First grow ever, looking to attempt minimalist outdoor in CO

I'm a noob to growing, but living in Colorado and having loved the local herbs for the last decade and loving the developing scene here, I have realized that I should give growing a shot myself given the right opportunity. The right opportunity seems to have come. I have a brother who lives in kind-of-but-not-really nearby BFE. He owns quite a few acres and has recently expressed that he'd like us to partner in growing on one of them. The terrain is on sun-rich 8000'+ altitude Rocky Mountains foothills. That means dry and rocky but tons of sunshine and not a lot of insects. Water will be readily available and so will chicken wire and a close eye otherwise. He would be checking on the plants at least every other day. We want it have minimal start-up and upkeep costs because we are interested in the potential for growing large amounts of decent quality buds with minimal costs. We know being first timers that we're not going to grow famous cannabis...so we're not even going to try to go over the top because a lot of money would likely be ignorantly allocated. But we all know efficiency is king. That's why I'm here asking questions, I want to maximize our potential through efficiency. We will not be running a business, more like starting a family tradition of self-sufficiency. Reading up in the noob/FAQ threads, I see over-tending to plants and over-thinking set-up and growing are the biggest noob mistakes...I'm hoping our approach will avoid that and maximize nature's potential for pure love and green goodness.

Here's my noob plan having been crafted after doing some noob research, with some noob questions inserted in...Let me know what you think!

1. Obtain a good amount of outdoor, quick season Indica clones or seeds. I can get indoor grown Indica clones (female of course) for $15/per, is this my best hope for growing outdoors as a total noob?
2. Begin plants in a mixture of the native soil, Sunshine mix #4, and whatever else might be needed to achieve a good pH level...until they are ready for transplant to the planting site. This is just a stab-in-the-dark mix I thought of after reading here that originally starting plants (indoors) with the native soil you plan to transplant to reduces the shock during the transplant...and I saw another post where someone growing outdoors in CO was using that Sunshine mix as an only medium. Of course I know using natural soil may require balancing the pH. Let me know if any of this is crazy! What's a good mix using natural soil? Or should I be growing in a completely non-native medium placed in a bucket or hole in the ground? I also read in the Outdoor FAQ that Fox Farm Ocean Forest is recommended.
3. Transplant plants. I've read about hardening indoors plants for transplanting to outdoors and about when to plant seedlings, but nothing about WHEN to harden and transplant clones?
4. Kill any males that develop ASAP if I grew from seeds.
5. Harvest by Oct. 1st, maybe earlier given the altitude.
6. Dry and cure. Anything special about harvesting, drying, and curing outdoor mountain buds?

I've also read up on some tips that sound like they might come useful:
-Urinate on the borders of the site often. This is suppose to help keep small and medium sized critters away.
-Start clones/seeds in a tall, thin pot to promote deep roots. This is suppose to be helpful with growing in poor soil.
-Make sure the site has good south-eastern facing sunlight exposure. I've read that cannabis does better with more morning/afternoon light than afternoon/evening light, so naturally that geographical orientation would maximize morning/afternoon light in the northern hemisphere.

I am open to any and all advice and words from MacGuyvers, nay-sayers, pragmatists, carpet-baggers, and utilitarians. LET'S HERE IT!:blsmoke:
 

dbkick

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gonna ship that stuff out of state? because I think Colorado's taste for weed has switched to indoor grown top shelf exclusively, in my case it has anyway. other than that it all sounds plausible. and as far as urinating , hell piss right at the base of the plant, you can never get too much N in shitty soil kid!
 
We both have med cards along with many others in our family. None of us really need the quality of top-shelf dispensary buds and would prefer to grow something for ourselves even if it's only moderate quality. He has the land, we have the interest and time.

Thanks for your suggestion that we'd be doing anything illegal.
 

UncleBuck

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they'll never finish at 8000+ altitude.

my wife's family used to live in evergreen at about 8000 feet, the growing season is too short for cannabis to finish.

you might be able to get some wispy stuff that you can use for hash though.
 

dbkick

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We both have med cards along with many others in our family. None of us really need the quality of top-shelf dispensary buds and would prefer to grow something for ourselves even if it's only moderate quality. He has the land, we have the interest and time.

