The most over rated strains

[blindbaby]

black widow, is the real white widow. i grew a off shoot ww. they were near tastless. and not that stoney. but i have not tried the real mcoy, black widow.

 

[hotrodharley]

Super Silver Haze. If the one I grew out is an example. Got big, grew tons of buds that stayed airy as hell, tasteless and a poor high. 2 bagseed indicas I grew by her blew her away.

 

[redzi]

Sannies uses SSH in a few of his breeds (shack) and I almost bought a pack of Mr Nice SSH until I found out that they are packed in aluminum/mylar which can present a problem when xrayed by customs. I have some Shack growing in half fox farm half compost and it taste great and the buzz needs no mention. Maybe some of the problem with a few of the strains mentioned is that if your going to grow via hydroponics your taste is likely to suffer. I get why Holland uses hydro, top soil cost $$$$ but whey you can get fox farm's best top soil for less than $20 a large bag then maybe your just a gadget freak or have been mislead by a growshop owner who's priority is to point their customer in the most expensive direction.

terra firma =
hydroponics =

 

[Clankie]

Super Silver Haze. If the one I grew out is an example. Got big, grew tons of buds that stayed airy as hell, tasteless and a poor high. 2 bagseed indicas I grew by her blew her away.

Where did that SSH come from? I've grown Mr. Nice's off and on, and if grown for its full flowering cycle I have never had any of those complaints, its one of my favorites, I just try to restrict myself to one 11+ week sativas. On the other hand, the one grow I saw (in person) of the GHS SSH would have fit those complaints to a T.

 

[Clankie]

terra firma =
hydroponics =

You're a funny guy.
But hydro done well by a professional will blow a soil grow out of the water every time.
Not just in terms of yield, potency, bag appeal, but if given a proper nutrient blend they will have as much, if not more, taste than soil. What I like mainly about hydro is that I can keep my ops as sustainable as possible, and my hydro setups produce no wastewater, and no waste medium or containers.

 

[Jogro]

You're a funny guy.
But hydro done well by a professional will blow a soil grow out of the water every time.
Not just in terms of yield, potency, bag appeal, but if given a proper nutrient blend they will have as much, if not more, taste than soil. What I like mainly about hydro is that I can keep my ops as sustainable as possible, and my hydro setups produce no wastewater, and no waste medium or containers.

I don't "get" it. How can you grow hydro without creating used media? What do you do with your used hydro media, or media you've flushed?

Anyway, in my opinion, there is no significant difference in quality between the best organic and the best hydro. I simply don't believe that either one blows away the other, as proponents of each (usually the organic growers) claim. Ultimately its all about providing what your plants need, and keeping out the bad stuff, and there is more than one way to skin that cat.

But just to be clear here, if you really do care about such things, organic potentially *is* more environmentally friendly.

With organic, you can feed your plants entirely or almost so from composted waste vegetable and other organic material, effectively recycling your trash into buds.

With hydro, even if somehow you never dump your media, the factories that produce the nutes to begin with are still creating chemical waste. You just don't see it.

 

[colocowboy]

A lot of people use RO water too that is like 3:1 waste to remove tds, that is wasteful also.... just saying

 

[hsfkush]

I had a similar experience with my Nirvanas. They grew well, and while one smelled pretty bad, the other smelled glorious. But the decent-smelling one produced strong but quite indifferent smoke, while the other tasted like urinal cake but gave a better high. Neither was a keeper pheno imo. I was disappointed when smoke test time came.
You could very well get lucky! In which case i would praise the pheno but not necessarily the source. i've known big outdoor growers here who grew GHS gardens, had a great time growing it ... then were simply outraged at harvest time. hay smells, Indifferent potency, ~meh~ buzz. Stories like that make me gunshy. Oh how i miss Bros Grimm! Excellent strains, and they were not today's exuberantly unstable polyhybrids. cn

Female Seeds on Attitude have a C99 which is apparently an original cut from Bros Grimm or something along those lines. Although I'm sure you already know this, haha.

