Question involving LSD (Acid)

[high|hgih]

120ug I think.. On sr they were weaker than I expected

 

[atidd11]

Really. Like are they that shitty?

 

[Skuxx]

Really. Like are they that shitty?

120 mics isn't shitty. That's above average now days. I haven't had the new hoffmans. But I've had them every year prior till 05 or 07, and they are never bad. sometimes they taste bad and I wonder about the authenticity, but the trip always feels like lucy so IDK.

120 mics I wouldn't start with less than 2 though if you want any kind of experience.

 

[skuba]

If it tastes bad it's most likely ALD-52, it's been seeming to replace L. People say it's "like L but without the anxiety," but really it's like L but not as awesome.

 

[Rare D MI]

I feel out of place in this thread now somehow.

 

[atidd11]

Cuz u dont buy cid from vendors maybe?

 

[Indagrow]

hey high, i've got one for you.. when i used to eat a lot of paper, even when i didn't eat it, i could still make myself see shit.. idk, it's kind of hard to explain, but here's what i mean..

if i was alone in say my bedroom i could stare at an object long enough, for instance, my curtains, and i could see them start to breathe and shit like they do when you trip.. it obviously wasn't as defined as when i would trip, but it would be pretty close to say coming up.. i could do that for ages but am no longer able to see these things, which is kind of a bummer to me, lol..

just wondered if anyone else has experienced the same thing i'm talking about or am i the only one??

I have had my fair share and yeah after extended amount of drinking the next day if i stare at say the ground my perifs starts to wobble almost and from there i can make the rest of the ground move its strange almost like those pictures you stare at to see the hidden image... but i have to try to make it happen.. maybe its placebo who knows

 

[MrEDuck]

If it tastes bad it's most likely ALD-52, it's been seeming to replace L. People say it's "like L but without the anxiety," but really it's like L but not as awesome.

And you know this because you've had real samples of both?
ALD-52 hasn't been found in any seized acid since Scully and Sand got busted. They had a good reason to make it, since it wasn't led it was legal, however at the time the only known synth required LSD as a starting material, and as all amount of unchanged drug would remain in the final product. The only reason to make it was that it was legal, otherwise it offers no real benefits over LSD, so no chemist would want to lose some product for no gain. I seriously doubt anyone could tell the two apart in a blind trial.
perhaps the analog abbreviated Z where the two ethyl groups are fused with a methylene bridge forming a four membered ring (anazetitide iirc) would be worth trying from a synthesis standpoint as it has a better binding profile and is a bit more potent in animal models. As far as I know it hasn't been made outside of academic labs. Krystle "neurosoup" Cole claims Pickard made some at the missile silo, but seeing as the DEA says the lab was never active there, and she's a rat and there is no evidence to her story and she was drugged out of her mind the whole time I don't exactly think her testimony is reliable.
There is evidence that some non-LSD ergoloids have circulated. The most famous example is the 1906-2008 Hoffman print released t honor the life of Dr Hoffman. There is a well circulated GC/MS that is quite unusual. There are several oddities that all suggest different things. LSD produces a peak at 324 M/Z that is absent and replaced by one at 326. The only thing tht could cause that would be radio labeling. But I don't know what protons it would make any sense to replace with deuterium. Ultimately I doubt we'll ever know.
while I would wager that LSD chemists outside academia have also experimented with LSD analogs (quite possibly in collaboration with the academics and Sasha in a VERY discrete manner) I don't think many have been made at a commercial scale. We know a lot about LSD and very little about the analogs. Maybe if one did very well in tests done by the chemists inner circle it would be released in a commercial batch to try to monitor feedback (I'm looking at you morpholine), but without that it's out of character for an LSD chemist to do. The profile of an LSD chemist is someone who has a deep belief that LSD is a sacrament, the antidote to the nuclear bomb which was developed at essentially the same time. A tool to aid in our evolution. SACRED WORK! This isn't the kind of person who would release a commercial batch of something they hadn't tested on themselves and close friends first.

 

[Rare D MI]

Cuz u dont buy cid from vendors maybe?

Cause I don't know anyone that would buy drugs on the Internet and eat them not knowing 100% what they are and where they came from.

