That's just it. the Cherry Pie throws balls SOMETIMES.. Out of 72 plants in a 4'x8' bed my buddy had 6 show balls.
Harborisde Oakland Cherry Pie Has BALLS!
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miscbrah3284
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good to know, i should go dissect the balls i plucked off and put in the freezer
Dan Kone
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I really could care less how much credibility I have with you. And yes, I do believe that the larger selection of seeds you pop, the the higher your chances of finding an elite pheno. In fact I know that to be true. Why do you think breeders use large sample sizes? Maybe an elite pheno comes from one person popping 1k seeds. Maybe it comes from 100 people popping 10 seeds. Either way the math works out the same. The more seeds, the more variation, the better your chances of finding an elite pheno.
California simply pops open a lot of seeds so the odds of elite phenos popping up in Cali are very high.
Thanks for that profoundly ignorant statement. You might as well of just said "every time I flip a coin it lands on heads" or "every time I play the lotto I win the jackpot". You're talking about statistical odds. You basically just said that when you pop a seed pack the genetics (which you had nothing to do with) come out better than the entire state of California collectively. Do you really believe you are luckier than the entire state of California combined?
I have a very difficult time believing that every time you crack a seed it comes out as good as OG Kush, Blue Dream, Green Crack, Gods Gift, etc. If that is true you are the luckiest guy in the history of the world and you should start a company that sells clones of all these elite phenos you come up with. You'll be rich!
Yes. They came from a pack of seeds. But if every time someone cracks a pack of seeds they got an elite pheno we wouldn't call them elite phenos. Elite phenos come from hundreds, thousands, or even tens of thousands of seeds being cracks.
Dan Kone
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California simply pops open more seeds than anywhere in the world, so the odds of having more elite clone only strains are higher. We all have access to the same cannabis genetics thanks to the internet. So it's not like amsterdam has access to a level of quality that California doesn't have access to. But California grows out more seeds than they do, and we clone those elite phenos and pass them around. That's why our clone onlys are superior to their seed packs. If they have a pack of seeds with superior genetics, we can buy them and bring them to Cali, once enough of those seeds are flowered, we will find an elite pheno of those genetics and then have access to a level of quality Amsterdam does not have access to. It's all math basically. Who's ever cracking the most seeds is more likely to produce elite phenos. Cali is cracking the most seeds. That's why our clone onlys are better than their seed packs.
Dan Kone
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Most of the cherry pie in the bay area is just a high bag appeal strain. Similar to bubba kush (new newer one, not pre 9
. Looks greats, smells great, yields pretty decent, but not a smoke you're going to remember. I'd love to get some of the cherry pie you got out there.
miscbrah3284
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same....where is this cherry pie? lol....im in sacMost of the cherry pie in the bay area is just a high bag appeal strain. Similar to bubba kush (new newer one, not pre 9
I'd love to get some of the cherry pie you got out there.
miscbrah3284
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no need for the hate man, i just wanted to know more about why my cherry pies threw out balls @ 2 weeks even though they were preflowering and were clearly females....still seems 50/50.....a lot of good growers from different locations are saying both things, it shoots out balls, and it doesnt shoot balls but it will herm towards the end.....so i dunno
personally the real blue dream is a really strong sativa ime.....i see a lot of shit labeled blue dream in the bay area and sac and the buds are like fuckin purple and the high is almost completely indica.....Ive never seen the real blue dream purple ime, even dropping temps down to the low low 60s, did nothing but get pm lol
Dan Kone
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lol. Have you grown them out? Not weak. Awesome. Anyone who's ever grown out Cali's better clone onlys understands why.
Dan Kone
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My blue dream consistently tests out above 20% every time, tastes like candy, and puts out nearly 2 lbs per light.
If anyone knows of random seed packs that have these characteristics please let me know.
miscbrah3284
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the original clone only doesnt purple right? Mine have never purpled, and the high is so sativa i love it, yet it makes me sleep like a baby without feeling any indica affects while awake. so strong, always caked up, the aroma in a room after you smoke it is probably my favorite....and currently my all time favorite. but it seems like a lot of fake blue dream is out there which is ridiculous to me...probably coming from all these random amsterdam genetics trying to mimic
Dan Kone
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I've got the original clone only. Very little purple on it at all. Only the plants right by the AC get a little bit of purple on the top calyxes. No purple on the leaves ever.