 

[yesum]

You're a funny guy.
But hydro done well by a professional will blow a soil grow out of the water every time.
Not just in terms of yield, potency, bag appeal, but if given a proper nutrient blend they will have as much, if not more, taste than soil. What I like mainly about hydro is that I can keep my ops as sustainable as possible, and my hydro setups produce no wastewater, and no waste medium or containers.

I agree that good hydro is good pot and you will grow the plants faster but after that, no better in any way.

With your logic, vegetables should be grown hydro.

 

[Mr. Bubble]

growing food for the masses hydroponically isn't as farfetched as it sounds. just because it isn't the way we do things now doesn't mean it shouldn't be done...

 

[Jogro]

I agree that good hydro is good pot and you will grow the plants faster but after that, no better in any way.

With your logic, vegetables should be grown hydro.

Actually, plenty of vegetables ARE grown commercially with hydroponics, most often (non-cannabis) herbs, and typically in a greenhouse setting:

Eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK4s3e07KLA

Here is a mobile portable garden used for growing leafy vegetables in Qatar. Note the artificial light setup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnycizKw04s&feature=related


Hydro offers certain real advantages for some vegetables, like water conservation, but in general its more expensive to grow that way vs traditional gardening.
If you're growing something that sells for $1000/lb (like undried medical cannabis flowers), spending a few bucks more for hydro isn't a big deal, say compared to growing something that sells for $2/lb like local tomatoes.

 

[yesum]

^^ the tomatoes I used to buy from the store were tasteless, maybe hydro. Or picked too early. Grow my own now in soil.

My point was about taste or potency of buds. No better in hydro and usually worse.

 

[redzi]

"if done professionaly"....exactly..by a "professional" does that mean using one of those nutrient extraction machines where you load you compost and certain microbe$ that is basically strained like a tea to get a concentrate?...I dont know the currrent prices but I have seen those go for well over a grand in the past.

Response to Clankie

 

[Jogro]

^^ the tomatoes I used to buy from the store were tasteless, maybe hydro. Or picked too early. Grow my own now in soil.

Almost certainly not hydroponic, and I don't think this is a good comparison.

Good tomatoes are soft, and therefore fragile and don't transport well over long distances. For the best flavor they also need to picked either ripe on the vine, or just right before (by a few days). As a result truly quality tomatoes generally only make it to local (ie farmers) markets.

In contrast, commercial growers deliberately pick tomato cultivars (strains) that have tough flesh, so they will be resistant to damage during transport, and pick them early so that they have time to ripen over transport (in many cases artificially with exposure to ethylene gas).

So the tomatoes you're going to buy on the shelves of any supermarket are always going to be inferior to home-grown ones, even if picked properly. That's the nature of that crop's market and it has nothing whatsoever to do with hydroponics, per se.

My point was about taste or potency of buds. No better in hydro and usually worse.

Again, you can't generalize what happens with commercial tomatoes to cannabis flowers.

Lots of people truly believe that hydroponically grown vegetables taste better than farm grown ones, and I think if you were to try growing hydroponic tomatoes with your own strain, picking them at peak ripeness, you'd at the very least think there were better than ANYTHING you could buy in any store (if not better than the same exact strain grown in your backyard).

Edit: I'd add that you can grow your hydro tomatoes indoors in the winter, and even if they aren't quite as good as your outdoor grown organic ones, they'll still beat the pants off of anything you'll find on any grocery shelf anywhere from Oct-Feb.

The same thing is true, to a large extent, with hydro. People growing hydro bud commercially for illegal sale are often under the same sort of pressures as commercial tomato growers. They're looking for max turnover, so they'll pick strains that give fast harvests and max yield rather than concentrate on strains that give best flavor and potency. They're not picking individual buds at max ripeness, they're not going to be meticulous about flushing, and they'll also often skimp on drying time and curing. So sure, commercially grown hydro stuff often isn't as good as home grown organic.

