Should there be a cap on attainable wealth?

[Harrekin]

Well then how do you believe we as a society should determine how much people get paid?

Shouldn't people be paid based on how hard they work, how difficult the work they are doing is, what they are contributing to society, and factors like these?

Businesses generate a set amount of dollars. Therefore we need to have some system of allocating this money among the employees. And it makes sense to me to determine people's salaries by looking at the factors I listed above, and allocating money based on the differences in the work the people are doing.

No, you get paid based on a contract, generally your labour for a preagreed amount of money.

The Government should enforce contracts, not weasel their way into it for even more of the scrilla.

 

[abandonconflict]

I am not talking about the envy aspect. Talking about the ability or lack thereof to put food on the table. Dismiss it as envy for now if you like, but the divide between he rich and the poor is growing greater and the middle is going away. If left to get bad enough, hungry people will eventually eat the rich.

they are better off with gov't redistributing than with a proletarian revolution

 

[abandonconflict]

The truth vs the dupe. People are so easiy fooled. We want to be the sucker. We what to play to power. All, so called power over people finds willing particpants throughout history. The rest are brought to heel by force.

BIG DUPE ALERT

Don't be one. Created wealth is not a Zero Sum Game. This is all high math as a proof, but it is a natural fact. it is what we call economic growth. You do not need Govt. Goyt is for oversight, not wealth distribution. Wealth actually creates itself. Necessity is the driver.

You can sew, I can hunt. I get Beaver pelts. You make gloves and boots, I can do more hunting. You can trade some boots for flint points. I get more Beaver pelts than before. I begin to help brother Beaver with his Fox problem. Fox fur worth MORE PIE. Wealth just created itself. But, I got a nasty bite from a Fox, but it was worth the RISK, for the REWARD. We just saw the opportunity. Fox and Beaver. What else is out there? Maybe bag a Moose now that we can trade for a sled and dogs?

A moose hide is worth even more PIE, but, I could DIE. What is missing?

Currency, Tax, Association, Laws, Dues, LIES. And the moose is not biggest danger.

horrible analogy

Historically, trappers have come very close to causing extinctions often. American Bison for example. Furthermore, your endless growth fantasy does not take into account that this sort of growth has only ever been possible in the age of exploration. This is the global age, resources are indeed finite and the scales have tipped.

It isn't envy of the luxury of the wealthy, it is the sympathy of the plight of the poor, whom you have apparently never noticed.

 

[mastercheetos]

No, you get paid based on a contract, generally your labour for a preagreed amount of money.

The Government should enforce contracts, not weasel their way into it for even more of the scrilla.

But how should this preagreed amount of money be determined? Shouldn't an employee be paid based on the value of the work he is doing (how hard a person is working, how difficult the work is, what it contributes to society, etc.)? And if we all agree on this then it would make sense to determine how rich one person would be based on how poor others are.

I'm not sure what you mean by "weasel their way into it for even more of the scrilla." I'm not suggesting the gov't should just take all of the extra money that everyone makes in excess of the salary cap, and do whatever they want with it. I think business owners could take this money and distribute it throughout the business to the rest of the employees. This way there wouldn't be such disparity between what the employees are paid. I don't think that the current disparities that exist are warranted b/c I don't think that the work billionaires do justify them making such an absurd amount more then other employees. Or maybe in addition to setting a salary cap the gov't could increase the minimum wage by a large amount, and this redistribution would occur naturally. I not sure on the specifics of what the best way to distribute the money that individuals make in excess of the salary cap would be. However, I think that a salary cap and some form of redistribution would be the most fair.

 

[Harrekin]

But how should this preagreed amount of money be determined? Shouldn't an employee be paid based on the value of the work he is doing (how hard a person is working, how difficult the work is, what it contributes to society, etc.)? And if we all agree on this then it would make sense to determine how rich one person would be based on how poor others are.

