dirtyheaddustin
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very clever set up. i started around the same time as you did. interesting to see your techniques you will use. what strain did you say your using?
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Matchbox
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Yeah you get 4 main colas and you do the same tucking under etc with all of the side shoots off of those main colas, so you have a LOT of bud sites and an even flat'ish screen of... well... green lol. I can pretty much guarantee you'll have problems IF you overfill your screen. An overfilled screen is LESS productive than an underfilled one so bare that in mind.
Once you top the main stem stops growing and the side ones kind of take it's place so you don't need to aim it anywhere, just point the 4 main ones (once your plant recovers) towards each corner. XD
My space is only about 40cm Deep x 80cm High x 95cm Wide. I have a 250w HPS, after this grow I'll be upgrading to a 400w HPS or a 400+ watt LED, pushing this cab to the utter limits of production. I also have a 90w UFO (LED light) and a 45w Fluoro tube under the canopy, just 'cause it was there for veg and I can't get it out lol, might as well have some more side lighting.
One last thing, next time you might want to start with fem seeds or a definite female clone, it's always such a bitch wasting all that time on a male.
Other than that, be gentle with the girls and take it slow and steady.
Stay Frosty!
mr.lightgr3en
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DIRTYHEADDUSTIN-WELCOME TO THE THREAD. AN THANKS MY FIRST PC/SCROG. Its a bagseed. So Idk the strain. What's your setup?
MATCHBOX-thanks man you basically covered the past 1 month of researching and trying to understand the scrog method in a paragraph you have been alot of help. And i can't wait to get started on training the plant i love learning new techniques for the cannabis plant =D and yea i know about the fem. Seeds anor clone. I'll probably do a clone off of a bagseed pineapple express a friend of mine gave me wich i have a under 400wmh bulb for vegging.
Lol funny i want to sell my 400w for a 250w ..cus my light bill comes pretty high!!
How much of a difference does a 250w do on your bill?
MATCHBOX-thanks man you basically covered the past 1 month of researching and trying to understand the scrog method in a paragraph you have been alot of help. And i can't wait to get started on training the plant i love learning new techniques for the cannabis plant =D and yea i know about the fem. Seeds anor clone. I'll probably do a clone off of a bagseed pineapple express a friend of mine gave me wich i have a under 400wmh bulb for vegging.
Lol funny i want to sell my 400w for a 250w ..cus my light bill comes pretty high!!
How much of a difference does a 250w do on your bill?
polyarcturus
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you need to try to FIM(google it) if you fuck up well then you topped, when you said of course first set of 3 blade leaves. if you humidity is low it sould be fixed when you add the co2 since it will be warm and warm up the water you using to measure the co2 production thus humidifying the air. as far as how long to veg 4-6 weeks should be plenty, i would run and 16/8 or 18/4(preferred) schedule all the way till then no need to change wont make a difference probably will stunt the plants a few day. then just make a straight switch to 12/12.
after you FIM or top or both, continue to do so on each branch as soon as possible, most of you growth will be in flower because you not vegging the plant properly(due to space constraints obviously)
a 400w is about 20$ a mo. a 250w is about 12$ a mo. stick to the 400w they are very effcient with power usage and more light "density/intensity" than a 250w.
after you FIM or top or both, continue to do so on each branch as soon as possible, most of you growth will be in flower because you not vegging the plant properly(due to space constraints obviously)
a 400w is about 20$ a mo. a 250w is about 12$ a mo. stick to the 400w they are very effcient with power usage and more light "density/intensity" than a 250w.
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dirtyheaddustin
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yo man take a look at what i got going on my thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/stealth-micro-cab-growing/560421-pc-grown-box-1st-attempt.html
i had a nute burn to start it off (my own fault) but yeah mines bag seed also.
do you recommend scrog over other methods?
Matchbox
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Looks like a nice little box. And for small spaces I would say only use ScrOG, keeps the plant low and increases productivity by a fair bit, you don't get monster buds but that's not the point of ScrOG you get lots of tasty little nugs instead XD
mr.lightgr3en
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hey thanks for passing by my thread. and yea i added the diy co2 lastnight except mine reacted instantly lol...1 problem the bubbles go down quick at this time is it still putting out co2 i know everytime i shake it it does because a little water bubbles goes through my tubeing. but idk i dont think i should be shaking it alot?(water is not going through my tubbing just a little of water air bubbles from the shaking)
also it did over fill a little and since i have the tubeing on top of my plants a little landed on the leafs like a drip (would it damage it) and i did take a before picture so hopefully i get to see the diffrencce
. and as for topping still really confused on whats the best topping technique for a pc/scrog. i am really intrested on the 4 main colas just like (matchbox) said. but your saying to fim the rest right the rest of the shoots that the main colas put out?i took look at your grow nice setup man subd. and yea man never use nutes for seedling let it wait till week 2 or 3 and start intruducing it little by little. well good luck on your grow man will be checking in too. happy growing.. i cant recommend scrog because ive never done it but from my research and help from riu people. scrog would be ideal for a small space! goodluck
hey matchbox sorry if i seem like such a bother but here is what i read on uncle bens thread.
so if i want the 4 main colas wich i do lol..i let my plant get to its 5-6 node and then i top it all the way down the main stem to its 2 true node. within 24hrs the new growth will be visible? my question is (do i have to wait till it gets to its 5-6 node or can i just top it as soon as it gets to its 2node wich is the 3 bladed leaf set. and like polyarcturus said should i fim/top the other shoots that the main colas shoot out. and thanks matchbox for all your help i really wanna do this grow right since its my first scrog i wanna learn everything thier is to know about. have good day happy growing growers!!
