Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
You tell me.I wonder why it works for so many people if it's so wrong?
Kinda like America re-electing Obama - "a thousand flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong".
You tell me.I wonder why it works for so many people if it's so wrong?
Well UB when I read statements like, "but on that note anyone who believes defoliation isnt beneficial dosent realize that when a leaf casts a shadow on one below it that leaf becomes useless", its makes me laugh my ass off. Yep, these guys really know their botany!. Fact is its just easier for them to believe the unbelievable rather than the scientific facts presented. Let them prune away, good for them.....
first hand experiences, im not the type to keep a list full of URLs to post on here but when i say something i say it because ive seen it myself. look on the internet and im sure youll find popcorn nugs(or any growth not towards the top of your plant) arent as mature as buds that are closer to the light(it make more sense a plant would focus more energy on the bud closest to its light source, its working towards getting more lumens, come on dude i dont need to give you a source for that). so since these lower, insignificant bud sites arent given the nutrients to mature(i also noticed the tops of top buds are usually the most frosty part of the plant, the first pistil always appears on the top node as well, more proof that the highest bud spots gets the most energy), they lack potency, and their calyxs arent given the chance to swell and fill with resin.Source?...
Why the fuck would I grow a smaller plant to yield less than I would by growing a larger plant and defoliating as needed. Your logic is flawed.if you have shadows ur plant is too tall for the strength of the light. u have too many leaf sets for ur space and light grow a smaller plant with equal yeild or fewer plants and lst nice and wide
ill do a side by side next season if i got a good spot, or someone ask one of the hundreds of people on here starting new grow from clones to do it and im sure they'd accept if they got a few to spare. its not always easy to take someones word when theres so many myths about it, and some think defoliating means stripping your plant of all fan leaves except a few, but i assure you a plant defoliated and trained to fully expose all growth and by keeping all the bud sites equivalent distance away from the light you get more yield and potency due to the equal spread of nutes/energy, exposing all growth isnt exactly achievable without a bit of trimming and training(except some indica strains that have small leaves and larger node separation dont need really any trimming, however training is always beneficial if done right). and i know ub has been a bit hard headed but give him a break, everyone on this forum questions everything everyone says(and i dont blame them, this thread alone proves why you should question things), even i have to sometimes try to clarify the most obvious facts to some of the more arrogant users but some things are hammered into people heads. but we arent here to bitch at each other for not being sure of something, we want to know what is good for cannabis and what isnt, when someone tells you something different be open minded, hostility isnt necessary, smoke some bowls and relax before you make a fool out of yourself(not towards anyone directly, more or less anyone on riu that resolve arguments by acting completely ignorant).Well side by side tests and comparisons along with peer review IS actually how science is done. The neat thing about science is that it is always growing and learning. Some long held hypothesis have been replaced when a better one comes along.
Having a closed mind and claiming to KNOW is what stagnates scientific discovery. Being unwilling to even experiment for yourself only proves that you are a follower with no ideas worth hearing. I dont doube that you grow good dope UB, but you are unbearably arrogant.
It's as if shivaskunk took the words from my mouth. UB is so sure he and his novel writing buddies from the 60's got everything right there's no need for critical thought or testing. He knows 'what makes a plant tick,' and that's all that matters.You tell me.
Kinda like America re-electing Obama - "a thousand flies on a pile of shit can't be wrong".
Why the fuck would I grow a smaller plant to yield less than I would by growing a larger plant and defoliating as needed. Your logic is flawed.
first hand experiences,.....
Look, the MAIN reason why buds "close to the light" are bulked up more versus those found at lower plant levels is due to apical dominance and timing, they are produced first. The plant will focus "its energy" on what was produced first. It's mainly a hormonal response. I'm not gonna get into light quality as I've beat that subject to death too.and im sure youll find popcorn nugs(or any growth not towards the top of your plant) arent as mature as buds that are closer to the light
You mean "anecdotal evidence", which is based on subjective feelings, thoughts. Empirical evidence is based on careful field/indoor studies using a control group and replicated at least 3 times in perhaps several geographical areas. Feel free to give me a link or a book title/author regarding your "empirical evidence". IOW, prove it.You keep saying that you base what you do on 'science,' but when you won't accept empirical evidence
Exactly how does the increases in yields and plant vigor happen as you remove the very part that produces them? Dat's some mighty fine voodoo magic ya got thar, "buddy".that says defolication CAN (in the right circumstances) increase overall yeild and plant vigor you are, by definition, rejecting it. Understanding science means understanding you don't have it all figured out, buddy.
That's what I thought, hah! We got another snot nose college kid that didn't learn shit in college!Speaking as someone who will graduate in may with a bs in biological science and international studies, fuck you.
Ahhhhhhh, and now we get into politics. OK you liberal tard, if you voted for that con man, Obama, you need your head examined.that your political ideals are as woefully misguided as your understanding of these topics, and you aren't capable of understanding much of anything.
.....more anecdotal evidence, seeing what you want to see, seeing what you think you'd see, etc. etc.
Look, the MAIN reason why buds "close to the light" are bulked up more versus those found at lower plant levels is due to apical dominance and timing, they are produced first. The plant will focus "its energy" on what was produced first. It's mainly a hormonal response. I'm not gonna get into light quality as I've beat that subject to death too.
I just harvested outdoor plants and I did several things, as usual - I topped to 4 main colas and come harvest time, took out the bulked fat colas and left the plants for a couple of weeks or so to bulk up the lower buds. It was mostly worthless regarding the Haze as they were more air than calyxes but worked well on the mutts (Peak19 backcrosses).
BTW, those plants got considerable shade during the day, filtered sunlight from to bottom, and did just fine.
UB