OG'S How many???
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TheMan13
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LoL I do believe that is his point
OG simply references the old OverGrow.com growing communities genetics that has now been shuttered for some time.
Bigtacofarmer
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I'm not sure who that guy is but from what he says if you know how to grow (which apparantly he don't) you can get some nice OG plants, no shit. I have not had any hermie problems with OG. I would love to see a DNA test, but who is this guy? Overgrow, sounds stupid actually, naming a strain after a website. Not saying this is complete bullshit but that is what it feels like. Not to mention anytime someone purposely sacrifices quality for quantity my opinion of them goes down fast. Who makes a video of themselves saying that one of the most popular strains to ever exist is to finicky for him....... pretty funny yet completely uniformitive!
Jogro
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Answer to what? The video is Steve Tuck sharing his perspective on the strain.
Tuck says he's heard all kinds of stories as to the true genetic lineage of OG Kush, and since he doesn't know for sure what the truth is, he's not going to spread these rumors.
Maybe that's not the answer you wanted to hear, but in my opinion, his response is a lot more mature and intellectually honest than a lot of people in the cannabis world have on topics like this. If you want to believe that this came from some random seed found in a bag from a Grateful dead concert, go ahead.
Other useful factoids in the video?
a. He believes the development of "OG Kush" is associated with the defunct Overgrow.com
b. The strain tends to hermie.
c. Yields are typically low, but can be improved with excellent growing technique.
d. Flowering time can be highly variable depending on growing conditions.
e. Although true breeding, this strain is usually propagated by cuttings, not seeds. (Incidentally, I'm not sure his claim about this one being true breeding is correct).
On the original thread question, "how many OGs"?
The answer is that by definition there can be only one 'original' OG Kush because at one point someone gave that name to a particular line. If you have a clone of that line or a linear descendent, you have "OG kush" and if not, you don't. But that said, the true histories here are a little murky, and there are probably any number of genetically similar lines out there derived either directly from the original, or from a similar genetic background.
If you look at what's actually sitting in the jars at CA dispensaries, there are at least twenty different buds called OG this or that: OG Kush, Skywalker OG, Platinum OG, Larry OG, Fire OG, Sour OG, Alien OG, Diablo OG, Abusive OG, Diamond OG, Master OG, Presidential OG, Rascal OG, Ghost OG, SFV OG, just to name a few.
One strain is called "Herijuana OG" and Tuck must really get a kick of that, given that his herijuana strain has nothing whatsoever to do with these other ones.
How different are these things really? I've got to believe that many of these are basically the same thing with different names, and at least many more are just inbred phenos of the above and more similar than different.
In my mind, the question isn't "how many OGs are there", or even "which one is the 'REAL' OG", but rather "Of the many lines that people are calling OG, which ones are worth growing and smoking and why"?
Jogro
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Eh. . .its a popular strain and everyone loves to cross it with everything.
Then for branding/marketing purposes they all get called "OG" this and "that-OG"
I don't find it implausible that twenty different lines that are called "OG" all actually share genetics with some common plant.
Its like half the strains out there (probably even OG Kush) have Northern lights and/or Skunk #1 somewhere in their genetic background.
Dwezelitsame
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tags420
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I guess that it answers the thread to a point but the title of the video is the origin of OG. He says that it was his and a couple other breeders best stock... not very specific. Figured he would at least through out one strain of the makeup.
I think these days it is more of which one best represents the original(s), and doesn't just use it in the name. If you have gotten to work with the real OG's then you know what it should be, the rest who haven't are going to get lost in the marketing. CA will always know what's up, but the guy in non medical states and what not is going to have to search through all the BS.
Overgrow was shut down right after I came online so I didn't really get to experience much but I have a lot of respect for what it setup.
I think these days it is more of which one best represents the original(s), and doesn't just use it in the name. If you have gotten to work with the real OG's then you know what it should be, the rest who haven't are going to get lost in the marketing. CA will always know what's up, but the guy in non medical states and what not is going to have to search through all the BS.
Overgrow was shut down right after I came online so I didn't really get to experience much but I have a lot of respect for what it setup.
TheMan13
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It is my belief that the internet cannabis forums across the world have changed our entire view of this plant we "know" today. Prior to this, in the 70's & 80's, Amsterdam was the last physical location to have such an impact among our community.
As a member of this cannabis internet community for decades now I can tell you that this history is as important, if not more so, than Amsterdam.
If this current generation of growers/breeders gets anything out of the "OG" branding, it should be to look to the past ...
As a member of this cannabis internet community for decades now I can tell you that this history is as important, if not more so, than Amsterdam.
If this current generation of growers/breeders gets anything out of the "OG" branding, it should be to look to the past ...
Jogro
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His name is Steve Tuck, and he's a long time medical user (he has serious back injuries stemming from his time as a US Army paratrooper), breeder, and activist.
Ever heard of "herijuana" (ie thought by some to be the most potent stain on the planet through the 1990s)? That's his baby. He came up with that one, bred it old-school style OUTDOORS, and specifically as a medical strain for his chronic back problems.
Bluntly, the guy has not only probably grown 100x as many plants as you ever will (he used to do huge outdoor grows), he's been involved in all sorts of large medical grows as a consultant, and he's probably forgotten more about growing than most people will ever know.
Anyway you certainly don't have to agree with his opinions (and I disagree with many of them), but in mine, you'd be wise to at least listen to what he has to say, because he's a guy that really has "been there" and his opinions (even if wrong) are based on quite a bit of real world experience and perspective. Go watch his video on "White Widow", and he totally slags it, saying its weak stuff for pussy Europeans, and just because its full of resin, doesn't make it any good. (He also says in a different video that NYC Sour Diesel is the plant White Widow wishes it were!).
Anyway, he's not the only one who claims "OG Kush" comes from "Overgrow.com" and if you look at the timing, it is true that OG Kush came onto the scene at the same time Overgrow was active. That doesn't make the rumor true, but its at least plausible.
As to the rest of it, even if you have been lucky enough not see any, OG Kush does have a reputation of being hermie prone (as do lots of the crosses that come from it). Again, don't take Tucks' word for it, or mine, just Google "OG Kush hermie" and see what you get.
Tuck didn't say he hated the strain, nor did he way that you had to sacrifice quality for quantity. To the contrary, he said this one was stable and good as breeding stock, and that it could give good yields, if you knew how to work it. He just said he personally didn't like working with it because there were others that were easier to make yield, and he didn't like its tendency to go hermie.
Yeah, I also think its a little curious that he's taking part credit for this one, but won't say which lines are involved. I'd also love to hear his take on what he thinks is in there, even if its just an educated guess on his part.
Still, if you read his intro to this series of videos, he specifically says that he's going to deliberately avoid slinging rumors, because he thinks there is too much of that sort of thing in the business, and I think that's why he's a bit tight-lipped here. So I give him credit for that, even if I'd still like to hear what he says. Those vids are a few years old, and I think Tuck is active on a different website, so if you really want to know, you may very well be able to contact him and ask him directly elsewhere.