enjoying your three day weekend?

[BA142]

Bucky does here all the time. I guess he's allowed since he's a hard core Democrat and we all know who started the KKK.

Both parties have done a complete 180 since then. The Republicans used to be good....now they just want a theocracy and are notoriously bad with social issues.

 

[beenthere]

Yea! fuck minimum wage too! and safety glasses, respirators, we don't need em!
And just so I don't hinder the profits for the company should I die on the assembly line,
my 14 yr old is ready to push my dead body out of the way to take my place.
We can eliminate this unemployment by killing off the older workers, (they don't make much noise).

Minimum wage; covered by state and federal labor laws.
Safety glasses; covered by state and federal labor laws.
Respirators; covered by state and federal labor laws.
14yr old son working on an assembly line: covered by state and federal labor laws.

Sleeping on the job; covered by union protection.
Slow and lazy workers; covered by union protection.
Working while under the influence; covered by union protection.
Faking injuries for workers comp claims; covered by union protection.

 

[canndo]

We have no problem being in high rises and crossing bridges - thanks to Unions. I found out some things this Labor day about Unions I never knew - (I was in the paint and varnish makers union long long loooong ago - for a hot second)


Who trains apprentaces and journeymen? Unions.

Where do most inspectors come from? Unions

How was the middle class established and maintained? Unions


I didn't know that up until fairly recently Republicans were as pro union as Dems.

 

[NoDrama]

How was the middle class established and maintained? Unions

Makes no sense, in China there is a middle class and unions do not exist there. Explain how only unions can make one a middle class person. I am a middle class person and I do not belong to a union, never have, explain how this is possible if what you say is true.

 

[canndo]

Makes no sense, in China there is a middle class and unions do not exist there. Explain how only unions can make one a middle class person. I am a middle class person and I do not belong to a union, never have, explain how this is possible if what you say is true.

When I was in that paint and varnish making union - I worked at a rather large paint making plant. Whenever our contract was signed, strangely, the paint plant down the street which was non-union gave their employees the same raise.

What a coincidence eh?

 

[NoDrama]

When I was in that paint and varnish making union - I worked at a rather large paint making plant. Whenever our contract was signed, strangely, the paint plant down the street which was non-union gave their employees the same raise.

What a coincidence eh?

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. The Union my uncle worked for never gave raises, so he quit and went to work for a non union company. There, my story trumps yours, care to go another round?

 

[Grandpapy]

Makes no sense, in China there is a middle class and unions do not exist there. Explain how only unions can make one a middle class person. I am a middle class person and I do not belong to a union, never have, explain how this is possible if what you say is true.

Like this.....http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/26/news/economy/china-middle-class/index.htm

In china, you are a king!

 

[canndo]

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. The Union my uncle worked for never gave raises, so he quit and went to work for a non union company. There, my story trumps yours, care to go another round?

It was meant to illustrate how you could benifit from a union shop - Unions instituted the weekend and non-union shops were forced to follow suit or lose their employees to unions.

The more unions are marginalized the more income for workers will remain flat or even fall. Workers have no leverage when they negotiate individualy.

 

[beenthere]

Who trains apprentaces and journeymen? Unions.

Where do most inspectors come from? Unions

How was the middle class established and maintained? Unions

Unions train apprentices, only if they are union apprentices canndo. LOL

I'd like to see where you get your information that most building inspectors came from unions, in CA. most of them were contractors before becoming inspectors, many others are fresh out of college!

As far as unions creating the middle class, that's huge stretch my friend.
I'd put my money on the post WWII industrial boom, not the unions.

When I was in that paint and varnish making union - I worked at a rather large paint making plant. Whenever our contract was signed, strangely, the paint plant down the street which was non-union gave their employees the same raise.

What a coincidence eh?

A real coincidence my friend, because in your previous post you admitted being in a union for only a "hot second" Now you claim you were in the union long enough to track raises in non union companies correlating with new union contracts!

How's that?

 

[Grandpapy]

Anecdotal evidence means nothing. The Union my uncle worked for never gave raises, so he quit and went to work for a non union company. There, my story trumps yours, care to go another round?

I worked for Amax in Co. They owned two mines, Henderson and Climax. Climax was union, Henderson were I worked non union, they paid us 1% over union scale so we wouldn't go union.
My point? Amax was still making money paying us above union scale, but more importantly they weren't causing any social strain on our economy as Walmart does today.

 

[Grandpapy]

Makes no sense, in China there is a middle class and unions do not exist there. Explain how only unions can make one a middle class person. I am a middle class person and I do not belong to a union, never have, explain how this is possible if what you say is true.

