"No man left behind"

[Trolling]

I'm not talking about wounded soldiers, it of course goes without saying you should try to get them out of harms way. That's something definitely worth risking your own life over.

I'm talking about lifeless corpses, clearly dead. No coming back.

I don't think soldiers expect to die when they go into battle, I'm sure they consider the possibility, however likely or unlikely it may be, but I would say most of them expect to come back alive.

That's not true, I've seen many many many documentaries (documentary whore lol) and alot of then when they get interviewed put that in the back of their head. They tell themselves well if I die today then I die today. Like I said tho, even if the body isn't moving, the soldier will still risk his life to hope they can revive him. Nobody can say from 30 feet away if the guy is dead or alive. At that point they just want to get him out of harms way.

 

[lokie]

That's not true, I've seen many many many documentaries (documentary whore lol) and alot of then when they get interviewed put that in the back of their head. They tell themselves well if I die today then I die today. Like I said tho, even if the body isn't moving, the soldier will still risk his life to hope they can revive him. Nobody can say from 30 feet away if the guy is dead or alive. At that point they just want to get him out of harms way.

And yet again it is pad. caught in a god complex.

 

[Trolling]

What do you mean lol?

 

[lokie]

to whom do you wish to ask this question? trollimg,

 

[Padawanbater2]

They tell themselves well if I die today then I die today. Like I said tho, even if the body isn't moving, the soldier will still risk his life to hope they can revive him. Nobody can say from 30 feet away if the guy is dead or alive. At that point they just want to get him out of harms way.

I don't think that's the same as "expecting to die". Why wear body armor, why bring medics? The behavior is inconsistent with expecting to die.

I believe I would be able to tell from 30 feet away if a man is dead or not. Especially in a warzone.

And yet again it is pad. caught in a god complex.

What do you mean by "a god complex"?

 

[lokie]

I don't think that's the same as "expecting to die". Why wear body armor, why bring medics? The behavior is inconsistent with expecting to die. I believe I would be able to tell from 30 feet away if a man is dead or not. Especially in a warzone. What do you mean by "a god complex"?

I would snuggest you read a lot of old and Nobel writings. You talk like a man with a papper asshole..

 

[Padawanbater2]

I would snuggest you read a lot of old and Nobel writings. You talk like a man with a papper asshole..

You speak like someone who makes zero sense.

 

[Trolling]

I don't think that's the same as "expecting to die". Why wear body armor, why bring medics? The behavior is inconsistent with expecting to die.

I believe I would be able to tell from 30 feet away if a man is dead or not. Especially in a warzone.



What do you mean by "a god complex"?

It's just a mind game you play with yourself, this can include WW2 and Veitnam vets ad well. Of course they would love to have the vests and special gear and guns but it's still dangerous and when it's that dangerous, you just expect the worse and hope for the best. When you expect it and accept the consequences, it's much easier to fight.


You can't always say fot certain, human beings have survived sole of the worst kind of traumas, unbelievable injures that you would think they're a gonner but then they some how miraculously survive. I mean if they get blown up, of course they're dead so if that were the case, soldiers would fight until it's clear and then go retrieve the remains. As far as getting shot, most if not all soldiers will.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It's just a mind game you play with yourself, this can include WW2 and Veitnam vets ad well. Of course they would love to have the vests and special gear and guns but it's still dangerous and when it's that dangerous, you just expect the worse and hope for the best. When you expect it and accept the consequences, it's much easier to fight.

I disagree. I imagine myself in a combat situation, I would never expect to be killed. If I did, I'd likely opt out of such a mission. Call it cowardice if you want, I call it smart and logistically tactical, a dead soldier does no good to morale, strategy or effectiveness. Commanders need live soldiers to combat the enemy, a dead soldier is always a loss.

The expression is "plan for the worst, hope for the best", not "expect". I still hold the contention that most soldiers do not expect to die in battle, if they did they would not fight. Expecting to die renders training useless, why train, and again, why send medics, why wear body armor if you don't expect to come back?

Soldiers that fight expect to win. If they didn't, the battle would already be lost.

You can't always say fot certain, human beings have survived sole of the worst kind of traumas, unbelievable injures that you would think they're a gonner but then they some how miraculously survive. I mean if they get blown up, of course they're dead so if that were the case, soldiers would fight until it's clear and then go retrieve the remains. As far as getting shot, most if not all soldiers will.