I'm not sure what you mean by "weasel their way into it for even more of the scrilla." I'm not suggesting the gov't should just take all of the extra money that everyone makes in excess of the salary cap, and do whatever they want with it. I think business owners could take this money and distribute it throughout the business to the rest of the employees. This way there wouldn't be such disparity between what the employees are paid. I don't think that the current disparities that exist are warranted b/c I don't think that the work billionaires do justify them making such an absurd amount more then other employees. Or maybe in addition to setting a salary cap the gov't could increase the minimum wage by a large amount, and this redistribution would occur naturally. I not sure on the specifics of what the best way to distribute the money that individuals make in excess of the salary cap would be. However, I think that a salary cap and some form of redistribution would be the most fair.

The contract is determined when the person gains employment in that job, are you ten?

The Government's primary job (throughout history) is the enforcement of contracts, it's not their job to legislate what those contracts should be. If I get a job for a trillion bucks a year, FCUK off, it's my job, my contract and my money.

Just cos you're envious of the contract doesn't mean you deserve a piece of it.

Fuck salary caps and fuck people telling other people what to do.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The contract is determined when the person gains employment in that job, are you ten?

The Government's primary job (throughout history) is the enforcement of contracts, it's not their job to legislate what those contracts should be. If I get a job for a trillion bucks a year, FCUK off, it's my job, my contract and my money.

Just cos you're envious of the contract doesn't mean you deserve a piece of it.

Fuck salary caps and fuck people telling other people what to do.

Imo, I do deserve a piece of it because it inadvertently affects me, which I neither agreed to or supported in the first place. Whether I worked for it or not is irrelevant, you stole it. You having a trillion dollars of the US economy affects me. Especially since the US economy doesn't equal a trillion dollars. I'm using an inflated example, but the point still stands. Billionaires, millionaires, which exist in groves, hoarding wealth, using 'trickle down' economics is insane. It doesn't create near enough jobs to be put on the list of talking points, and as history has proved, is completely ineffective.

 

[Harrekin]

Imo, I do deserve a piece of it because it inadvertently affects me, which I neither agreed to or supported in the first place. Whether I worked for it or not is irrelevant, you stole it. You having a trillion dollars of the US economy affects me. Especially since the US economy doesn't equal a trillion dollars. I'm using an inflated example, but the point still stands. Billionaires, millionaires, which exist in groves, hoarding wealth, using 'trickle down' economics is insane. It doesn't create near enough jobs to be put on the list of talking points, and as history has proved, is completely ineffective.

Its not your fucking money tho, the economy doesn't belong to you anymore than it belongs to anyone else.

If Commies like you worked a little harder trying to take a bigger piece of it for yourself instead of trying to live off of other people's work, then yous wouldn't all be such broke-asses.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Its not your fucking money tho, the economy doesn't belong to you anymore than it belongs to anyone else.

If Commies like you worked a little harder trying to take a bigger piece of it for yourself instead of trying to live off of other people's work, then yous wouldn't all be such broke-asses.

It's not mine, agreed, It's not yours either. Because you figured out a way to manipulate the economy in your favor to give you more should be illegal, the fact that it isn't and you succeeded means absolutely shit to me. It may not be illegal, but it's definitely immoral, and affects the rest of us who have a conscience accordingly.

Us commies understand that the pie is finite, and not everyone can be millionaires. People like you believe all we have to do is pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, that we're just lazy, and believe we're entitled to others earnings.. If you steal money from the global economy and bitch about me saying something about it, you can go fuck yourself, to be quite honest. If you abuse loopholes and discover how to pay a less % tax rate than the guy who earns less than $16,000/annually, you can straight up go fuck yourself. If you think those under the poverty line will keep silent with this type of bullshit going on, you can G O F U C K Y O Y R S E L F. Welcome to reality, where those that starve don't sit silent and take the ass ramming that the wealthy expect us to.

 

[NLXSK1]

• It's not mine, agreed, It's not yours either. Because you figured out a way to manipulate the economy in your favor to give you more should be illegal, the fact that it isn't and you succeeded means absolutely shit to me. It may not be illegal, but it's definitely immoral, and affects the rest of us who have a conscience accordingly. ​
  
  
  
  

You are talking about communism/socialsm Padwan... We dont want that here in America.