Wasn't aware there was this huge criminal element to psychedelics again. I thought they were far enough out of the mainstream that they would stay off of these type of operations.

I suspect the L, if they actually do sell real L on these sites is silver, or reconstitute. No way any team of true believers waste the real love on these places.

Thank you MrE for bringing some real knowledge back to this thread. If you can taste it on the paper, it's not L or an alkaloid, it's a research chem. Personally I've never had to deal with situation, but from friend's that buy random paper at festivals, I have learned, "if it's bitter, it's a spitter" just don't eat it.

 

[SmokingTree]

I feel out of place in this thread now somehow.

Common mistake we all make them.

 

[MrEDuck]

Cause I don't know anyone that would buy drugs on the Internet and eat them not knowing 100% what they are and where they came from.

Wasn't aware there was this huge criminal element to psychedelics again. I thought they were far enough out of the mainstream that they would stay off of these type of operations.

I suspect the L, if they actually do sell real L on these sites is silver, or reconstitute. No way any team of true believers waste the real love on these places.

Thank you MrE for bringing some real knowledge back to this thread. If you can taste it on the paper, it's not L or an alkaloid, it's a research chem. Personally I've never had to deal with situation, but from friend's that buy random paper at festivals, I have learned, "if it's bitter, it's a spitter" just don't eat it.

Psychedelics are used by more people than the so called hard drugs. But they're used far less frequently. They're pretty mainstream as far as drugs go.
Why is an anonymous market be a huge criminal element? They're certainly a safer way of conducting business than face to face transactions. And why would the Silver Family be any more or less likely than other true believers to use that as a method of distribution? It's about spreading the message by turning people on in hopes that they have an epiphany? That's what my impression always was. Also you don't need to be a layer to be selling it. And the Family doesn't have the market cornered either. The fact is its a damned good method of distribution. There's a lot of people who will take acid and never go to a jam band show/festival. Are they not worthy of a chance at enlightenment? I don't think so, and I doubt the true believers do either! And this method is far less dangerous to the brave souls trying to spread the love!

 

[SmokingTree]

Psychedelics are life changing magic, or so I look it at it hahaha

 

[Rare D MI]

I agree. Everyone deserves the opportunity to eat truly good pure LSD. It's not any human's place to choose who gets it. The molecule finds you if it's supposed to.

The reason I mentioned the silver family is because recently they're notorious for putting out low quality cheaper bottles on tour. '10 had $200 bottles of silver drop on phish tour. Dirty liquid, speedy unpleasant body buzz, oxidized to a brownish color. Really just about the cash. People eating a hit are fine. But the people that go out and eat 5-10 really didn't enjoy the gripping teeth grinding type high it gave.

 

[Bigtacofarmer]

And you know this because you've had real samples of both?
ALD-52 hasn't been found in any seized acid since Scully and Sand got busted. They had a good reason to make it, since it wasn't led it was legal, however at the time the only known synth required LSD as a starting material, and as all amount of unchanged drug would remain in the final product. The only reason to make it was that it was legal, otherwise it offers no real benefits over LSD, so no chemist would want to lose some product for no gain. I seriously doubt anyone could tell the two apart in a blind trial.
perhaps the analog abbreviated Z where the two ethyl groups are fused with a methylene bridge forming a four membered ring (anazetitide iirc) would be worth trying from a synthesis standpoint as it has a better binding profile and is a bit more potent in animal models. As far as I know it hasn't been made outside of academic labs. Krystle "neurosoup" Cole claims Pickard made some at the missile silo, but seeing as the DEA says the lab was never active there, and she's a rat and there is no evidence to her story and she was drugged out of her mind the whole time I don't exactly think her testimony is reliable.
There is evidence that some non-LSD ergoloids have circulated. The most famous example is the 1906-2008 Hoffman print released t honor the life of Dr Hoffman. There is a well circulated GC/MS that is quite unusual. There are several oddities that all suggest different things. LSD produces a peak at 324 M/Z that is absent and replaced by one at 326. The only thing tht could cause that would be radio labeling. But I don't know what protons it would make any sense to replace with deuterium. Ultimately I doubt we'll ever know.
while I would wager that LSD chemists outside academia have also experimented with LSD analogs (quite possibly in collaboration with the academics and Sasha in a VERY discrete manner) I don't think many have been made at a commercial scale. We know a lot about LSD and very little about the analogs. Maybe if one did very well in tests done by the chemists inner circle it would be released in a commercial batch to try to monitor feedback (I'm looking at you morpholine), but without that it's out of character for an LSD chemist to do. The profile of an LSD chemist is someone who has a deep belief that LSD is a sacrament, the antidote to the nuclear bomb which was developed at essentially the same time. A tool to aid in our evolution. SACRED WORK! This isn't the kind of person who would release a commercial batch of something they hadn't tested on themselves and close friends first.