However, my experience is that if you compare "apples to apples" grows of the same exact strain grown expertly via hydroponics (including proper flush and optimal cure) vs stuff grown organically under the same artificial lights, the two are nearly indistinguishable from one another to the point where I'm not really sure blinded "experts" could reliably tell the difference.

Empirically, if you look at the stuff that has the highest potency in terms of actual lab testing, most of this actually is grown hydroponically. Again, I don't think this is because the hydroponic growing itself makes the weed stronger, but its just a statistical byproduct of the fact that its the medical stuff that's being tested the most, and this is mostly grown hydroponically. I have seen no empirical evidence to the contrary that hydroponic weed is any LESS potent than organically grown, with both grown indoors.

 

[blindbaby]

this darn 'GREENIE" thing. everything we use, build, or manufacture, comes from the earth. so do we stop living, to protect it? some nuts think so. but, then, they dont work for a living, so its easy to chastize the logical amoung us. lol. i have just used soil. i have heard it is most natural. the one thing i dont like, is i cant leave for more than two days, or they dry out. maybe i should invest in a auto water setup, for such times. nothing is wasted. mother earth recycles everything. lots of products are organic. they just dont pay the extra, to have the "privilege" of putting "organic" on their lables. so then we think its not organic. all comes from the earth. crude oil is organic. so is natural gas. non- organic, comes from chemical makers, who refine stuff. three out of four blind taste tests, people say the non-organics taste better than the organics. so im a believer, that al gore is the worlds best con man, right next to our soon to be ex communist. i mean ex el'president'e. the old vietnam era hippys have finally outlived their usefullness, if they ever had any. im still here. but i grew up. i have to laugh when i hear all this organic b.s. i think using compost, and such, is a great idea. but with it, comes bugs. my organic potting soil, comes complete, with free fungus gnats! so i cook the soil. lol. now, the dead gnats are now compost.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Quality isn't determined by the medium (hydro vs soil), it's determined by the skill of the grower and how they feed and care for their plants.

 

[thecoolman]

perfect time for this thread to get bumped i just posted this in the experience with sannies seeds thread

all i know is killing fields is the most overrated strain ive ever grown. it was a very week high and everybody was complaining about it. i cant believe how many people rave about that strain. after months of time wasted il never order from sannies again. 22% thc my ass. dont believe the hype people, i think sannie is breeding for mostly taste and yield and dont care about potency like us americans do. remember where you heard it first

i straight up grew out 60 seeds of the f2's and had a huge amount of phenos. none of them were impressive. there was 3 main ones the dark purple one thats grapey perfume, the one that starts out purple but ends up being green when dried that had the jack smell, and the green pheno that was straight jack. do you consider blubonic to be a great high potency strain? the blubonic i grow was so much more potent than killing fields. on top of that the chemdog double d was much more potent than the blubonic lol. so you can just picture where killing fields stands in the scheme of things. the funny thing is the looks of kf was so much better than anything else it looked insane. ive never had weed that looked so good but had barely any potency it seems like sannie was just looking at yield, taste, and looks and nothing else. i will admit though the taste was bomb

Couldnt agree more the killing fields looks pretty growing but sucks big time!~

 

[tree king]

Couldnt agree more the killing fields looks pretty growing but sucks big time!~

yes sir you are correct! seems like more and more people are starting to say this i had people talkin mad shit to me when i first said it now heads are startin to realize. the description to that strain is bullshit worst shit i ever grew

 

[no clue]

Quality isn't determined by the medium (hydro vs soil), it's determined by the skill of the grower and how they feed and care for their plants.

I am not sure I like this. So it's up to ME to actually grow good pot? So I can't just use shitty, lazy growing practices and blame the breeder when my weed sucks?

 

[pabuds]

i agree some people can fuck up a good strain