EXTREMELY CHEAP NUTES! Don't be fooled by BRANDS! Learn about how cheap it can be!!!

jpeg666

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You did darned good for a first. Especially for a guy who doesn't even smoke!
Thank you man, that actually means a lot. I can't wait to see how my next plants turn out considering they wont have to use all their energy for seeds :). I am assuming the buds will swell like 2-3x what they were when they were full of seeds.
 

ru4r34l

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OP, I just wanted to give you kudos for posting finds like this. Someone previously said that the cannabis nutrient market is one of the biggest ripoffs, and quite frankly, it really is. I don't even know where to begin. I mean, there are companies who put together some of the weirdest NPK ratio's in their base nutrients, which requires you to buy another one of their thirty to sixty dollar bottle of watered down, overpriced, crap. From a marketing perspective, it is smart because these companies make A LOT of money from this business model.
Retail and marketing 101, it is no different than any other industry of commerce.

When it comes to your newb, new, greenhorn, cannabis grower, 9/10 times they haven't yet obtained even a basic level of botany knowledge and instead they learn as they go. The thing is, they fall for this exact thing!!! Instead of buying good nutrients, they fall for gimmick art logos, false statements, and compartmentalized nutrient lineups that have saturated the shelves of hydro stores all over the US.
How many gardeners do you know that have a basic level of botany knowledge, I am pretty sure those who are growing fruits and veggies in there backyard have zero knowledge they just head over to the local store (Lowes, Rona, Home Depot, etc.) in summer and pick up the young plants go home and shove them in the ground.

My wife has been growing veggies every summer for years and every year we harvest more than we can eat, better yet she handled my perpetual for almost 3 weeks when I was away on business and when I returned we harvested more than we could smoke :hump:

Also; what are good nutrients?

When I started growing I was not that bad, but looking back I wish I had obtained the knowledge I know now, (it would've saved me some money). I mean, there are nutrients you can buy at Wal Mart or Home Depot that will grow better cannabis than your "best" lineups that cost hundreds of dollars can. A lot of these new growers truly don't take enough time to understand basic Macro, Micro, and secondary nutrients and they are the ones who feed the machine.

Sorry for the rant.
-SB
What are these nutrients found at Walmart and Home Depot that will grow better cannabis then other lineups, and where is your proof?

Agreed.....A lot of new growers and greenhorns are minds to be molded and if they aren't wise enough to clear the smoke away themselves they will end up being told wrong information and fall for horrid marketing gimmiks that cost them hundreds and hundreds of dollars....... The products from companies like AN and Cyco might work but they are BS marketing schemes!!! They can easily package their product together and have at minimum 2-3 products that you need to buy instead they Rip their NPK's apart package the rest in different bottles with different micro nutes in each bottle then slap a $30 price tag on each bottle and BAM! They made about $300 on 10 products that could easily be put into 2-3 products and sold for maybe 3-4x less and still at a profit......

This cannabis growing industry is all about making money.....and a lot of people are stoner potheads that buy into and others just don't really care because they make so much money off their crop the price for the nutes is meaningless....
Every industry of commerce is about making money, take a look at what apple is gonna release next as there "NEW" iphone, and you know there will be hundred of thousands people who run out and upgrade.

100-200 on nutes isn't bad at all. I am speaking of companies like Advance nutrients that takes their product and splits it into 15 different bottles and charges $50 per bottle.... or any company that just rips apart their product and repackages it in separate bottles just to make you think you can customize the system or claims they HAVE TO separate everything. When if you really in fact wanted to customize the product you are using you could spend half of what that company charges for a bottle of 3% silica and buy soluble silica powder that is a way higher % and spend over 50% less for like 200% more product...
I am an AN user for the last 3 or so years, I have 5 bottles that I purchase which costs me about $78.00

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We got another Advance nutrient Fan boy ! :D Get lost everything you said is a bunch of nonsense....how many types of nitrogen?? what micro nutes? what they need to ight off pest lmao go read a book and you will find out the answer to all those :D Educate yourself!

