download your brain

[guy incognito]

I have always been intrigued by the idea of downloading your "brain" or "mind" into some non organic format so you could potentially live forever. Seems like it would be great. No more old age, no more frail human body, no more short life span. The more I think about it though, the less appealing it sounds.

Say for example we get the technology to replicate your mind 100%. Every memory and thought you have gets preserved exactly as it is. The electronic download of you is indistinguishable from the real you. But it is a completely separate "you". Or maybe it's not an electronic download, but a clone. A clone that is not merely based off the same dna, but one that has the same memories, etc.

This seems like it would work for people that are not me. Download the wifes brain, then the wife dies, then I upload her mind scan into a cyborg, or lets even say an organic body that is identical to hers. She would be indistinguishable from my original wife. She has all the memories, all the emotions, all the same idiosyncrasies, everything the same because down to a molecular level her brain is the exact same. We could continue on "our" life just the same, and she is fundamentally the same as the dead wife.

But what about from her perspective? Wouldn't the downloaded copy of her have the exact same memories, emotions, etc right up to the point of download, then they would be separate individuals? The wife that died actually died. Her consciousness ceased to exist while a separate identical "mind" did not cease to exist. It's not like she died then her soul magically shifts to the other body or hard drive or whatever.

The same would be true for me. I could download my mind. Or clone myself. That copy could replace me and fill all my roles in life. It could continue to run my company, continue to raise my kids, and essentially live my life. As far as anyone is concerned it IS me. But really it's just an exact replica of me that experiences a different consciousness.

Man i'm high.

 

[^NoR*CaL@420]

it would need an amazing CPU to run all of the "programs" you are basically downloading to the system file "your Brain"


pass that shit hahaha

 

[Slipon]

did`t read it all (to lazy, sitting here with my morning coffee/joint)

but is`t there a movie or two about this ?

on a side note: wouldn't take long to download whats left of mine, I bet I could keep it on a floppy disc

 

[Padawanbater2]

I have always been intrigued by the idea of downloading your "brain" or "mind" into some non organic format so you could potentially live forever. Seems like it would be great. No more old age, no more frail human body, no more short life span. The more I think about it though, the less appealing it sounds.

Say for example we get the technology to replicate your mind 100%. Every memory and thought you have gets preserved exactly as it is. The electronic download of you is indistinguishable from the real you. But it is a completely separate "you". Or maybe it's not an electronic download, but a clone. A clone that is not merely based off the same dna, but one that has the same memories, etc.

This seems like it would work for people that are not me. Download the wifes brain, then the wife dies, then I upload her mind scan into a cyborg, or lets even say an organic body that is identical to hers. She would be indistinguishable from my original wife. She has all the memories, all the emotions, all the same idiosyncrasies, everything the same because down to a molecular level her brain is the exact same. We could continue on "our" life just the same, and she is fundamentally the same as the dead wife.

But what about from her perspective? Wouldn't the downloaded copy of her have the exact same memories, emotions, etc right up to the point of download, then they would be separate individuals? The wife that died actually died. Her consciousness ceased to exist while a separate identical "mind" did not cease to exist. It's not like she died then her soul magically shifts to the other body or hard drive or whatever.

The same would be true for me. I could download my mind. Or clone myself. That copy could replace me and fill all my roles in life. It could continue to run my company, continue to raise my kids, and essentially live my life. As far as anyone is concerned it IS me. But really it's just an exact replica of me that experiences a different consciousness.

Man i'm high.

If you haven't yet, you should check out the movie The Sixth Day with Arnold Schwarzenegger, exact same premise.

I agree with you, similarly to motives of teleportation I've heard people espouse.. It deconstructs you here and replicates you there.. Not really teleportation as I'd think of it..

Your mind/memories carry on, but your physical self is gone.

There's an interesting scene in that movie where the guy is dying but being cloned in the process, his clone isn't done yet but the facility is being destroyed, it comes out and proceeds to strip it's previous self of it's clothes and tells it he's going to be dead in moments, so what does it matter? The previous clone (who is dying, with the power) finally realizes the fault of the program and see's how selfish he is.


So, I don't think that is true 'immortality', in the traditional sense.. You yourself are dead, though your memory, attitude, personality.. may live on, YOU die, and YOU will never be the same..

