little more difficult to clone, if you have no luck again try a skunk strain or something that is somewhat true breeding. Though with irrigation/humidity problems you will have better results from any DWC type cloner, they require less maintenance and have less room for error. The best ones utilize misters & water pumps or air pumps rather than a water pump alone; the constant flow of water on models that use water pumps without misters will slow the rooting process because they keep the rooting medium way too moist.

 

[AzCannaMan]

It's nothing to do with skinning the stems, I did that at first until I realized it's unnecessary because I was getting the same results either way. Either the environment/technique is flawed somehow or the phenotype you have is a bitch. I can tell by the wavy/curled leafs that the rooting medium was allowed to get too dry at some point... it'll cause the leafs to get wavy every time, they don't heal either (except in new growth.) I haven't messed with my BTOG yet but I've cloned other OG strains without failures. I think you're starting out with a strain that's a little more difficult to clone, if you have no luck again try a skunk strain or something that is somewhat true breeding. Though with irrigation/humidity problems you will have better results from any DWC type cloner, they require less maintenance and have less room for error. The best ones utilize misters & water pumps or air pumps rather than a water pump alone; the constant flow of water on models that use water pumps without misters will slow the rooting process because they keep the rooting medium way too moist.

Really? I think it's pretty obvious from the pics that they really needed the skin on them to root. Also in the new aerocloner came a 1 page instruction sheet. There is only 1 line in the entire page which is all caps. Allow me to read it, and i quote "DO NOT SCRAPE OR SPLIT THE STEM OF THE CUTTING it will not root."

Seems like an interesting instruction coupled with the above pics clearly showing the stem all fatty and swollen where there is still skin, and nothing at all on any of the other ones that had no skin left below the media line.

Perhaps it's not the same for all strains, that being said i'll never be scraping the stems again.

 

[goblyn]

I split and scrape a bit for clones in my aeroponic cloner and they still root. Next time I will try it without and see if they take even faster.

 

[lordjin]

Really? I think it's pretty obvious from the pics that they really needed the skin on them to root. Also in the new aerocloner came a 1 page instruction sheet. There is only 1 line in the entire page which is all caps. Allow me to read it, and i quote "DO NOT SCRAPE OR SPLIT THE STEM OF THE CUTTING it will not root."

Seems like an interesting instruction coupled with the above pics clearly showing the stem all fatty and swollen where there is still skin, and nothing at all on any of the other ones that had no skin left below the media line.

Perhaps it's not the same for all strains, that being said i'll never be scraping the stems again.

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Wow, this is really educational. Thanks for doing this.

 

[AzCannaMan]

I split and scrape a bit for clones in my aeroponic cloner and they still root. Next time I will try it without and see if they take even faster.

Check it out and let us know.

Wow, this is really educational. Thanks for doing this.

No prob, just trying to share whatever I can learn through these kind of experiments. The best part is whoever reads this can look at the pics and draw their own conclusions.

 

[lordjin]

No prob, just trying to share whatever I can learn through these kind of experiments. The best part is whoever reads this can look at the pics and draw their own conclusions.

You're an asset to the community.

 

[upinthemguts]

All cuts and inside the dome will be sprayed 3 times a day with very light nutrient solution comprised of mostly Canna Rhizotonic which is their rooting product. I'm using the Canna lineup so thats what they are getting. ]

the hydro shop I go to taught me a way to.clone a plant I had that I was having trouble with cloning. You take two clear plastic cups, put about 5 hydroton in one take the other and fill it with coco and 1/4 strength rhizotonic and 1/4 base nutes cut holes in the bottom of this cup for draining into the second cup. Insert the second cup into the first so it is sitting on the hydroton. Poke a hole into the moist coco insert your clone directly into it and water lightly until it starts to trickle into the first cup. Place in a humid dome for a few days and within two weeks you will see strong roots through the clear cup. This method gives me 100% success, even when my temps got into the high 80's F.

 

[AzCannaMan]

the hydro shop I go to taught me a way to.clone a plant I had that I was having trouble with cloning. You take two clear plastic cups, put about 5 hydroton in one take the other and fill it with coco and 1/4 strength rhizotonic and 1/4 base nutes cut holes in the bottom of this cup for draining into the second cup. Insert the second cup into the first so it is sitting on the hydroton. Poke a hole into the moist coco insert your clone directly into it and water lightly until it starts to trickle into the first cup. Place in a humid dome for a few days and within two weeks you will see strong roots through the clear cup. This method gives me 100% success, even when my temps got into the high 80's F.

Great input, especially for us Coco growers! Thanks for sharing

 

[upinthemguts]

Should have posted this with my first comment, see what iPhone format texting is doing to society? Haha. But, anyway. I read this on someone else's page, but it sounds very effective. If you hang your air pump (for your air stones) on an a/c unit or on an a/c vent the air sucked in will be at a much lower temperature thus cooling your reservoir once the colder air bubbles in through the stones. You would end up with some extension cords and tubing going all over the place, but it should be just as effective with a longer air hose. good luck. Loved reading your experiments btw. I love doing experiments myself.

 

[AzCannaMan]

Should have posted this with my first comment, see what iPhone format texting is doing to society? Haha. But, anyway. I read this on someone else's page, but it sounds very effective. If you hang your air pump (for your air stones) on an a/c unit or on an a/c vent the air sucked in will be at a much lower temperature thus cooling your reservoir once the colder air bubbles in through the stones. You would end up with some extension cords and tubing going all over the place, but it should be just as effective with a longer air hose. good luck. Loved reading your experiments btw. I love doing experiments myself.

That is GENIUS! Only prob is my AC unit is in the bloom room and it wouldn't be easy to run a line between the two... But that may just be something to figure out, it could also work for the Res's in the bloom room which would be sweet! Nice! Rep+

 

[AzCannaMan]

Well guys the 1 clone that rooted i haven't killed quite yet, wanted to see how rooted it would get, man it's taking off! I'll post another pic tomorrow night of her...

 

[|B3RNY|]

Really? I think it's pretty obvious from the pics that they really needed the skin on them to root. Also in the new aerocloner came a 1 page instruction sheet. There is only 1 line in the entire page which is all caps. Allow me to read it, and i quote "DO NOT SCRAPE OR SPLIT THE STEM OF THE CUTTING it will not root."

Seems like an interesting instruction coupled with the above pics clearly showing the stem all fatty and swollen where there is still skin, and nothing at all on any of the other ones that had no skin left below the media line.

Perhaps it's not the same for all strains, that being said i'll never be scraping the stems again.

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I've rooted many clones before, with skin and without it. Every cloning tutorial in the world, just about, uses the split or the skinning. I don't split mine but I used to skin the hell out of em. That is not why your cuttings didn't root. People root skinned stems every day. Those stems just show rot, from being moist without roots. You can't really see the whole sentence in the pics, but I believe you about that. I was just trying to help... I know that's not what the problem was. I've cut some skin off every strain I've rooted so far, usually doing around half-n-half. But I usually don't see a difference either way, see Jorge Cervantes says the unskinned cutting will root a TINY bit faster but the skinned stem will produce more individual roots. Your problem in this cloning method is something else, I do think you'll do better with an aerocloner though. At least until you get the hang of the whole rooting process.Realize that most guides, books and tutorials say that cuttings will root in 14-28 days; not everyone is going to get really fast cuttings until the environment is ideal for the rooting process. You should be taking care of temperature, humidity, light levels, nutrients & irrigation and not allowing the medium to dry throughout the entire process. If nothing else, try the same exact method again only do not skin the stems and see what kind of results you get.