I'm sorry, I don't see how changing my $18.00 an hr. union wage to a $12.00 non union job without bennies, is going to be better for my family or "America".
Please explain.

 

[Rob Roy]

I'm sorry, I don't see how changing my $18.00 an hr. union wage to a $12.00 non union job without bennies, is going to be better for my family or "America".
Please explain.

Okay, I'll give it a try....

So there's this guy, he's homeless and needs a job. What if he could do your job just as well for $12. Should he get the job or should you have a lifetime lock on it? Should the owner of the business you work for be forced to keep you on in all circumstances? If so, does he REALLY own the company ?

 

[ink the world]

Okay, I'll give it a try....

So there's this guy, he's homeless and needs a job. What if he could do your job just as well for $12. Should he get the job or should you have a lifetime lock on it? Should the owner of the business you work for be forced to keep you on in all circumstances? If so, does he REALLY own the company ?

Better yet, why not just pay someone in India $6 an hour and really boost profits... Profit first right?

 

[Rob Roy]

Better yet, why not just pay someone in India $6 an hour and really boost profits... Profit first right?

Does the person in India get the job thru a consensual interaction with the business owner or not? I believe first interactions should not rely on force. Whatever profit a person makes is not my concern if they have acquired it by noncoercive means.

 

[NLXSK1]

Better yet, why not just pay someone in India $6 an hour and really boost profits... Profit first right?

Do you believe in a law that forces company owners to hire Americans?

If so, shouldnt you be against amnesty for illegals as it provides non-americans with jobs for cheaper wages?

 

[canndo]

Okay, I'll give it a try....

So there's this guy, he's homeless and needs a job. What if he could do your job just as well for $12. Should he get the job or should you have a lifetime lock on it? Should the owner of the business you work for be forced to keep you on in all circumstances? If so, does he REALLY own the company ?

Management of that company consentualy agree with a union that a portion of that bargan that they both freely enter into that a union member is to remain employed regardless of his disposision. You hold consentual bargains as sacred and yet now you claim that they are not. No gun is held to managment, and no gun held to the union reps regardless of how you may construe the circumstances of the original arrangement.

Public unions are not the same - I have trouble with the concept of public unions as both parties are not free, but if we talk about private unions and private business, you don't get to claim that the contract is only valid when it meets your expectations.

 

[Grandpapy]

Okay, I'll give it a try....

So there's this guy, he's homeless and needs a job. What if he could do your job just as well for $12. Should he get the job or should you have a lifetime lock on it? Should the owner of the business you work for be forced to keep you on in all circumstances? If so, does he REALLY own the company ?

Ok, what just happened.
Oh, I'm homeless, along with my wife and children.
Oh, That dude that just got the job, just broke his leg. but has no Ins.
Yes, you do own your company and the quality of life of those you employ.

 

[Rob Roy]

Management of that company consentualy agree with a union that a portion of that bargan that they both freely enter into that a union member is to remain employed regardless of his disposision. You hold consentual bargains as sacred and yet now you claim that they are not. No gun is held to managment, and no gun held to the union reps regardless of how you may construe the circumstances of the original arrangement.

Public unions are not the same - I have trouble with the concept of public unions as both parties are not free, but if we talk about private unions and private business, you don't get to claim that the contract is only valid when it meets your expectations.

Okay....but where did I say a private business should not be held to obligations it made of its own free will?

 

[Rob Roy]

Ok, what just happened.
Oh, I'm homeless, along with my wife and children.
Oh, That dude that just got the job, just broke his leg. but has no Ins.
Yes, you do own your company and the quality of life of those you employ.

So a business owner is responsible for the "quality of life" of a person he contracts with for employment? How far does this go? I think the business owner is responsible for fulfilling the terms he agreed to, nothing more or less. That "quality of life thing"... Is that a term of their agreement they both agreed to or did you just toss that in there because it makes you feel good?

The dude broke his leg. How is that relevant? Did he break it on the job, or did DEA agents do it to him?

 

[bedspirit]

Minimum wage; covered by state and federal labor laws.
Safety glasses; covered by state and federal labor laws.
Respirators; covered by state and federal labor laws.
14yr old son working on an assembly line: covered by state and federal labor laws.

Sleeping on the job; covered by union protection.
Slow and lazy workers; covered by union protection.
Working while under the influence; covered by union protection.
Faking injuries for workers comp claims; covered by union protection.

Damn. That sounds like a kick ass union contract. I can't believe any employer would sign that shit, but one must have because I know you would never post things that you pulled out of your ass.

If an employer did sign something like this, why would the union take responsibility for it? If I pay union dues, their job is to get me the best fucking deal they can get me. Why aren't you instead berating retarded business owners who sign crappy deals and then try to blame the union for their own stupidity?