Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

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bigsmoove1

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I haves used dyna gro 7-9-5 for many years start to finish, been trying other stuff the last few years. To make a long story short it was a waste of time nothing is better. From rooted clone to finish I used 7-9-5 10ml per gallon. I recently Went out and purchased the mag pro, the bloom, more grow and the pro tek and floralicious plus. Seems like you have the recipe dialed in from all I read. Can you share your recipe from established clone to finish. Also do you introduce the floralicious plus from the starter later in game.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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bigsmoove1 said:
I haves used dyna gro 7-9-5 for many years start to finish, been trying other stuff the last few years. To make a long story short it was a waste of time nothing is better. From rooted clone to finish I used 7-9-5 10ml per gallon. I recently Went out and purchased the mag pro, the bloom, more grow and the pro tek and floralicious plus. Seems like you have the recipe dialed in from all I read. Can you share your recipe from established clone to finish. Also do you introduce the floralicious plus from the starter later in game.
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I don't really have a set 'recipe', especially for dirt. I'm sure I've gone over where I feed my hydro girls during veg and flower. In the dirt, here are my thoughts:

Grow, Bloom and Protekt is all you need. In Promix, I haven’t found much use for Magpro as it is pretty strong stuff and IMO is meant for hydroponic growing when using RO.

When you use Protekt and one of their bases in roughly equal amounts, your pH should land in the low 6’s but this is dependent on your water source. Odds are you’ll need slightly less protect than base. Find the ratio that works best for your water.

You should be feeding with Grow a lot more than Bloom during flower as Bloom doesn’t contain enough N to keep your plants green. Bloom is awesome in hydro, not so much in promix. I’ll occasionally give 50/50 mixes of Grow and Bloom during the last half of flower but most of the time I’m feeding with Grow. I do on rare occasions feed with 100% bloom but only when the plants are perfectly green top-to-bottom and it’s later in the flowering period.

Flowering plants really shouldn’t need more than about 1 tsp/gal of each Protekt and a base, cut that in half for veg.
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bigsmoove1

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Been trying to find ur recipe in it and if you use floralicious plus from the start of veg all the way thru flower. I've read a few threads and see a few different things. But u must have a final after all your tweaking
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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bigsmoove1 said:
Been trying to find ur recipe in it and if you use floralicious plus from the start of veg all the way thru flower. I've read a few threads and see a few different things. But u must have a final after all your tweaking
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I use FLP only during flowering.
 
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homebrewer

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hornedfrog2000 said:
Could a person just run grow straight through and then just add mag pro instead of bloom as needed?
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In hydro, I think bloom is your ticket to better yields than just using grow + magpro. I tried a 'no bloom' grow and around day 30, I could tell things were smaller than they should be. Basically, I chickened out because it looked like my yields were going to suffer. In my defense though, I was growing a strain that I'm not all that familiar with yield-wise with a different reflector so while 'no bloom' would have worked, I didn't have much to compare it to.
 
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|B3RNY|

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I have recently been using Dyna-Gro & I have fallen completely in love with everything they have, that I've tried (Grow, Bloom, Mag-Pro + Pro-Tekt.) If you were going to buy bulk nutrients then I think you could get by with a gallon(s) of Grow & a smaller supply of Bloom; like 1/2 gallon(s), etc. Like HB said, the only problem at all with DG nutrients is that the Bloom does not contain enough Nitrogen to keep a plant green/healthy throughout flowering... but then again- neither does anybody else's bloom/flower formulas IMO. Almost any brand of nutrient will work, assuming the pH is 'correct' and the NPK is at desirable levels relative to each other. DG is awesome; almost idiot proof, just add a bit of the Grow into flowering solutions. I favor DG, no question, over any Advanced nutrients product anymore (though I've encountered great results with their "Jungle Juice" formula (and it's a copy of GH's 3 part nutrient, so I assume that GH would also produce acceptable results.))
HomeBrewer- I use tapwater myself but I was just curious, have you/do you know if anyone has experienced calcium deficiency problems with Dyna Gro stuff?
 
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homebrewer

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|B3RNY| said:
HomeBrewer- I use tapwater myself but I was just curious, have you/do you know if anyone has experienced calcium deficiency problems with Dyna Gro stuff?
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I've never experienced a calcium deficiency and in all likelihood, it's your tap water that's probably causing an issue if you think you're seeing a 'calcium deficiency'. My tap water is pretty hard and causes issues when fed to my plants over the course of a couple weeks (yellow, rust-spotted lower leaves). I once thought 'calcium deficiency' when using Botanicare's PureBlend when really the culprit was my unbalanced water. Do you know the mineral content or of yours? EC/ppm?
 
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hornedfrog2000

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I seem to get bad cal mag issues. I might swap my mag pro for cal mapg plus. I assume its chalked up to the tap water. Maybe i should get a ro filter so i know exactly what is going on...


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It could be some sort of toxicity issue though like hb says. Thanks for helping people hb.
 
^Slanty

^Slanty

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AN products work just fine as well. You just need to be able to read your plants and use the arsenal of products at hand to deal with "YOUR" setup! Don't get me wrong, as there are products that may be superior to AN, and I will not debate that here. The fact that a nutrient company can pull the wool over they eyes of many to make a buck due to advertisement is fine in my world. Suits the individuals right if they can't take the time to figure out what they need. AN does have some products that work; don't get me wrong. They also have a lot of crap.