Immortality, at least today, is an illusion.. The will/need to survive, at least in name after your death isn't traditional immortality, it's an illusion, I believe, propagated by by mainstream entertainment..

 

[Zaehet Strife]

On a side note, but still relevant. I think a cool idea is that this reality is a computer simulation, and before we died in our alternate "real" reality, we downloaded our brains into the chips, set them up into a super computer, and that's exactly what we are right now. Just re-living a dumbed down version of the reality we were just in, maybe just a different simulation.

Just like how our brains are pretty much like computers, like a hard drive, our memories never get completely erased, they are still on the hard drive... but when we start to gain more memories some of our oldest memories get overwritten. So as our brains are fairly similar to a computer, would that not make our dreams somewhat a computer simulation? Yet our brains aren't as advanced as the super computer we reside in right now, the laws are different, some rules can be bent or broken all together, the reality of the dream simulation seems a little unstable and almost always random in some way.

Just like sometimes in this reality we are in right now, if you sit and stare for a while at a wall or what have you, and don't focus on one point, just let your eyes try to see everything, it seems as if you can witness the inconsistencies in our perceptions of reality as it seems like the matter that surrounds us is shifting and moving in, out, up, down, back and forth, just as it does almost always in our dreams without having to concentrate.

Really awesome ideas, way to think bro, these are my favorite threads to read about. + Rep and keep those ideas rollin.

Dream, computer simulation... aren't they merely one in the same?

 

[guy incognito]

If you haven't yet, you should check out the movie The Sixth Day with Arnold Schwarzenegger, exact same premise.

I agree with you, similarly to motives of teleportation I've heard people espouse.. It deconstructs you here and replicates you there.. Not really teleportation as I'd think of it..

Your mind/memories carry on, but your physical self is gone.

There's an interesting scene in that movie where the guy is dying but being cloned in the process, his clone isn't done yet but the facility is being destroyed, it comes out and proceeds to strip it's previous self of it's clothes and tells it he's going to be dead in moments, so what does it matter? The previous clone (who is dying, with the power) finally realizes the fault of the program and see's how selfish he is.


So, I don't think that is true 'immortality', in the traditional sense.. You yourself are dead, though your memory, attitude, personality.. may live on, YOU die, and YOU will never be the same..

Immortality, at least today, is an illusion.. The will/need to survive, at least in name after your death isn't traditional immortality, it's an illusion, I believe, propagated by by mainstream entertainment..

Yes. There is something more to me than simply the exact arrangement of every molecule in my body. Something intangible. Something independent of clones and exact replicas.

Everyday is an illusion. The clone has no idea he is the clone, because he has all the memories as far back as they can go, and they feel genuine to him. In the recesses of his brain is mapped out a first person experience that he believes to be his own. It's not like he simply has the cold hard facts of the memory, he feels the them. So how do I know i'm not just a clone? This is the first day of my life, and yet organically mapped through my physical brain is memories of 20 some years of experiences. If i'm not a clone, I have the same physical body as yesterday, what exactly is it that makes me guy incongito?

In other words, how do I know if I am guy incognito or simply a blank slate of consciousness reloaded with guy's memory card?

 

[Padawanbater2]

In other words, how do I know if I am guy incognito or simply a blank slate of consciousness reloaded with guy's memory card?

You don't.

But I think we'd be aware of such an advanced technology, at least a little bit. The thing about conspiracy theories is usually they don't have any verifiable evidence to support them, only unverifiable claims are made, so they forever remain in the realm of 'what if?' and 'maybe'.

If we could clone full humans and implant decades of memories into them, I think in the real world in which we exist, we'd already be cloning full, working human organs. I think it's a long stretch to jump from barely being able to grow ears in labs to full, working human cloning capability. Imo, that's probably a couple hundred years off, at least, not to mention the legal and religious implications of such a project. I think religious people would have a huge problem with cloning people, or, similar to Gattaca, the clones would become second class citizens of sorts.

 

[tyler.durden]

Yes. There is something more to me than simply the exact arrangement of every molecule in my body. Something intangible. Something independent of clones and exact replicas.

