Asvanced nutrients PH perfect?????

[tree king]

Voodoo is a waist you can brew compost teas that will do the same or better!

For ph perfect my resipe is

Grow 13ml per gal
Micro. 13ml per gal
Bloom. 13ml per gal

Bid bug. 2ml. Per gal
B52. 2ml. Per gal
Overdrive. 2ml. Per gal
Sensi a/b. 2ml. Per gal

One thing to know everytime i have tryd to use AN
Without sensi cal I get a def.

hellraizer i got a few questions for you.

1. do you only use ro water and thats why you get deficiencies without sensi cal or does the same thing happen with tap water?

2. what was happening to your plants/leaves etc when deficiencies were showing in flower? i wanna be able to spot whats going on myself if this happens to me

3. do deficiencies show with both the grow and bloom?

 

[tree king]

hellraizer can you or someone else help me out. are these the deficiencies that happen from not adding sensi cal? they started showing in veg with the 2 part by itself at 600ppm. after that i upped the nutes to 900 but its not going away. ph is on point at 5.6 and my tap water starts at 85 ppm
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[hellraizer30]

hellraizer i got a few questions for you.

1. do you only use ro water and thats why you get deficiencies without sensi cal or does the same thing happen with tap water?

2. what was happening to your plants/leaves etc when deficiencies were showing in flower? i wanna be able to spot whats going on myself if this happens to me

3. do deficiencies show with both the grow and bloom?

I use tap water

The def show as rust spots common with a mag cal issue.

 

[hellraizer30]

hellraizer can you or someone else help me out. are these the deficiencies that happen from not adding sensi cal? they started showing in veg with the 2 part by itself at 600ppm. after that i upped the nutes to 900 but its not going away. ph is on point at 5.6 and my tap water starts at 85 ppm
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That look like nute burn

 

[tree king]

That look like nute burn

yeah? well it started at 600ppm and this strain can handle alot of nutes so im guessing its not burn but i dont know you would know better than me. theres no serious tip burn though? the weird thing is i got like 25 plants on the same tray and only 2 of the plants are showing the deficiency.

ive been having this problem to in late flower with some leaf drop and im trying to figure out what it is. the leaves turn brownish yellow and then fall off

 

[hellraizer30]

Are all your plants the same strain?

And you have double checked your ph pen?

 

[tree king]

Are all your plants the same strain?

yup theres 5 different phenos though. the plant i took a picture of is one of 6 of the same clone. the 5 other ones look fine on the same tray. theres not any real noticable tip burn too on all the plants

 

[hellraizer30]

Burning doesnt have to show in the form of burned tips, each pheno is in a sense a different plant meaning there feeding habbits
can be totaly different

 

[tree king]

just a heads up this is a massive yielding chem d strain named secret recipe. i hear you hr your not completely sure what it is as far as burning or a need to add cal mag?

 

[hellraizer30]

Im really thinking its a burn man

 

[tree king]

Im really thinking its a burn man

hmmm. all the other plants are doing fine at 900 ppm even though the problem started on these 2 plants at 600 ppm dont you think thats kind of weird? i got a few questions for you. what is the highest ec you ever go in flower using advanced? what about your moms? if you had a heavy eating strain what ec would you feed in veg for 1 1/2 ft plants?

 

[mr. green thumb 01]

Tree king- Im really thinking thats too high a ppm for plants that size.

I base MY feeding on the plants size not age. Not saying your going off age but id run 300-400 ppm with a plant that size not 600-800

id flush and start back at 300ppm Good luck

 

[tree king]

Tree king- Im really thinking thats too high a ppm for plants that size.

