Another feature of electric cars!!

[UncleBuck]

Nice try, that was for the country.

Dimwit says what?

You forget, I'm from Oregon, so unless you're in Portland, you're much closer to hillbilly heaven than I am here in Raleigh.

oh, yes.

i forgot about that liberal mecca of raleigh.

please proceed.

 

[UncleBuck]

Wackenhut.
We Own You.

false.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I wasn't aware you designed cars for a living..

>img 1<
custom poontang conversion.
estimated cost build that electric chassis and drop a shelby kit car shell on top: 1-1.5 million dollars.

>img 2< concept car. concept cars rarely reach production, and most never go beyond a single prototype which is often just a non-working mockup.

>img 3< another concept car.

every single electric car in production is a slow inefficient economy shitbox with a luxury/eurosport pricetag, or a million dollar toy for the lefty hollywood billionaire set.

the average working stiff wont drive an electric car till he can get one that works, and doesnt cost 500k, +30k every 2-4 years for a new battery.

 

[Dr Kynes]

How does it burn and is it feasible, can we produce enough lawn clippings and saw dust daily to fuel even a quarter of America for a day? I have seen a ton of things that can replace fuel but none that can be made on such a large scale or doesn't cost more fuel than produce.

heh, currently methyl race fuel from sunoco (99.8% pure) costs $6 a gallon.

ag waste that us currently composted or burnt in stubble feilds can be fermented and distilled into fuel readily, as to volume, yep. the only reason "biomass" is called "biomass" instead of alcohol fuel, is the fed's insistence that all motor fuel be ETHYL rather than METHYL.

ETHYL is made from sugars and food.

METHYL is made from cellulose and ag waste.

sources for methyl alcohol distilation:

corn stalks and cobs
rice straw
tillage crops like clover and sorrels
sawmill waste
paper waste
recycled paper products
household garbage
sea algae
seaweed
kelp
switchgrass
yucca
autumn leafs
demolition rubble from fema disaster cleanups
the sawdust between obama's ears
the hardwood burl that is the head of mitt romney
old romney ryan and obama/biden campaign materials
the Montgomery Wards catalog.

 

[Padawanbater2]

every single electric car in production is a slow inefficient economy shitbox with a luxury/eurosport pricetag, or a million dollar toy for the lefty hollywood billionaire set.

the average working stiff wont drive an electric car till he can get one that works, and doesnt cost 500k, +30k every 2-4 years for a new battery.

http://www.cleanfleetreport.com/top-electric-cars-2010/

U.S. Electric Car Forecast

Electric car sales will triple in the U.S. each year from 20,000 in 2011 to 60,000 in 2012 to 180,000 in 2013. Accenture forecasts 1.5 million electric vehicles in the United States by 2015. Over 10 million electric vehicles are possible by 2020, especially if oil prices rise as battery prices fall. Single electric utilities have scenarios for charging over one million electric vehicles in their own service area by 2020. With renewable energy investment required of utilities in 30 states, these utilities are most interested in night time charging of electric vehicles with wind, geothermal, and hydropower. Utilities are also implementing smart grids and incentives for off-peak charging.

Over 100 competitors are fighting for U.S. share of the electric car market. Some may be struggle to get significant share due to time delays and cost of safety and other regulatory approvals, delays in funding, or unpleasant surprises from a supplier. It’s a tough business. Even Tesla had to add 700 pounds and two years to get the first Roadsters in customers’ hands.

 

[NoDrama]

maybe if you live in a regressive shithole.

i'm proud to live in one of the most progressive, cannabis friendly, and greenest states in the union.

you can stay is ifuckmysisterville, NC.

More than 50% of Oregon's energy usage is supplied by fossil fuels.

 

[UncleBuck]

More than 50% of Oregon's energy usage is supplied by fossil fuels.

with PGE, if you pay about 10% more for your electric, you can get the renewable sources.

it jacks up my electric bill (indoor operation alone) from $250 to $275. i don't mind putting my money where my mouth is.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

More than 50% of Oregon's energy usage is supplied by fossil fuels.