polyarcturus
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yeah fimming will give you the fastest growth time and the most amt of colas for you small space.
sugar yeast water wont hurt the leaf so long as you wiped away otherwise you might find a burnt spot :/
and the water mixing between the 2 bottles isnt gonna hurt nothing.
sugar yeast water wont hurt the leaf so long as you wiped away otherwise you might find a burnt spot :/
and the water mixing between the 2 bottles isnt gonna hurt nothing.
polyarcturus
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i would like to also point out in addition to fimming you should scrog, you can do both.
and in ideal conditions you would not a get a 3 bladed leaf you would get a 5, but thats normal not everyhing can be done perfectly either node is fine its gonna be the amount of delay though i would rather get it done early personally.
and in ideal conditions you would not a get a 3 bladed leaf you would get a 5, but thats normal not everyhing can be done perfectly either node is fine its gonna be the amount of delay though i would rather get it done early personally.
mr.lightgr3en
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So fimming will delay my growth for scrog wich is better fimming or topping. Doesnt topping give you 2 kinda sorta main stems and what does fimming do give you alot more shoots with bud sites right????
Sorry i really wanna get this down and straight thanks.
Sorry i really wanna get this down and straight thanks.
polyarcturus
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like i said topping or fimming will stunt growth, fimming is the lesser of the 2. fimming will give you 3+main colas topping will give you 2. fimming is faster and will give you more main coals.
the good thing about a FIMing tho is if you fuck it up, you will have just topped it therefore there is no way for you to fuck up from here
the good thing about a FIMing tho is if you fuck it up, you will have just topped it therefore there is no way for you to fuck up from here
mr.lightgr3en
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That makes alot of sense so I went to read more about uncle bens topping and fimming. And like I was telling (MATCHBOX) I guess I have to let it grow till its on its 5node then TOP it a little over the top of the 2nd true node. Then the main stem will grow 4 main colas and then im guessing im going to fim the shoots those main colad shoot out am I right. =)
polyarcturus
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just depends opinions vary i would top below the node its currently growing just because that leaves more plant to recover. you know how to fim right? you could just fim everything, this means youwill get to keep the main cola, plus whatever colas else grow. and like i said if you fuck up it just as is you topped it at the very top node thats a FIM FIM aka topping
mr.lightgr3en
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Well lets see how this grow goes. gonna put some udates tommorow night. and ill show you were i would first fim. then ima let get too a certain height and top the main stem so i can get 4 colas i really want to do this 4 colas/fiming thing excited i really home its female!!! thanks for all your help man. and the co2 really does a change on temps lol i turned off the exhaust during lights off so the co2 would stay in a longer period of time. and i forgot to turn them on at lights on temps when up to 95 the hieghst its ever been lol. babys are ok though pointing up but temps are back down to the 70s. thanks man happy growing
Matchbox
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No you don't have to wait until the plant gets to it's 5-6th node you can do it as soon as it gets to the 2nd true node maybe a little taller so you can see what your doing FIM is good but I don't do it (not for any particular reason just topping works every time for me : )
Fimming was 'invented' by someone who messed up topping a plant and went F.UCK I. M.ISSED lol
Either way will stunt the plant but they bounce back really well, I tend to let them grow high enough to top then actually top them give 1 week recovery and flip to 12/12.
You can top for 4 colas works every time, I don't like having the main stem around because it's just an extra bitch to train, at least with topping you get 4 blatant areas of growth that are easy to see/trainlike i said topping or fimming will stunt growth, fimming is the lesser of the 2. fimming will give you 3+main colas topping will give you 2. fimming is faster and will give you more main coals.
the good thing about a FIMing tho is if you fuck it up, you will have just topped it therefore there is no way for you to fuck up from here
CO2 in a little 2 litre bottle or whatever, in my opinion isn't really worth the effort just doesn't provide high enough ppm's in the air, and if your ventilation is running it sucks most of the CO2 out anyway, best used for air tight rooms and 'proper' CO2 rigs with valves and the like
(If only I had one of those lol).If your mixture bubbles a lot you've probably put too much yeast in the sugar, you want about 1 part yeast to 2 or 3 parts sugar, the more yeast you have the sugar gets eaten too fast and the yeast dies, you can just keep adding a spoonful of sugar every time the bubbles slow down, this keeps the yeast alive for longer. And CO2 allows plants to withstand higher temps and still be productive, because the hotter the environment the faster it consumes CO2.
Stay Frosty!
polyarcturus
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check out my journal guys, yeah i got one of them CO2 rigs, not as expensive as you think, but well worth the investment in a larger grow area
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/563027-polyarcturus-5star-general-thread.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/563027-polyarcturus-5star-general-thread.html
indoormania
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I'm struggling to get the right pots for my pc setup, so I found this..will this be enough to grow 2 scrogs in this pc??
Otherwise this is what I have then
Otherwise this is what I have then
herbal.experience
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hey indoormania.
i would go with the biggest pots i can fit the the pc.
just remember that:
bigger pots = more root growth = bigger plants.
i would go with the biggest pots i can fit the the pc.
just remember that:
bigger pots = more root growth = bigger plants.
indoormania
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Yes that was my first thought aswell..but the black ones are deeper? Someone said to me once on this site that rather go for deeper the wider pots? But I also thought the bigger ones..cool thanks! And another question, I have 200w in my signature grow, but I can only fit 2x65w daylight cfl in there..that won't to it for 2 weeks veg and then 12/12 in a scrog right? Or will that be enough?