Should there be a cap on attainable wealth?

Should there be a cap on attainable wealth?

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Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
Padwan...

Are you asking me to give you a list of all the public and private unions in America and what they donated?? Seriously?

Start with the AFL-CIO...

Then look at the union that now owns GM motors, you know, the company that Obama illegally gave to them in a manufactured bankruptcy...
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Exactly as I thought
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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cannabineer said:
It's a dilemma. If you do not make it nationwide, who guarantees consistency? I view consistency of the program, with a deep-pockets guarantor, to be essential in administering a useful aid program.
I see the attractiveness in keeping it local, since local administrators would know where the need is. But then there is also the real problem of equitable distribution. A community like Laguna Beach has great fundraising power and little civic need. In a place like East Oakland, that situation is reversed.
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I don't think consistency is all that important. Costs vary from region to region. Needs vary from person to person. If Laguna Beach can raise 10x what E Oakland can, it's because they have more resources to draw on. If your town/county/community cannot raise what is needed, maybe Laguna Beach will help you out... just don't be taking money away from me, by force, to do it.
It's not a perfect solution but it's a lot better than stealing. The human world is an imperfect place and no amount of government, no amount of regulations, no amount of legislation is going to change that.
Government is force. It is the only reason for government. We establish government to force restitution/penalty when someone does harm. That is why it is wise to keep the beast small in stature and securely chained by... a Constitution, say.
If you unleash the beast to take whatever it wants so that YOU can feel better about those that are in need, then it is only a matter of time before you will find yourself the target of government force.

cannabineer said:
I am not proposing an answer since I do not have one. But imo there is a serious issue here of evenly distributing the resource, whose terrain of origin is uneven, with the civic need, whose terrain is also uneven, but differently. I don't see a quiltwork of uncoordinated local agencies andor charities as equipped to meet the requirement (as I see it) of sending the next grant of funds to the area of need measured/adjudicated as the most severe. It requires an oversight organization of some sort, which will be government or tightly associated with government, which already maintains a small army of civic/social data gatherers.

Other industries maintain such specialists as well, notably marketers and insurers. But the data they gather are held as corporate secrets, intellectual property. So asking business to take over that function does not serve the interests of either business or the community of those eligible for the aid. Would you want to have charity and relief programs administered by someone who has an interest in hanging onto the funds? I do not believe that this is the sort of thing that can be satisfied by making a contract, since I don't trust those with the power ... the business donors/administrators ... to place the client's interest reliably first, and agree to a contract that binds the administrators. cn
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Private industry is held accountable by those that own the industry and profit by it. Profit is not a dirty word. It is what motivates, the promise of improving one's condition. What incentive does a bureaucrat have? He's is going to be there no matter who is in the WH and whether the resources assigned to him are properly allocated, as long as he keeps the paper train rolling along.
But really, none of this matters... it is theft, plain and simple theft. Nothing else matters, if I tried this scheme and got caught, I'd go to jail.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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People should be free to reach their full potential with the caveat that their endeavors don't harsh on anothers person or property. Wealth is not finite. One persons success does not always mean that others are prevented from being successful.
 
Doer

Doer

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NLXSK1 said:
Absolutely!!! Public and private unions contribute far more to elections and manipulation of policy than billionaires do...
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Hoarding wealth??? Not possible in the Tax structure. It has to be invested or you pay through the nose. In the investments you take the risk. Capital is spread, more wealth is made, but, all can be wiped out. Most Lotto winners can't handle it. If you have ever had a bit of wealth to invest in a rental property or something, you know what I mean. Of the others, just ask yourself this. If I gave you $500k, this year, could you show $550K next year? $530K? Or will you freeze and blow it and still have to pay $200K in tax.

Keeping wealth, much less hoarding it is a complicated, and serious job because everyone, including your pal, Madoff, wants to make off with it.
 
Doer

Doer

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And yes we all donate to these Unions, by force, through consumerism and we get a Product and are left to ponder the value.

GM wasn't bailed out. The Union was. If a private sector union was caught with hands in the Ponzi jar, very bad for the Dems base.

A public sector union produces no Product. So, the value is imponderable. It is Zero. So, it is a waste of tax payers money to support a pubic Union that by definition produces no value. For example, what good is the GSA? So, what possible good comes from a GSA union, except to waste our money in conflict of interest with the taxpayers?
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
People should be free to reach their full potential with the caveat that their endeavors don't harsh on anothers person or property. Wealth is not finite. One persons success does not always mean that others are prevented from being successful.
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However, wealth being a relative measure of scarcity, it is more finite than you imply. Most get rich from the efforts and resouces of others - who do not.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
However, wealth being a relative measure of scarcity, it is more finite than you imply. Most get rich from the efforts and resouces of others - who do not.
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It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is....Wealth can be created absent fiat money. I can become more wealthy by "creating" more vegetables, more chickens, more useful items, more information for others etc.

....Still haven't checked in with Dr. Mary Ruart yet I see....
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is....Wealth can be created absent fiat money. I can become more wealthy by "creating" more vegetables, more chickens, more useful items, more information for others etc.

....Still haven't checked in with Dr. Mary Ruart yet I see....
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All wealth is based upon finite resources Rob - ALL of it. Paper money is not wealth, land, diamonds, oil are all representations of potential wealth. You can grow only so many chickens and vegetables on the land you own.