I figured it was about that, I just didn't want to take the time to look it up.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

with PGE, if you pay about 10% more for your electric, you can get the renewable sources.

it jacks up my electric bill (indoor operation alone) from $250 to $275. i don't mind putting my money where my mouth is.

So, they have two power lines running to your home? You pay extra and you get electricity fed from different sources, that's awesome. Sounds like the PREMIUM undercoating we used to offer customers on their new cars.

 

[cannabineer]

methyl alcohol.

you can make it from lawn clippings and sawdust, and it's good enough for Nascar, and every race conference out there except top fuel drag, nitromethane and formula 1.

even in the baja and paris to dakkar rallies methyl alcohol is the racer's choice.

but here in the US youll get 25 to life if you make and use your own methyl alcohol fuel for your car.

violent felony 1: modifying your vehicle to operate on methyl alcohol makes it a "Destructive Device" (a bomb)
violent felony 2: operating an unregistered still is possession of a "Destructive Device" (a bomb)
violent felony 3: methyl alcohol is classified as an "explosive"

sundry other felonies just to ensure extended stays at one of Wackenhut's fine establishments found nation-wide.

once your car's tires touch any blacktop connected to the interstate highway system youre "Bootlegging"
methyl alcohol requires the same licensing for manufacture as whiskey, you tax dodger!
methyl alcohol possession means your planning to sell it to schoolchildren! even if it is in your gas tank!
running any motor fuel, not sufficiently taxed, on public roads makes you a devilish tax cheat and probably a child molester.
it's not "carbon free" so youre destroying the planet!

Wackenhut.
We'll leave a cell open for you.

Wackenhut.
Soap on a Rope never sounded so good.

Wackenhut.
We Own You.

I'm not convinced that Wackenhut is a concept that'll fly. Porta-Potty now ... they have a real and stable market. But a Wackenhut? Most people wait until they're at least on the bus and can discreetly tent their Burberrys. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

So, they have two power lines running to your home? You pay extra and you get electricity fed from different sources, that's awesome. Sounds like the PREMIUM undercoating we used to offer customers on their new cars.

forgive the lazy language, we can't all be english language wonders like yourself.

the power usage is offset with renewable energy sources.

fuck me running.

on second thought, since you take things so literally, do not fuck me running. save that for your cousin.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

with PGE, if you pay about 10% more for your electric, you can get the renewable sources.

I'm still unclear how I took what you posted, too literally. The "if" implies that those people that don't pay the 10% premium, don't get power from renewable sources. It didn't seem plausible, so I commented. And since you're now correcting apostrophes added by my iPad, I think I'm on solid ground.

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm still unclear how I took what you posted, too literally. The "if" implies that those people that don't pay the 10% premium, don't get power from renewable sources. It didn't seem plausible, so I commented. And since you're now correcting apostrophes added by my iPad, I think I'm on solid ground.

it was lazy language.

with respect to extra apostrophes, don't blame the arrow, blame the archer. you are smarter than that pile of plastic and computer chips.

 

[newatit2010]

I hope you asses that think green is the way to go can't buy gas any more. Walk motherfuckers. odumbshit has spent 100 billion on green energy and most have gone out of business. Spend your own money to get your green energy.

 

[Dr Kynes]

http://www.cleanfleetreport.com/top-electric-cars-2010/

U.S. Electric Car Forecast

Electric car sales will triple in the U.S. each year from 20,000 in 2011 to 60,000 in 2012 to 180,000 in 2013. Accenture forecasts 1.5 million electric vehicles in the United States by 2015. Over 10 million electric vehicles are possible by 2020, especially if oil prices rise as battery prices fall. Single electric utilities have scenarios for charging over one million electric vehicles in their own service area by 2020. With renewable energy investment required of utilities in 30 states, these utilities are most interested in night time charging of electric vehicles with wind, geothermal, and hydropower. Utilities are also implementing smart grids and incentives for off-peak charging.