All I can say is, I hope people take the time to sort through all the crap and learn how to grow before they read such comparisons and make up their minds of what they think works. Would waste a lot less time.

What works: Is what works for them! Experience is priceless!! Just because something works for one, does not mean it works for another. Displayed time and time again on these boards!

Putting time in is what makes a true grower. Nutes are a small part of it.

True TLC is HUGE!
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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^Slanty said:
AN products work just fine as well. You just need to be able to read your plants and use the arsenal of products at hand to deal with "YOUR" setup! Don't get me wrong, as there are products that may be superior to AN, and I will not debate that here. The fact that a nutrient company can pull the wool over they eyes of many to make a buck due to advertisement is fine in my world. Suits the individuals right if they can't take the time to figure out what they need. AN does have some products that work; don't get me wrong. They also have a lot of crap.

All I can say is, I hope people take the time to sort through all the crap and learn how to grow before they do such comparisons. Would waste a lot less time.
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I was about to flag this post for removal but I'll respond and then you're done in this thread. If you want to troll this forum, that's your call but the grow journal section is off limits.

Now to address your trolly post: AN is made for newbs who don't know how to grow plants and who know nothing about the essential elements, plain and simple. Do you think any Professors of botany or horticulture are swinging by their local hydro shop to buy AN's watered-down, incomplete, overpriced snake oils on their way to a lecture? They know better than to be duped by their slick marketing.

At the end of the day, AN users are really trying to make things as difficult and as expensive as possible for themselves and there is simply a simpler way of doing things that yields superior results.

If you're an AN guy, research the 16 essential elements, learn their roles in plant health and save yourself some money the next time you visit your hydro store.

Bye bye :blsmoke:
 
sharpshoota

sharpshoota

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^Slanty said:
AN products work just fine as well. You just need to be able to read your plants and use the arsenal of products at hand to deal with "YOUR" setup! Don't get me wrong, as there are products that may be superior to AN, and I will not debate that here. The fact that a nutrient company can pull the wool over they eyes of many to make a buck due to advertisement is fine in my world. Suits the individuals right if they can't take the time to figure out what they need. AN does have some products that work; don't get me wrong. They also have a lot of crap.

All I can say is, I hope people take the time to sort through all the crap and learn how to grow before they read such comparisons and make up their minds of what they think works. Would waste a lot less time.

What works: Is what works for them! Experience is priceless!! Just because something works for one, does not mean it works for another. Displayed time and time again on these boards!

Putting time in is what makes a true grower. Nutes are a small part of it.

True TLC is HUGE!
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id prefer to buy my nutrients from an honest company (dynagro) that doesnt hide whats in it bottle, resort to baseless claims, and create cheap catchy advertising gimmicks to increase sales. (hint hint advanced nutrients)

plant biology, its quite simple. if you disagree your overthinking it....
 
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Jerm08

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Long time lurker, but never posted until now. I must say, this has been a pleasure to read and big props to HB for writing, and conducting the study as well. Thank you
 
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viridi

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homebrewer said:
This showdown is going to be in the same manner as my https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/358562-dyna-gro-vs-general-hydroponics.html journal in that it won’t be a simultaneous grow-off, but rather a direct comparison of the base nutrient lines offered by DynaGro and Advanced Nutrients. I’ll be comparing things like pH stability, salt build up, plant performance, plant health, nutrient concentration levels, and of course final yield.

I chose Connoisseur because it’s probably the most expensive, over-hyped base nutrient on the market and as a veteran grower, I’m in a much better position to put out the truth about the actual performance of this product than some beginner who just doesn’t know any better. After 11 years in this hobby, I’ve settled into the no-frills DynaGro brand which offers total and complete plant nutrition and isn’t purposely split up into multiple products. I’m not starting this journal because I’m unhappy with my current nutrient brand, I just want to post some honest and bullshiz free info about AN’s most ‘prestigious’ base nutrient. Welcome to the no-hype zone ;).

The strain we’ll be working with is Serious Seeds’ AK47, a strain I’ve grown many times before and am very familiar with. Using DynaGro, my yields for the past four grows have all been between 20 and 21.3 ounces (most recent harvest numbers are not in yet) so this shall be the benchmark for AN’s Connoisseur. In regards to the final product, I’ll also be looking for differences or similarities in potency, aroma and flavor, all of which will be 'tested' for in a blind comparison.

Now AN fanboys are probably among the most annoying members in this community and there will probably be a few following along. There will be no arguing, personal attacks, or just plain old newb-grower ignorance in this thread, just the facts as I post them throughout this comparison. Unwanted and unwarranted posts will be reported. Let the competition begin….

My setup is a DIY Ebb & Flow system with 6 inch rockwool cubes and a 600 watt HPS hortilux. I flood two to three times per day for 15 minutes with weekly res changes and a pH in the high 5's. These plants were vegged with DynaGro Grow and were also topped.




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It seems like you know your stuff man. I was wondering though in this pic why the branching on these look thin and not bushy? Did you lollipop these? or is it from the stretch in flower?
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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viridi said:
It seems like you know your stuff man. I was wondering though in this pic why the branching on these look thin and not bushy? Did you lollipop these? or is it from the stretch in flower?
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I veg all of my hydro plants under a 250 so they're not going to get that 'bushy', sturdy look that a 400 or a 1000 brings to the table.

Here is a day 14 pic from this jounral. As you can see, the plants like the higher wattage.

 
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