Of course my plants are average you fuckin nub It was my first MJ grow with all types of RETAIL NUTES!!! lmao
I did not see anywhere in his post that says AN :wall:, but if you must know I am an AN fanboy. :shock:

regards,
 

jpeg666

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I am an AN user for the last 3 or so years, I have 5 bottles that I purchase which costs me about $78.00

regards,
Also Which 5 bottles of AN did you buy?

I am talking about all thier additives that they could bundle in with the main nutes or put together anyway in 1-2 additive bottles.
 

ru4r34l

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Also Which 5 bottles of AN did you buy?

I am talking about all thier additives that they could bundle in with the main nutes or put together anyway in 1-2 additive bottles.
I buy the pH perfect Grow-Micro-Bloom, B-52, and voodoo juice, no bloom additives. I always buy the 10L buckets, except for the voodoo juice which I buy the 4L. Never really had an issue missing the bloom additives, I have tried them and really did not notice a difference so I pass on them now.

Voodoo juice is one of my must have products, I would like to find a cheaper source that works as well though!

regards,
 

jpeg666

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Advanced Nutrients B-52 1L $41.42

Advanced Nutrients Big Bud Liquid 1L $38.64

Advanced Nutrients Wet Betty Organic 1L $37.45

Advanced Nutrients Bud Factor X 1L $84.89

Advanced Nutrients Bud Ignitor 1L $83.46

Advanced Nutrients Bud Candy 1L $27.76

Advanced Nutrients CarboLoad Liquid 01L $22.08

dvanced Nutrients Connoisseur A+B (pH Perfect) $63.20

Advanced Nutrients F-1 Fulvic Acid (Grandma Enggy's F1) 1L $27.63

Advanced Nutrients Humic Acid (Grandma Enggy's H2) 1L $27.63

Advanced Nutrients Piranha Liquid Microbial 1L $170.85

Advanced Nutrients Voodoo Juice 1L $99.39


BUNDLES!

DAN's Hobbyist Bundle Connoisseur 10 Gallon Kit
$165.10
DAN's Expert Bundle Connoisseur 10 Gallon Kit
$248.80
DAN's Grand Master Bundle Connoisseur 10 Gallon Kit
$449.95
 

jpeg666

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I buy the pH perfect Grow-Micro-Bloom, B-52, and voodoo juice, no bloom additives. I always buy the 10L buckets, except for the voodoo juice which I buy the 4L. Never really had an issue missing the bloom additives, I have tried them and really did not notice a difference so I pass on them now.

Voodoo juice is one of my must have products, I would like to find a cheaper source that works as well though!

regards,
So you did not get 5 bottles for 78 dollars then...
 

ru4r34l

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So you did not get 5 bottles for 78 dollars then...
Sorry I mis-posted, $78 per harvest with the 5 bottles, hehe, no way can $78 dollars get what I use. Next time I visit the grow (Saturday) I will grab my last bill from the hydro store, I forget what I pay but I usually purchase every months or so.

regards,
 

ehaz

Member
oh man I got into this business for money but I had two close friends in my life pass from cancer and had seen the benefits of smoking it for chemo. My lifelong friend who lost his mother to cancer is really into staying in shape and keeping a good diet ask me if I Knew anything about it and ask if I would make some, we studied methods for about a month before we attempted our first batch. It turned out fine and it was a good quality oil that we were eating on a regular basis. He is a Pro BMX rider and at 35 he is an old man in that game with lots of injuries. I was just a reckless dangers kid and have had over 13 broken bones myself. Long story short, lots of aches and pains. The pains stopped and we both noticed how clear our lungs felt. We told a friend of ours who is a PHD and that prompted hundred of hours of research between the 3 of us and I now feel I have read and or watched every piece of information on the oil there is. I am proud to say I am an expert. My phd friend called me very upset one night and told me his sister had been told she had late stage 4 cancer and he needed simpson oil A.S.A.P. We had used the oil for almost everything you can think of by then but to treat cancer was a first. Since last October when we started making the oil not one of us 3 have had to go to the doctor and we take very small amounts. About a gram a month. In order for this the be believable you must understand how cannabis works on the brain and our immune system. I could tell you but I would be typing all night. I will give you a couple documentaries to check out. Now these are Professors at Harvard and Colorado state.