The majority of deaths in warfare today are because of IED's, not gunfire. It is clear when someone is dead. If I were a soldier and had the most minimal amount of suspicion a friendly was still alive, I would not have any problem risking my life to inspect as much, as I mentioned before. What this thread is about is absolutely confirmed death, 100% KNOWN death. The guy is no longer moving or breathing, resuscitation is no longer an option, it's completely out of the question. DEAD. Confirmed DEAD. You need to understand the distinction for any real debate to take place. D E A D. If I were a dead soldier, the last thing I would want is to create more dead soldiers on my behalf, fuck me! Leave me! I couldn't give a fuck less what happens to my body I no longer occupy. Why would anyone? It's a selfish policy reinforced by tradition, a tradition that makes zero sense and one which no argument in favor of has been presented, let alone made any sense.

My body is not worth your death, as a soldier, I would feel this policy is completely selfish. When we get to the bottom of it, it's to relieve some illusory sense of moral justice to appease some God and the family that grieves, in reality, it's nothing more than an unnecessary risk.

Leave me behind, I couldn't give a fuck less. Why should you?

 

[Trolling]

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Nope it's expect.

You're not getting it and are skipping the points. If it's an IED, nobody pulls anyone aside because they are together and the people are close. They fight and make sure it's clear before doing anything else, it all depends on the situation. It's not they expect it enough as a suicide mission that's not the point. If you read, it's a mind game and I said they say it to accept the consequences so they can get thru it and I said even WW2 and Veitnam vets stating this in documentaries by the way, say this. They know that they could be next and just accept it.

 

[Trolling]

Also, it's only clear when someone has no pulse or is blown to smithereens, most actually survive IEDs because they have special armored trucks go first, so they're gonna check regardless.

 

[lokie]

Your just a can of worms squirming all over tonight. What are your thoughts on old ade lincolin? I am courious. outside of the obvious of coarse.

 

[Trolling]

Are you drunk tonight?

 

[Padawanbater2]

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Nope it's expect.

You're not getting it and are skipping the points. If it's an IED, nobody pulls anyone aside because they are together and the people are close. They fight and make sure it's clear before doing anything else, it all depends on the situation. It's not they expect it enough as a suicide mission that's not the point. If you read, it's a mind game and I said they say it to accept the consequences so they can get thru it and I said even WW2 and Veitnam vets stating this in documentaries by the way, say this. They know that they could be next and just accept it.

"Hope for the best and prepare for the worst". - Thomas Norton

It's a realization, but none of them "expect it", trust me. If you expected to die in a firefight, you would not participate in it. Those that did did not expect to be killed. This is obvious.

Also, it's only clear when someone has no pulse or is blown to smithereens, most actually survive IEDs because they have special armored trucks go first, so they're gonna check regardless.

100% dead. Again, positively dead. No movement, no cognitive thought processes, nothing. D E A D.

 

[Trolling]

Well somewhere down the line if had to of changed or that search wouldn't have came up like that.


So you're saying someone has no pulse, no cognitive thought process from yards away, that's pretty talented.

 

[NLXSK1]

Well somewhere down the line if had to of changed or that search wouldn't have came up like that.


So you're saying someone has no pulse, no cognitive thought process from yards away, that's pretty talented.

If Padwan has pissed his pants and they are taking fire then his comrade is dead...

Simple...

 

[kpmarine]

I feel like the concept of hypothetical situations are lost on some of you people.

 

[lokie]

your nonsense has forced me to add you to the ignore list too you and UB can keep each other company,.
you open multiple, arguable, asinine threads AND do not stay on track in many if any of them.

ha ha the joke is still on you or me depending on how it is viewed. as i can not block you I can uniquivical ignore you.

You must be a suffering soul.

I asked in plain English, if you had one thought you could follow?
You failed.

This clip draws the simplistic reason for your narrow mildness threads. Each of them bring your "inane, barely factual insanity with you. why you even go out of you way to demean the members that want to stick around..

With the one expectation of being kind to fellow humans, i'll take a look at that and rep you if i fave not,
the rest seem just your free soap box to climbe on and crow , spew rubbish. Then some if 1/2 wit chimes in on your side you go
wide open. until there is no one to back you. AND when you relize you are in a trap you ususly just repeat the same old tiredm story
out again and soo you will STFU untill your hormones are ready to pop again.

Do you think its homons or is it BIPOLBR 1 ?

don't mind the echo in there its prob ub seeeking his "precious"

Yes, Yes, My Precious!