I have a long reading list.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
All wealth is based upon finite resources Rob - ALL of it. Paper money is not wealth, land, diamonds, oil are all representations of potential wealth. You can grow only so many chickens and vegetables on the land you own.

I have a long reading list.
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Okay....then explain space. What if I gain wealth by mining in space....where does space end? :bigjoint:
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
Okay....then explain space. What if I gain wealth by mining in space....where does space end? :bigjoint:
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When you start bringing aluminum and iron and such from the asteroids, then we can talk, until then, the situation is as I described it.
 
blindbaby

blindbaby

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it depends. do you have a job? do you work? or use the system? if you have no ambition, then yes. steal the rich blind, and keep BITCHING. or, think about it like this, "the richer they are, the more jobs they can offer". i take this one. why? never had a job offered to me by a non-wealthy person. the president is doing a good job of ruining our younger people minds with his anti-buisness talk. its what made america. of course, lots, who have no use for "work" are more likely, to be a "occupier" (scums), or just a sign waver. how many times, have i been tempted, to run one of these over ? lots. lol. so. lets destryoy the rest of buisness. and just have the president order some more money/ffood stamp printers?? . p.s. i have not worked in over 18 months. i have not had any income for near 6 mos. fortunatly i was a saver. i have worked hard all my life. on the 12th, i had to be hit with the paddles, to get my heart rythum straint. i have no health ins, either. AND IM NOT COMPLAINGING! nor have i applied for food stamps! i could. i love my meds. and i support urin testes for anyone on ANY goverment, state or otherwise! THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE s.s. retired will be exempt. and ohbama says welfare dont have to look for work now??!! he wants us to be dependant on the gov! so. last week. i got fed up, and purchased a nice ar-15. any rioters enter my home, well. party time. generaly, the thing i dont like about these sites, is a high amount of socialsit minded people. shame. i have found, tho, that kids from conservative homes, generally allways have a strong work ethic, excel in school, join the servive to serve their country. and we have freaks who spit on em and call em baby killers. this is where free speech stops. IN MY PRESENCE! ive told more than a few, while in the store, "your free speech is fine...OUT OF MY EARSHOT! now. say anymore crap agasint my country, ill slap U! and, most have been intelligent enough to listen to me. lol. america. love it or leave it, if u think anywhere else is better! dont vote?-then keep your mouth shut!
 
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beenthere

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canndo said:
All wealth is based upon finite resources Rob - ALL of it. Paper money is not wealth, land, diamonds, oil are all representations of potential wealth. You can grow only so many chickens and vegetables on the land you own.

I have a long reading list.
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How can wealth be considered potential when wealth is measured by possessions already amassed?
 
canndo

canndo

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blindbaby said:
it depends. do you have a job? do you work? or use the system? if you have no ambition, then yes. steal the rich blind, and keep BITCHING. or, think about it like this, "the richer they are, the more jobs they can offer". i take this one. why? never had a job offered to me by a non-wealthy person. the president is doing a good job of ruining our younger people minds with his anti-buisness talk. its what made america. of course, lots, who have no use for "work" are more likely, to be a "occupier" (scums), or just a sign waver. how many times, have i been tempted, to run one of these over ? lots. lol. so. lets destryoy the rest of buisness. and just have the president order some more money/ffood stamp printers?? . p.s. i have not worked in over 18 months. i have not had any income for near 6 mos. fortunatly i was a saver. i have worked hard all my life. on the 12th, i had to be hit with the paddles, to get my heart rythum straint. i have no health ins, either. AND IM NOT COMPLAINGING! nor have i applied for food stamps! i could. i love my meds. and i support urin testes for anyone on ANY goverment, state or otherwise! THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE s.s. retired will be exempt. and ohbama says welfare dont have to look for work now??!! he wants us to be dependant on the gov! so. last week. i got fed up, and purchased a nice ar-15. any rioters enter my home, well. party time. generaly, the thing i dont like about these sites, is a high amount of socialsit minded people. shame. i have found, tho, that kids from conservative homes, generally allways have a strong work ethic, excel in school, join the servive to serve their country. and we have freaks who spit on em and call em baby killers. this is where free speech stops. IN MY PRESENCE! ive told more than a few, while in the store, "your free speech is fine...OUT OF MY EARSHOT! now. say anymore crap agasint my country, ill slap U! and, most have been intelligent enough to listen to me. lol. america. love it or leave it, if u think anywhere else is better! dont vote?-then keep your mouth shut!
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So goes the members of the Church of the Superbly Endowed. If we let the rich have enough money then mabye they will bestow upon us..... JOBS!

Never mind that no one, not the rich nor anyone else will "give" anyone a job (except as someone pointed out, conditions of nepotism).

You have never had a job offered you by the poor, and yet empires are built upon the poor. My fater, whom I have mentioned provided dentures to the poor and he managed to put three children through expensive colleges, buy and sell real estate and even a fast food franchise - which accepted money from poor people and made the operators a decent living. Thank you Poor! Because my father helped them eat, I could eat.

How wonderful that you are bearing the burden of the rich with such dignity and selflessness, more to the rich, you can sustain it, more more more and one day, maybe tomarrow, they will "give" you a job. One day an insurance company who's CEOs have grown enormously wealthy by denying help to ill people will grant you the chance to be insured as well.

But wait, you don't need any stinking insurance, after all, everyone dies right?

Obama does not say "work requirements are waived for welfare" - I see you are feeding from the FOX bowl of lies.
 
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