What if cannabis cure cancer? check it on youtube

Run from the cure also on youtube

I can help you make it or whatever I have it down to a science. You can use your sugar leaves and that makes medium grade oil, that works fine but if you are treating cancer you need to make it from bud.

It has been a a journey and I have a different post on how her treatment is going if you would like to check it out.
 

jpeg666

Well-Known Member
What other forums are you part of? Also have you documented any of your "research"? I am skeptic about half of what you just said
 

ehaz

Member
Yeah I have documented the cancer but not much else. Here is a little info your Dr. does not tell you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system


Look man just type into google Cannabis cure cancer? and start reading. The endocannabinoid system is the largest part of the immune system. The cannabis receptors tell the cancerous cells to die when the brain should have but did not. Your body produces and kills cells constantly, the cells that are not killed and are mutated multiply and never stop where a normal cell only devides 50 to 75 times. The cannabis receptors also tell the brain to stop supplying blood to tumors. Cannabis contains 5 different cannabinoids that inhibit tumor grow. The info is all there man. Educate yourself and make your own decision. Have you ever watched someone die of cancer? People need to have this information we have been lied to for 80 years about this. Check my claims.....please. the US goverment hold the patent on cannabinoids you can google that to.
 

Sparty82

Active Member
So I forgot what I was doing but I came across this website http://www.kelp4less.com and I looked around for maybe 10 minutes and realized.......I could buy everything I need from this website in soluble powders for a fraction of the cost at buying expensive ass branded products like Advance Nutrient or General Hydro.....You can buy like pounds of Soluble nitrogen and Potash for like $20/LB .......1 pound for $20......you could spend about $100 at this website and have the same amount of nutes in raw form as $500-$1000 in bottles of liquid nutes from companies like AN, GH and many others......I'm sure many people have known this....I just didn't know how easy and cheap it was too find these Ingredients and How easy it is to obtain them....

I am never buying a Humic acid product again after seeing this website.....They sell an 80% humic acid powder....1Lb for $12.....at my local hydro shop NBT sells a 30% humic powder....probably only 8oz for probably $30....Amazing.....Seeing this website just turned my world upside down when it comes to buying nutrients....

Anyone else care to comment on this??
Yes I've been using Kelp4Less products with great success. I'm surprised it took so long for them to catch on in this forum. It is my understanding their main business is BIG AG, they have repacked-ed the product for the indoor grower. What a great idea!!

Pre packaged nutes and additives might be OK for the person growing 1 -2 plants for themselves but the market/patients in my state (Michigan) are getting smarter (good for them) and demanding a better quality, consistent product that the grower can intelligently talk about.

The Nutrient companies and grow stores want to keep growers dumb. Every serious grower should take the time to learn a little about N-P-K and know exactly what they are feeding their plants. As a group we do our self no credit when we talk about feeding our plants with FloraMicro, Rhino Skin. Big Bud, MOAB or any other or any other cute sounding products. We need to keep our eye on the N-P-K and the Ca Mg. I too used over priced store bought jugs of water with little nutrient in it. Once I got my environment under control I then started to look into my nutes. The nute companies would like to think they are doing something magically. Their only magic is to convince people to buy jugs of over priced water, and that does not make them smart. I can't believe how many intelligent farmers I've heard say things like "it's not whats listed on the label that makes it good". Not to digress but I'll never again buy any additive or nutrient that doesn't list whats in it on the label. Would you feed your family some mystery food?

Exercise your free will but you owe it to yourself to have an informed conscience.
 
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