There are a few strains that the actual smoke cloud still tastes amazing. Green crack, afghani kush, and blue dream are on the top of the list for those. None better than blue dream though. When someone is smoking blue dream, you know about it. Smells more like blueberry candy than smoke. I love that shi8t.
Yes, there is a lot of psudo blue dream out there. The seed companies have tried and failed to reproduce it (although I have no tried DJ Shorts Azure haze, if anyone could do it, he'd be the guy). Also a lot of the good ol boys up in Humboldt have watered down the BD genetics. Most of them grow from seed, so they are all BD hybrids.
Also there is a problem of people taking the real blue dream and growing it wrong. Blue Dream is one of the easiest strains to grow ever. But there is a trick to it. Minimal nutrients. If you over feed blue dream it's going to be shitty. A lot of growers have the tendency to push nutrient PPM's as high as you can, giving the plant as much nutrients as the plant can take before burning. This is exactly the opposite of the mentality you need to grow blue dream. This isn't some kush that loves that shit. You give it just barely enough AB and cal/mag, hit it with a decent dose of PK booster in it's first few weeks of flowering, then back off the nuts and give it an extra long flush time. The less you give your blue dream, the better it's going to be. It's kind of the opposite of growing girl scout cookies.
But some people are convinced the only way to grow is to push PPM's as high as you can without burning. This mentality is the primary reason there is so much bad blue dream out there. It isn't the plant, it's the grower.
obijohn
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I got it last April from River City Phoenix. I haven't been in there since, so I have no clue whether it was a one time deal or not.
miscbrah3284
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hard to fuck up blue dream.....I love growing it....currently building up a headstash for myself while i dabble in some new og's.....My current ones literally have branches that were snapped and literally hung by a thread and rehealed itself...now one of the best branches on that plant! love when out of staters try to tell me about the strains that were made here....like no matter what because somebody said they smokd blue dream before then i see it and its all purpled out.....lol ok enjoy your "blue dream"
Im currently growing out Cali Connections Blue Dream Haze---just to let the community know how it fairs to the real blue dream, which i also have going right now....we'll see...it looks like shit so far, considered just tossing it, but ehhh....im curious
thump easy
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ya man some do that your leaf and stem structure pluss avi is butifull, but i have a cut that does that too its the master platnum og, it shoots balls not nanerds or yellow bananas but fool blown ball sacks i lerned over time like the mad man og you have to trim the bottom up fast and keep your canapee about 8 to 12 inches on some strains like the master platnuim og or the mad man if the lower branches dont get enough light they herm thats just my experience i still run the master platnium og i just do a control on the plants i spend alot of time in their and from time to time ill crawl under the chanbers to look up and make shure that shit dont happen spray revers is all i can say and do it religiously you might see inerniod spacing (airy buds) but better than seeds also it might fuck the thc but if done on time you might not skip a beet.
miscbrah3284
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it was anywhere buds were developing, balls shot out in clusters below....
Dan Kone
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Still no evidence of seeds anywhere. Buds just about done. I was going to chop a week early because of the hermie but since I've seen no evidence of seed development I'm giving it the full two week flush. Bud looks good. Looks like your average dispensary top shelf bud. Yield is decent. But I've got better so I won't be running this strain again. Still feel like any future growing of this strain risks pollination.
thump easy
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ow then ya i would chop it if it is everywere i know in aroe plants some dont like it at all they herm under because of no light its happend to me with two strains i am in a comunity of aroe growers i stick to my kind because i can trouble shoot with my friends problems or mine and exchange ideas and what grows in soil coco or rock wool wont grow the same in aroe so out of four atempts with mad man it shot out balls bellow and with the master platnuim it does too so i ran the master with no pollination but cut the fuck out the bottom in week four maybee only one seed out of six lights was the feed back but i talked to my boy FLOPS from west covina originaly from the tryangle it his cut he had it for 22 years and he sead cut it up on the bottom you should be fine so i did and true it was that it didnt ever show sighns of balls if i kept the canapee 8 inches thinck with toping all and any thing that wasnt straight with the rest i thought he was crazzy but i tell you it worked and solid nugs it looked like a hedge crazzy true but its one of my best supper heavy hitters if budtenders from some of the best clinics call me for just that bud i kept growing it and still do..
I have like five runs of DHN Cherry Pie to get through..
I have finished two so far and they both had seeds in the lower buds.. leading me to agree with your theory that the lower buds dont get enough light and might produce seeds..
It hasn't been a disaster, but I'm bummed for sure.. the quality of the bud is great, yield is so so..
anybody get anything good from Harborside lately?
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