Thanks for your suggestion that we'd be doing anything illegal.
you might wanna check laws on growing outdoors, I don't think it's suppose to be visible and not a good idea if it is in the first place, so doing something illegal can be as easy as not knowing specifics.
 
they'll never finish at 8000+ altitude.

my wife's family used to live in evergreen at about 8000 feet, the growing season is too short for cannabis to finish.

you might be able to get some wispy stuff that you can use for hash though.
Could you elaborate on this please? Based what I've read on this site, people are growing at these higher altitudes with no problem...unfortunately no one's revealing any details beyond that they're using a short season strain.
 

spandy

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So when you say deep forest, do you mean like 3-4 hour hike, or like grab your bivy and your danners cuz we'z going fucking way out there?
 

UncleBuck

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Could you elaborate on this please? Based what I've read on this site, people are growing at these higher altitudes with no problem...unfortunately no one's revealing any details beyond that they're using a short season strain.
probably with a heated greenhouse.

the season at that altitude is short as shit.
 

indcolts77

Active Member
Dude didnt CO approve cannabis for recreational use?

And just do it, your setup is great and as long as you get 6-8 hours of sun you will get decent product...youre right in seeking out an indica, a sativa will not finish by October... give it a whirl and think about using time release ferts and/or organic amendments
 
I'm not sure when I'll plant or harvest yet because I'm not sure what I'll be growing...I'm looking at locally sourcing seeds, clones, or both...and am only calling around at this point since Spring is so far away. The grow site temps generally mirror Colorado Springs but 5-10 degrees cooler given the 1000 foot altitude increase and the relatively extreme north-eastern facing incline of the property. I realize this is a major disadvantage given the geography for the best sun would be a southeastern facing property...but it is what it is and the property still gets a lot of sun either way especially where the tree cover allows it (fairly thick pine forest).

I've done quite a bit more research and have revised my plan for the grow site along with a few questions:
I'm thinking we'll cut down some trees to expose more sun onto a patch of the hillside. We'll use those trees (and probably some plywood) to build a fairly large platform that is raised level at least five to six feet above the ground. From my reading, Amendment 64 will allow us to flower 6 plants with two adults living on the property, but there's nothing limiting plant size...so I'm thinking we'll grow in 55 gallon plastic drums! Either way they'll sit on this platform of course, raised away from most pests and up towards the glorious sun. We'll cut holes in the bottom of the drums for drainage and cut holes in the platform so water can drip into buckets underneath that we'll use to monitor drainage for each plant (this seems like useful information especially for watering since we're likely to over water as noobs). I'm thinking my brother and his wife will end up watering them by hand. I'm considering building a wall on the west side of the platform for weather protection (most notably hail, it happens every year and it's intense) but I don't want to limit sun exposure...so I'm consider maybe a plexiglass wall but my noob alarm is kinda going off with that one. Here's a good question: Does plexiglass significantly adulterate sunlight passing through it? I've only read that it reduces the intensity of UV light, but what does that mean for growing? Also, I think we'll want to insulate the drums somehow since the roots won't be in the ground and the drums will be surrounded by mountain air instead of ground soil (this is the only disadvantage I can think of to growing on a raised platform versus burying the drums in the ground).

I've been intrigued by the wicking concept: cut one big hole in the bottom of the intended plant container, then run a length of natural fiber multi-strand rope up through the hole. Undo all the strands on the last 6" of both ends, "fraying/frizzing" them. Fill the container with the growing medium, evenly running the strands throughout the bottom soil. Plant as normal, and run the other end of the rope into a water source placed directly beneath the plant container. Apparently the plant will water itself, so to speak, and only pull the water it needs up through the rope through capillary action...
Like this:wick-watering.jpgWill this work (well) for growing cannabis? If so, anything else I need to know to have it work right? Obviously if I did this I wouldn't be monitoring drainage with buckets like I mentioned above. If this were done, I imagine the above-ground part of the plant would still want some direct watering too, no? Like on hot days, for example...? I also read that multiple wicks would be best. I basically am wondering if this or regular manual watering would be best? Either way, the plants would get misted by hand.

Thanks for any input!
 

colo420

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Legal in Colorado now Ad 64 , 6 plants 21 and up.
And unless you grow the right Indica , they will never finish.
You need to start them early inside , move them out in spring , let them veg for a short time , then start covering them to flower out of season , if you can flower during July and August , finish in early September it can and will work.
 
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