Correct me if I'm wrong. ALD 52 is just really cleaned up LSD. It quickly degrades back to LSD (Not sure if its just time or heat sensitive or what). I has always thought that the white fluff and needlepoint were ALD 52. I know at the 1995 NM rainbow gathering I did the cleanest liquid ever, and puddles of it, then a few years later in St. Petersburg, FL we had an amazing hook on some liquid of the same quality. Then 3 years ago at Furthur fest in Cali a buddy sent me some paper with the the same stuff on it (called it wrecking crews privates stash). Other than that most of the LSD I have tried has been really similar other than a few bad ones and the occasional RC by mistake.

Am I confused? Is that ALD 52 I love so much? Just wondering.

 

[atidd11]

Wish florida still had the good cid. But from what i understand u can eat piles of real lsd or ald 52 and 99% of people cudnt tell the difference. Ofcourse most people say they cud tell the difference but unles u know who made it u cant be truly sure. Do badically ull never know if its ald 52 u love so much. But tell me y a chemist wud even make ald52 if they can make cid? To fuck with people possibly

 

[skuba]

And you know this because you've had real samples of both?
ALD-52 hasn't been found in any seized acid since Scully and Sand got busted. They had a good reason to make it, since it wasn't led it was legal, however at the time the only known synth required LSD as a starting material, and as all amount of unchanged drug would remain in the final product. The only reason to make it was that it was legal, otherwise it offers no real benefits over LSD, so no chemist would want to lose some product for no gain. I seriously doubt anyone could tell the two apart in a blind trial.
perhaps the analog abbreviated Z where the two ethyl groups are fused with a methylene bridge forming a four membered ring (anazetitide iirc) would be worth trying from a synthesis standpoint as it has a better binding profile and is a bit more potent in animal models. As far as I know it hasn't been made outside of academic labs. Krystle "neurosoup" Cole claims Pickard made some at the missile silo, but seeing as the DEA says the lab was never active there, and she's a rat and there is no evidence to her story and she was drugged out of her mind the whole time I don't exactly think her testimony is reliable.
There is evidence that some non-LSD ergoloids have circulated. The most famous example is the 1906-2008 Hoffman print released t honor the life of Dr Hoffman. There is a well circulated GC/MS that is quite unusual. There are several oddities that all suggest different things. LSD produces a peak at 324 M/Z that is absent and replaced by one at 326. The only thing tht could cause that would be radio labeling. But I don't know what protons it would make any sense to replace with deuterium. Ultimately I doubt we'll ever know.
while I would wager that LSD chemists outside academia have also experimented with LSD analogs (quite possibly in collaboration with the academics and Sasha in a VERY discrete manner) I don't think many have been made at a commercial scale. We know a lot about LSD and very little about the analogs. Maybe if one did very well in tests done by the chemists inner circle it would be released in a commercial batch to try to monitor feedback (I'm looking at you morpholine), but without that it's out of character for an LSD chemist to do. The profile of an LSD chemist is someone who has a deep belief that LSD is a sacrament, the antidote to the nuclear bomb which was developed at essentially the same time. A tool to aid in our evolution. SACRED WORK! This isn't the kind of person who would release a commercial batch of something they hadn't tested on themselves and close friends first.

It's what they called the crystal, I didn't test it so I don't know what it really is/was. It didn't make sense to me why anyone would turn LSD into ALD-52, so yeah, maybe it wasn't.
Anyways people around here and people at festivals in different states have claimed to have the ALD-52. I just like L25, it sucks everyone's running around with RCs.