You manipulate a capitalistic society by GETTING A JOB... Jobs are not immoral and the people who work them are not bad.

Laying around complaining that mommy and daddy are not taking care of you any more and you deserve 80K because your banker neighbor makes that much is not moral, it is immoral.

How about you develop a work ethic to go along with that conscience and go make money so you can re-distribute it to the people around you that are less fortunate....

Fucking parasite.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Well then how do you believe we as a society should determine how much people get paid?

Shouldn't people be paid based on how hard they work, how difficult the work they are doing is, what they are contributing to society, and factors like these?

Businesses generate a set amount of dollars. Therefore we need to have some system of allocating this money among the employees. And it makes sense to me to determine people's salaries by looking at the factors I listed above, and allocating money based on the differences in the work the people are doing.

I thought this already happened in the real world.

Managers get paid more than the people under them.

One type of entry level job pays more than another.

Their contributions to society don't mean squat to the boss. The boss cares about contributions to the companies coffers.

 

[mastercheetos]

The contract is determined when the person gains employment in that job, are you ten?

The Government's primary job (throughout history) is the enforcement of contracts, it's not their job to legislate what those contracts should be. If I get a job for a trillion bucks a year, FCUK off, it's my job, my contract and my money.

Just cos you're envious of the contract doesn't mean you deserve a piece of it.

Fuck salary caps and fuck people telling other people what to do.

You guys are retarded. I know the contract is determined when the person gains employment, But HOW should the pay rate in employee's contracts be determined? You don't think that people should be paid for the value of their work? Instead the people in positions of power should be able to inflate their contracts to whatever the fuck they want? And they should be able to exploit everyone who is beneath them by paying everyone else complete shit? That sounds fair to your?

I don't understand how you aren't getting this concept that I'm trying to explain to you, it makes complete sense and I feel as if I have made my point pretty clearly. If you don't agree that people should be paid for the actual work they do, and you think instead that whoever gets on top should be able to fuck everyone else over, then just say so. But don't act like I'm a fucking idiot.

 

[mastercheetos]

I thought this already happened in the real world.

Managers get paid more than the people under them.

One type of entry level job pays more than another.

Their contributions to society don't mean squat to the boss. The boss cares about contributions to the companies coffers.

I would agree that it somewhat happens in the real world. People in a company who have more education, people who work harder, people who's jobs are more difficult, get paid more money. However, I don't think that the current capitalist system employed in the US properly accounts for the differences in the different jobs throughout companies. Sure, accountants, lawyers, etc. working at a company deserve to be paid more than a janitor. However the disparities between these millionaire/billionaire salaries and the rest of the employees are unwarranted. They aren't working that much harder and providing that much more where they deserve to be getting paid X times more than a lawyer/accountant/manager that works for the company. I think that a cap would solve this problem b/c millionaires/billionaires wouldn't be able to exploit their position of power by paying themselves and other high ranking employees whatever the fuck they want. And this would leave more money to pay the rest of the employees what the actually deserve.

 

[abandonconflict]

You are talking about communism/socialsm Padwan... We dont want that here in America.

You manipulate a capitalistic society by GETTING A JOB... Jobs are not immoral and the people who work them are not bad.

Laying around complaining that mommy and daddy are not taking care of you any more and you deserve 80K because your banker neighbor makes that much is not moral, it is immoral.

How about you develop a work ethic to go along with that conscience and go make money so you can re-distribute it to the people around you that are less fortunate....

Fucking parasite.

lol, we do want socialism and it is constitutional. How about you develop compassion to go along with your selfishness...oh wait, they don't go along...

 

[mastercheetos]

lol, we do want socialism and it is constitutional. How about you develop compassion to go along with your selfishness...oh wait, they don't go along...

What I don't understand is how almost everyone in American public supports the current capitalist system we have and hates communism so much, when they are the ones being hurt by communism.

Our capitalist system helps almost no one. It just allows the rich to exploit everyone. The people who are being exploited by millionaires/billionaires are the people on this board bashing our scary communist/socialist ideas. As we grow up we r simply told communism is wrong and everyone who adheres to these principles are evil. But they don't tell anyone why or justify this opinion. Everyone simply buys into this idea like a bunch of sheep. Why does everyone accept what they are told without even considering other possibilities?

