VEG+BLOOM & Hermies

[PetFlora]

Anybody getting hermies with the new Hydro-Research VEG+BLOOM formula (+ fulvic)?

I am using my exact same F1 cross seeds that I grew using the old V+B formula; those plants were either male or female- no hermies.

This time I used the Fulvic formula from seed, and have at least 2 hermies. I say ‘at least’ because 4 of the plants have not yet shown sex. The 2 hermies looked very much like females- calyxes and pistils, then ~ 2 weeks later, after raising ppm to ~ 500, the dreaded bump showed up (this would also mean an increase in fulvic), and now is/are banana bunches.

HR mentioned that fulvic should be used during flower, so perhaps using it from seed has caused the hermies, or perhaps there is too much fulvic for seedlings

Fairly controlled environment, nothing unusual happened- no stress

pH ~ 5.8

Seedlings @ 200 ppm
Mid veg @ 400 ppm
Now @ 500 ppm

Dunno, just throwing darts against the wall.

I emailed them, but thought it a good idea to mention to all the other users for their input

 

[PetFlora]

"Your genetics would be the source of any hermaphroditism. Veg+Bloom is designed to assist your plant to express it's full genetic potential not change it's genetic makeup."

OK, and I had excellent results last grow under the same HOT% fixture with ~ the same growing conditions/environment. But that batch did not have FA, which HR says should be used during flower.

Guess Ill have to dig a little deeper into FA during veg. Anybody?

 

[tenthirty]

Petflora, That's really interesting.
I've been on V&B for 2 completions so far...........
At the end of flower, I have been noticing the beginnings of seed pods at the base of some buds as well.
I never saw that with Dyna-Grow. It could be something else.......I am not as good a grower as you, but?????
I did torture the plants in various was though.

 

[PetFlora]

Stress can flip the them

Going to be interesting whether either of the led plants hermie, but even then it would not be definitive that it was the fulvic in V&B

 

[jimmy1life]

Well ive been veging with it for months no hermies here

 

[jimmy1life]

Maybe light leaks stress from topping and pinching idk just saying i kno you kno alot about lights. Peace

 

[CaliMackdaddy]

3/4 of my plants this grow hermied using v+b the one plant that didn't was my stable strain ive been growing for years, the rest were from a club. If you have a cut from a fem seed my best guess is itl hermie with v+b but its possible v+b isnt the culprit.

 

[PetFlora]

3/4 of my plants this grow hermied using v+b the one plant that didn't was my stable strain ive been growing for years, the rest were from a club. If you have a cut from a fem seed my best guess is itl hermie with v+b but its possible v+b isnt the culprit.

I reported the scumbag who has spammed my thread. They have all been removed. Hopefully the poster is banned for life

I may have traced the problem back. I won't know until the plants in the two non- lava rock systems reveal their sex (they all look like females), but so did the others.

Probable Cause

I reused lava rock in the 2 Air Pots in my DIY F & D system. I had cleaned/soaked in a bleach solution that probably had too much bleach. I THOUGHT I had sufficiently rinsed it out. Checking the recirculated nutes after a couple days, the pH was ~ 10! The plants looked fine, but I immediately flushed: 48 hours in an extremely high pH could be the cause.

Later, I decided to convert my DIY Bubbler into a pseudo hybrid system by adding a grate for the roots to lie on so as not to soak in the nutes. I then decided to place lava rock on the grate, and drape the roots over the rock. Well both of those plants wilted within 24 hours: one survived, the other is probably dead at this point. The roots turned dark brown. The survivor has new white roots growing out of the old dark root mass. No signs of sex yet.

 

[xxEMOxx]

I do know alot of the newer hybrids, if ran to full potentional or full ripening some tend to hermie out late in flower....

I have always ran a fulvic/humic acid from veg through flower with no problems.... but on some genetics they would show hermie in late flowering..... your showing signs of hermie as early as preflower sounds like genetics or maybe just the uber stress from the bleach like you said..


I havent ran the new V+B with Fulvic yet, although I have gotten a sample of the regular hardwater one which I am liking alot thus far.

 

[PetFlora]

I have 2 other grow methods with same seeds going simultaneously. They have yet to sex. Will know soon whether the problem is isolated, but I am fairly sure. I grew 8 of these seeds last grow with no issues. Stay tuned

 

[CaliMackdaddy]

Going back on this thread i did some deep thinking, i really believe the clubs set you up to fail, at least in my case it seems they do. All my clones in the past year that i bought from the club i shop at has hermied, and my solid genetics not once hermied. I don't blame veg+bloom because the stuff worked for me and the strain that did not hermie loved the stuff.

 

[PetFlora]

Unfortunately, another hermie. This one from my HPA, which has 2 more plants that have yet to sex. Looks like a male and a female in my Hybrid F & D that are acceptable to cross for F2

These were not club clones, they were started from my own seed stock

 

[xxEMOxx]

WHo knows I just had some clones off a plant/mother that flowered amazing well nice fatty tops..... 2 of 3 cuts all taken off the same plant while still in veg male or hermied on me..... idk why as all my stuff is the same and the light timing and stress factors are actually smaller now then before...... Maybe if its your own breeding project/seed stock some of the stabilization issue might not arise for a while. IDK just thinking out loud.