I base MY feeding on the plants size not age. Not saying your going off age but id run 300-400 ppm with a plant that size not 600-800

id flush and start back at 300ppm Good luck

no doubt thanks. what about in flower whats the highest ec you go? the chem is kind of weird im so used to seeing tip burn and clawing from too much nutes this strain is hard to read. maybe this strain doesnt eat as much as i though

 

[hellraizer30]

hmmm. all the other plants are doing fine at 900 ppm even though the problem started on these 2 plants at 600 ppm dont you think thats kind of weird? i got a few questions for you. what is the highest ec you ever go in flower using advanced? what about your moms? if you had a heavy eating strain what ec would you feed in veg for 1 1/2 ft plants?

If your plants can take it you could go 1100ppm from Rooted clone, but then theres plants that you couldnt go over 600 from start to finish.
its all about learning your strain, and culling out the week ones. Unless your going to run just one pheno you can tailer your nutes
to it. I once had a strain that could take 2400ppm and show zero burn lol.

From what i see you have multible phenos on one flood table and same res, eitherway one of them is going to suffer
do to either trying to make one happy the other will suffer.

 

[tree king]

If your plants can take it you could go 1100ppm from Rooted clone, but then theres plants that you couldnt go over 600 from start to finish.
its all about learning your strain, and culling out the week ones. Unless your going to run just one pheno you can tailer your nutes
to it. I once had a strain that could take 2400ppm and show zero burn lol.

From what i see you have multible phenos on one flood table and same res, eitherway one of them is going to suffer
do to either trying to make one happy the other will suffer.

i gotcha im gonna drop the nutes down to 400 ppm. i appreciate the help now i know what to look for on this specific pheno it turns out this one is probably gonna be my keeper and the rest are gettin thrown out so i guess the one im keepin cant handle alot of nutes. thanks hr

 

[hellraizer30]

no problem bro

 

[mr. green thumb 01]

If your plants can take it you could go 1100ppm from Rooted clone, but then theres plants that you couldnt go over 600 from start to finish.
its all about learning your strain, and culling out the week ones. Unless your going to run just one pheno you can tailer your nutes
to it. I once had a strain that could take 2400ppm and show zero burn lol.

From what i see you have multible phenos on one flood table and same res, eitherway one of them is going to suffer
do to either trying to make one happy the other will suffer.

I go up to 1800ppm with my pineapple express ONLY. Shes seem 2000 and ben fine. But the plants are pretty big at that point. Just because I know that strain.

1000-1200ppm (sorry I dont do EC) honestly is a good MAX ppm for most strains. I run vanillia kush or other kush plants at 1000ppm in MAX flower. All my kush strains seem sensitive. When im cloning and veggin I never need to go over 800ppm No matter the strain. But I dont push them in veg. I dont need to. All about timing for me. I just want a healthy plant in veg. I do push them in the flower room.

Higher ppm wont give you big buds or large harvest. Having big plants with lots of foliage, strong stalks, and massive root systems with a dialed in set up. Once you have those 5 things then blast them with the ppm's. Thats how I get heavy harvest's.

 

[GreenThumbSucker]

Tree king- Im really thinking thats too high a ppm for plants that size.

I base MY feeding on the plants size not age. Not saying your going off age but id run 300-400 ppm with a plant that size not 600-800

id flush and start back at 300ppm Good luck

You should base your feeding on roots, not size. Once a seedling starts branching it is an adult and can handle nutes. What you want are roots. Once clones have hanging roots, they can handles the nutes.

 

[GreenThumbSucker]

hellraizer can you or someone else help me out. are these the deficiencies that happen from not adding sensi cal? they started showing in veg with the 2 part by itself at 600ppm. after that i upped the nutes to 900 but its not going away. ph is on point at 5.6 and my tap water starts at 85 ppm
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These look water logged to me. How often are you flooding? They also look slightly like they are burnt by H2o2. Are you using hydrogen peroxide? If so, use hesitantly when they are little like this.

And, like HR said, make sure your PPM pen is calibrated. If the pen just wont calibrate, get a new one.

 

[GreenThumbSucker]

If you want the same effect as PH Perfect, but without paying double of normal fertilizer, get some potassium carbonate, which is used as PH Up. I have some in solution at 18% of which I use one shot a week, and my PH barely moves.