Everyday is an illusion. The clone has no idea he is the clone, because he has all the memories as far back as they can go, and they feel genuine to him. In the recesses of his brain is mapped out a first person experience that he believes to be his own. It's not like he simply has the cold hard facts of the memory, he feels the them. So how do I know i'm not just a clone? This is the first day of my life, and yet organically mapped through my physical brain is memories of 20 some years of experiences. If i'm not a clone, I have the same physical body as yesterday, what exactly is it that makes me guy incongito?

In other words, how do I know if I am guy incognito or simply a blank slate of consciousness reloaded with guy's memory card?

This is very Blade Runner and Total Recall. Arnold suppressed his evil sense of I-ness and hid it behind an artificial good I-ness that wasn't actually him, then he goes to war with himself and his own plans. Harrison Ford's cyborg gf had no idea she was a cyborg, much less that she had only been produced a few years before and all her memories older than that and her entire personality was constructed. I like that term, 'I-ness', it's from a cool, new-age philosophy I used to be into. It's a different concept than just your consciousness, as you and the clone would have the same consciousness, but a different sense of I-ness. Like you say, if you could clone yourself exactly you'd both be identical only until that moment, then you both would have two completely separate senses of I-ness. Think about it, both you and the clone would believe that they're you, you'd both try to get into your car, go back to your home, fuck your gf, hang with your friends. If he were an exact replicate of you, he'd feel as entitled to your life as strongly as you did! Then you'd have this kind of showdown -

[video=youtube;LiFZM4huHi0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiFZM4huHi0[/video]

Fantastic B-Movie when your baked, it was made eleven years ago, some of you kids may not have seen it and I recommend it highly

 

[guy incognito]

You don't.

But I think we'd be aware of such an advanced technology, at least a little bit. The thing about conspiracy theories is usually they don't have any verifiable evidence to support them, only unverifiable claims are made, so they forever remain in the realm of 'what if?' and 'maybe'.

If we could clone full humans and implant decades of memories into them, I think in the real world in which we exist, we'd already be cloning full, working human organs. I think it's a long stretch to jump from barely being able to grow ears in labs to full, working human cloning capability. Imo, that's probably a couple hundred years off, at least, not to mention the legal and religious implications of such a project. I think religious people would have a huge problem with cloning people, or, similar to Gattaca, the clones would become second class citizens of sorts.

How do I know I am the same person that went to bed last night though? Even without the cloning technology, how do I know it's actually ME that woke back up? Maybe it's a different "me" that has a cumulative history of my memories. Each day is a knew person booting on the same brain and preloading a life times worth of memories and experiences.

Replacing my body with an identical clone and killing the original me each night would mean my consciousness gets snuffed out everyday, and yet there is an identical clone that wakes up believe HE is the original guy incognito because he is full of my memories, but really I would be dead. This would illustrate the point but is it even necessary? When I wake up is my consciousness reconstructed based simply on the molecular state of my brain? So today when I woke up am I a different "me" from yesterday that just has memories of being "me"? Or am I the actual me?

 

[guy incognito]

This is very Blade Runner and Total Recall. Arnold suppressed his evil sense of I-ness and hid it behind an artificial good I-ness that wasn't actually him, then he goes to war with himself and his own plans. Harrison Ford's cyborg gf had no idea she was a cyborg, much less that she had only been produced a few years before and all her memories older than that and her entire personality was constructed. I like that term, 'I-ness', it's from a cool, new-age philosophy I used to be into. It's a different concept than just your consciousness, as you and the clone would have the same consciousness, but a different sense of I-ness. Like you say, if you could clone yourself exactly you'd both be identical only until that moment, then you both would have two completely separate senses of I-ness. Think about it, both you and the clone would believe that they're you, you'd both try to get into your car, go back to your home, fuck your gf, hang with your friends. If he were an exact replicate of you, he'd feel as entitled to your life as strongly as you did! Then you'd have this kind of showdown -

[video=youtube;LiFZM4huHi0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiFZM4huHi0[/video]

Fantastic B-Movie when your baked, it was made eleven years ago, some of you kids may not have seen it and I recommend it highly

I have a feeling me and my clone would become bff. He would be so insanely easy to get along with. We would like exactly the same stuff.

 

[tyler.durden]

I have a feeling me and my clone would become bff. He would be so insanely easy to get along with. We would like exactly the same stuff.

[video=youtube;8hHsyyFi1Ys]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHsyyFi1Ys[/video]
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