Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner
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oilmkr420
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Think about the pressure butane has in a can. It's very low @ about 17 psi or so. A high pressure gas cylinder is what I base my extractions @ for personal use. So by unscrewing an empty vessel and adding the weed, ethanol, and butane to help color be desired, the only thing left is adding solid carbon dioxide. A 5lbs tank will call for 1 oz and 45 grams of co-solvent. A 20lbs tank will call for 180 grams of co-solvent and up to 4oz plant matter. I like taking the vessel pre-set then Lco2 cryo-pumped @ the local keg refill station. Takes a lot of the work away. Imagine how much psi your extractions happen, now think what kind of amplification increasing the pressure would have on any solvent. From 17psi, to 1,200 before heat is added. Time it holds residence w the solvent is also a factor. So walrus I know my shit and have been encouraging others for a couple years now about the benefits extracting w carbon dioxide and have been peepin people on game for quite some time. I love haters, but cha can't prove me wrong.
ENDLSCYCLE
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^^Thanks for that!
Why do you add heat???...I thought heat over like 200* was bad for thc.
Why do you add heat???...I thought heat over like 200* was bad for thc.
ENDLSCYCLE
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I wish brother....i wish....
What is your blast rig made from...is it just a small co2 cylinder??? If so I gotta find all my old paintball shit...i've got like 6 of those somewhere.
What is your blast rig made from...is it just a small co2 cylinder??? If so I gotta find all my old paintball shit...i've got like 6 of those somewhere.
oilmkr420
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you can, but won't yield a lot. Your better off w a 5lbs or 20lbs tank and taking it for a fill or filling it yourself w dry ice. It just holds more co2. Scuba tanks have a higher psi than co2 and therefore can increase pressure sometimes maxing out at 3,000-5,000 psi w some tanks. That's how it went from a lab to our backyards. The most flavorful extracts I dubbed "No Choke" or whatever you want to call this shit.
ENDLSCYCLE
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So the tank you first fill with butane and then pressurize with co2 is a scuba tank???...that's one short dive...lol
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
i think what you are forgetting to talk about is why increased pressure is beneficial to solvent extraction. correct me if im wrong but essentially you are making the liquid butane denser using pressure to get a better pull on your herb. is that right? my question is why so much pressure? I make dank BHO using the low pressure in my gas tank.
oilmkr420
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There is several reasons high pressure gas extractions are better. The first is cost. It's way cheaper to buy a can of butane for $3.00, then give it more power through pressure. Weather or not you realize it, butane extracts have a bit off taste due to the odorants used. When used @ a 2% calculated wt wt%, the noticabilty is dramaticly lowered and the taste is not noticable. Esp when ethanol is carefully added to the mix @ 1%, the recoveries are drastically improved along w taste preservation. Its that formula that consistantly beats butane extracts in all aspects, not by my saying so, but all the readers who found me seen for themselves how dank co2 concentrates really are. There hasn't been a mob of people, around 50 or so. They brought their best extracts and pepsi challanged them and they declared me the winner every time. It's a rock solid formula that works. Very consistant, very quick, very tasty extracts are obtained this way. It was the main reason I have been selected to extract caffeine from bitter kola from a very reputable company and Eden is analyzing my extract. If my methods are comparable to Edens, then I landed a job doing what I love. Butane can give worthy results, but co2 doesn't have an inherit taste thing happening. Until you try you'll never really have anything else to compare. Subcritical H2O is an even better candidate than co2.
oilmkr420
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it looks like you guys have alot of experimenting to do. see weather or not you guys can gather up evidence proving me wrong. Theres many ways I've found to extract w co2. Using high pressure cylinders like co2 bottles, oxygen tanks, scuba tanks, mechanical air filters rated 6,000 psi, etc. the best way I've found is to fill tank w dry ice, add weed in the middle/bottom portion of the tank, about the half way point your ethanol should be added, top off w dry ice and gently pack down w wooden dowel or chopstick/plastic pen and no metal should ever be used to ensure no damage done to threads. The last part is to lock it up w a valve and take it to a mother tank w a hose and fill up the freshly packed vessel w dry ice and weed. doing this should raise your tank to near 1,200-2,000psi. Careful w your rated max pressure as some vessels aren't rated for such high pressure and in some instances no heat is needed. Only a room temperature stablization. Your gauge will be the determining factor along w a thermometer. You shouldn't go beyond 149'F or 65C. It's often the cannabinoid fraction is in the lower subcritical region of about 800-2,000psi and going beyond that pressure is only increasing yield not potency. Some of the most dank stuff Ive ever made was when I unscrewed the valve , added weed, the ethanol and butane. I would then take it for a liquid co2 cryo pump at the local keg fill. Awesome top shelf oil is super easy to obtain this way. My first student couldn't believe I was getting away w this so cleanly. Normally results this good required a huge 60:1 pump and a cryo tank of Lco2. This method let me rent one by the refill!!! I also tank to tank fill myself which is cool method. It's really all good how I extract w co2.
oilmkr420
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To bigcarty24, Hey try these methods and you guys will see and know what fire really is and how smooth it really is. Then your wax will be top shelf fire held in the highest regaurds. No disrespect Matt, but these are refined break through new methods that earned it's place and everyone wants to be doing this type of extraction. Low to no costs extra. Lots of growers already have the equipment. So go and try for yourselves and report back. and CO2XTRACTR RIZE UP!!!
oilmkr420
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To answer your question, I go up to 10,000 psi strictly for yield. Digging that deep for cannabinoids comes w a price. To get virtually all the available THC, it ends up diluting the batch w non targeted compounds of interest now in the oil, impossible to remove once it of the becomes a part of the extract. So it is done just to bulk up the product not the potency. Its how I get 6 grams return from stuff already ran w tane once before. It does a more thourough job.
oilmkr420
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lol erieie, my reputation for using co2 is far beyond what I anticipated. If my methods for extracting caffeine compares w Eden labs, then it will be those methods used for deriving desired targeted active ingredients given for the first human study performed by UCLA in benefits of eating Bitter Kola as its claims are as wide as mmj. Its truly an honor to have reached this status. Even if the methods aren't up to par, just the opportunity to bat has achieved more than I had expected when making that cheesy first video of mine. So I laugh at my reputation on here too!!!
This is bitter kola extract @ 200 bar. Relatively low as it is often taken to 10,000 psi, again for yield. I got as high as 7,000 psi w boiling water. So inductive oven is how I will get results using subcritical water reaching temperatures of 705F.
This is bitter kola extract @ 200 bar. Relatively low as it is often taken to 10,000 psi, again for yield. I got as high as 7,000 psi w boiling water. So inductive oven is how I will get results using subcritical water reaching temperatures of 705F.