Over 100 competitors are fighting for U.S. share of the electric car market. Some may be struggle to get significant share due to time delays and cost of safety and other regulatory approvals, delays in funding, or unpleasant surprises from a supplier. It’s a tough business. Even Tesla had to add 700 pounds and two years to get the first Roadsters in customers’ hands.

those projections and forcasts are based on the fat subsidy for electic car manufacturers and buyers, not real market forces. there will be ZERO used car market for electric cars, since ALL their parts are prohibitively expensive, most are proprietary, and their repair mainatainance and service requires specialized equipment and training, and the batteries MUST be handled by qualified personel and cost more than a like-new pre-owned accord.

this is why they are not feasible, and are simply toys for the hollywood millionaires and fat cats. even the "hybrid" cars are too pricey for anyone below the white collar wage level. most of america is NOT trendy hipsters with a trust fund and an investment portfolio. thats the market for hybrids, and the electric car market is even more rarified. without the subsidies, electric cars wouldnt be anything but a new addition to Jay Leno's collection. with the subsidies they are a white elephant.

 

[Padawanbater2]

They're brand new, as the numbers show, they're becoming more popular, over time the prices will go down and the technology will only get more efficient, exactly as they did at the turn of the century when Ford came along.

Keep in mind, I never said they were cheap, I said they were more efficient. Give it a few years.

Why would companies invest so much in recharge stations if it's just some sort of phase? I see them in parking garages, gas stations, restaurants, movie theaters.. etc. pretty often.

 

[cannabineer]

They're brand new, as the numbers show, they're becoming more popular, over time the prices will go down and the technology will only get more efficient, exactly as they did at the turn of the century when Ford came along.

Keep in mind, I never said they were cheap, I said they were more efficient. Give it a few years.

Why would companies invest so much in recharge stations if it's just some sort of phase? I see them in parking garages, gas stations, restaurants, movie theaters.. etc. pretty often.

There are some basic differences though, limits imposed by physics, specifically electrochemistry. Hydrocarbon fuel has such good energy density that we'll take the thermodynamic (Carnot cycle) efficiency hit.
Batteries store little energy for their weight (which is why nobody has demoed an 18-wheeler tractor that's electric) and, more importantly, their price.

I don't see an electric replacement any time soon either for the pickup truck ... in its proper rural application (or its equally proper application towing a nine-ton trailer to Quartzsite and back), not as an urban status vehicle. Urban environments are more suitable to electrics with all their limitations, but the countryside will need more range and power. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

I hope you asses that think green is the way to go can't buy gas any more. Walk motherfuckers. odumbshit has spent 100 billion on green energy and most have gone out of business. Spend your own money to get your green energy.

actually, obama's DOE has had a better rate of success with their investments than bain capital, boy.

 

[Dr Kynes]

There are some basic differences though, limits imposed by physics, specifically electrochemistry. Hydrocarbon fuel has such good energy density that we'll take the thermodynamic (Carnot cycle) efficiency hit.
Batteries store little energy for their weight (which is why nobody has demoed an 18-wheeler tractor that's electric) and, more importantly, their price.

I don't see an electric replacement any time soon either for the pickup truck ... in its proper rural application (or its equally proper application towing a nine-ton trailer to Quartzsite and back), not as an urban status vehicle. Urban environments are more suitable to electrics with all their limitations, but the countryside will need more range and power. cn

ohh pish! anything one might do which requires a pickup truck is a thing people ought not be doing!
Think of the Environment!
Think of the Children!
Think of the Children's Environment!

on the serious tip, in densely packed urban environments (san francisco new york boston chicago and DC come to mind) public transit actually works. the rest of the country that DOESNT live in a 2 bedroom efficiency on the 6th floor of a converted battery factory, now artsy fartsy loft "space" with "open floorplans" and "semi-private terraces" should not be saddled with the two seat hypereconomy "smartcar" that costs more than a 2 1/4 ton payload duallie.

you city folks keep your mini coopers and priuses (preii? preae? preusseses?) off our country roads, and we will keep our combines and tractors out of your urban viewscapes.

 

[Dr Kynes]

actually, obama's DOE has had a better rate of success with their investments than bain capital, boy.

but bain's investors CHOSE to invest, they werent forced to invest.