 

[canndo]

Not really... The pilot can be the size of a deck of cards now...

If they found an asteroid of solid silver, or platinum, or even copper, it could pay the bill easily.

When aluminum was rare, it was very very valuable - I once had a cigar case made of aluminum that was at the time it was made, worth several thousand dollars.

When aluminum became abundant, the price and value of the metal plumeted to the point where we can afford to build airplanes out of it.


If you managed to get a billion ton hunk of silver down to the earth, all the silver in the world would be reduced in value.

 

[abandonconflict]

What I don't understand is how almost everyone in American public supports the current capitalist system we have and hates communism so much, when they are the ones being hurt by communism.

Our capitalist system helps almost no one. It just allows the rich to exploit everyone. The people who are being exploited by millionaires/billionaires are the people on this board bashing our scary communist/socialist ideas. As we grow up we r simply told communism is wrong and everyone who adheres to these principles are evil. But they don't tell anyone why or justify this opinion. Everyone simply buys into this idea like a bunch of sheep. Why does everyone accept what they are told without even considering other possibilities?

"The changing politics of race made it possible for a revived conservative movement, whose ultimate goal was to reverse the achievements of the New Deal, to win national elections – even though it supported policies that favored the interests of a narrow elite over those of middle- and lower-income Americans"

Paul Krugman, Nobel prize winning economist.

 

[canndo]

Ion drives.

Ion drives will never have the propulsive force to raise anything out of our gravity.

 

[mastercheetos]

You are talking about communism/socialsm Padwan... We dont want that here in America.

You manipulate a capitalistic society by GETTING A JOB... Jobs are not immoral and the people who work them are not bad.

Laying around complaining that mommy and daddy are not taking care of you any more and you deserve 80K because your banker neighbor makes that much is not moral, it is immoral.

How about you develop a work ethic to go along with that conscience and go make money so you can re-distribute it to the people around you that are less fortunate....

Fucking parasite.

Lol, you act like everyone who supports any communist viewpoints is a pathetic lazy fuck who is jobless and living in his parent's basement. This is not true at all, I support some of these viewpoints and I'm not living in my parent's basement. I'm in my last year of law school and should be making a pretty decent living upon graduation. However, just b/c I'm making a decent living doesn't mean I can't think that our system can't be improved upon. The current system allows a small minority of society to exploit everyone else and underpay almost everyone. A salary cap would help prevent the millionaires/billionaires from inflating there salaries to ridiculous levels and would help the rest of society to get paid what they deserved.

This would help you out. B/c I'm assuming you aren't Jimmy Buffet or some other rich ass mofo exploiting the rest of us.

 

[mastercheetos]

"The changing politics of race made it possible for a revived conservative movement, whose ultimate goal was to reverse the achievements of the New Deal, to win national elections – even though it supported policies that favored the interests of a narrow elite over those of middle- and lower-income Americans"

Paul Krugman, Nobel prize winning economist.

good quote

 

[NoDrama]

Lol, you act like everyone who supports any communist viewpoints is a pathetic lazy fuck who is jobless and living in his parent's basement. This is not true at all, I support some of these viewpoints and I'm not living in my parent's basement. I'm in my last year of law school and should be making a pretty decent living upon graduation. However, just b/c I'm making a decent living doesn't mean I can't think that our system can't be improved upon. The current system allows a small minority of society to exploit everyone else and underpay almost everyone. A salary cap would help prevent the millionaires/billionaires from inflating there salaries to ridiculous levels and would help the rest of society to get paid what they deserved.

This would help you out. B/c I'm assuming you aren't Jimmy Buffet or some other rich ass mofo exploiting the rest of us.

You are a dreamer, unless you plan on replacing all of congress with people who somehow believe that limiting potential will help the poor, well it aint EVER gonna happen. Limiting someones potential will only HARM the poor.

Jimmy Buffet is a poor man compared to Warren Buffet.

You are going to have a JD in a year? Ambulance chasing is in your career path.