Is being straight a choice?

kelly4

kelly4

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Hepheastus420 said:
Good point.

Read the above post ^^ .. I back down.. I'm all ears now. I don't want to hear how I'm a home.. Homoe hater lol. God.. I even asked if being STRAIGHT was a choice in hopes people would move past automatically assuming bad things about me and we could move straight into facts. So far only wizard has done that.
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I'll be back to help in a bit, I've got to run to the gas station.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Hepheastus420 said:
Well no shit lol. That's why I asked if being straight is a choice.. Then everybody started preaching about how it's ok to be gay like I didn't already know that.

But is it a choice or not?
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Well, this is only one person's combination of experience and opinion, but ... for most, No. The only real choice is whether or not to express one's sexuality as it is. I do think that there are essentially pansexual individuals (and no, they don't fuck the cookware) who can adapt to any sort of sexual situation ... but they are a minority. cn
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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cannabineer said:
Well, this is only one person's combination of experience and opinion, but ... for most, No. The only real choice is whether or not to express one's sexuality as it is. I do think that there are essentially pansexual individuals (and no, they don't fuck the cookware) who can adapt to any sort of sexual situation ... but they are a minority. cn
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neer, can you please explain to me why it's so bad to ask this question? I really didn't want to hurt any feelings. And I still don't know how this is an offensive question.

You're level headed and I know you'll give it to me straight without saying I'm horrible lol. So please explain.

And if I'm in the wrong, sorry everybody. I didn't mean anything bad by asking.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Hepheastus420 said:
neer, can you please explain to me why it's so bad to ask this question? I really didn't want to hurt any feelings. And I still don't know how this is an offensive question.

You're level headed and I know you'll give it to me straight without saying I'm horrible lol. So please explain.

And if I'm in the wrong, sorry everybody. I didn't mean anything bad by asking.
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There are some questions that cannot be asked without the audience assuming they're loaded.
I believe that you're asking an unprejudiced question and willing to accept a convincing answer. However, usually that question is Socratic in nature, concealing a springloaded agenda.
The other trouble surfaces: what answer will convince? All any of us really have is anecdote, usually about self.
Imo Carne (before his off the deep end post, lol) and Total Head have pretty much answered it. Strong evidence for not-a-choice is the fact that despite strong social pressure, incl, from ones closest and most influential peers e.g. family, to be otherwise, gay people are what they are ... as are the straights. TH put his finger on something very important when he observed that the inner dialogue society forces on most sexually-others can be mistaken for a choice.
Oh ... and you're horrible. :mrgreen: cn
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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cannabineer said:
There are some questions that cannot be asked without the audience assuming they're loaded.
I believe that you're asking an unprejudiced question and willing to accept a convincing answer. However, usually that question is Socratic in nature, concealing a springloaded agenda.
The other trouble surfaces: what answer will convince? All any of us really have is anecdote, usually about self.
Imo Carne (before his off the deep end post, lol) and Total Head have pretty much answered it. Strong evidence for not-a-choice is the fact that despite strong social pressure, incl, from ones closest and most influential peers e.g. family, to be otherwise, gay people are what they are ... as are the straights. TH put his finger on something very important when he observed that the inner dialogue society forces on most sexually-others can be mistaken for a choice.
Oh ... and you're horrible. :mrgreen: cn
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Explain one more thing please.. What would my agenda be? Like what would it matter if it's a choice or not?

It seems to me that a few other members are the ones with agendas. Jumping to shoot down what I was previously thinking without any proof and only opinions. Why would they do that? What's so offensive about it possibly being a choice?

Get what I'm saying? Like so what if fred chooses to be straight or not? Who cares if he was made gay or not? It doesn't matter to me.. Why does it matter to a few other members?
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Hepheastus420 said:
Wait.. getting ahead of myself. I can't prove it's a choice.. But I'm pretty sure it is.
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I still stick by what I told kaendar sunny. I'm not giving facts. Because I can't. All I have is my guess. And I'm trying to make it an educated guess at that but it's not working lol.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Hepheastus420 said:
Explain one more thing please.. What would my agenda be? Like what would it matter if it's a choice or not?
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I'm assuming you remember Kaendar's threads on the topic. They serve as an excellent example of agenda.
It seems to me that a few other members are the ones with agendas. Jumping to shoot down what I was previously thinking without any proof and only opinions. Why would they do that? What's so offensive about it possibly being a choice?

Get what I'm saying? Like so what if fred chooses to be straight or not? Who cares if he was made gay or not? It doesn't matter to me.. Why does it matter to a few other members?
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Consider the following question.
"Should there be a White History Month analogous to Black History Month?"
On the surface, a reasonable question. But it is irredeemably tainted by the extensive history of colossally unjust race relations not just in this country but worldwide. It's almost certainly* a veiled complaint about presumed preferential treatment for a race other than one's own.

Gays have also had a rather oppressed life in the States. When you ask what is prima facie a "straight question", you automatically trip well-conditioned responses from folks who've been paying attention to the dialogue about sexuality in our media. And as K has shown us, the seemingly innocent question usually conceals a mind made up to continue treating gays as less than full members of society or congregation or humanity - and looking for legitimacy, an excuse.
So, even if it isn't always true, it becomes generally accepted/understood that the the History Month question really means "Hey everybody! I'm bigoted against black people!"
And the "is sexuality a choice?" question is generally interpreted as "I'm a homophobe!" It isn't rational, but it is a consequence of culture. cn

*Not always, of course, There's always somebody in the autism spectrum or a hermit who "didn't get the memo". That's the sort of poor sod who generally steps squarely into it, and is bewildered. As I am somewhat autistic and hermetic, I;ve stuck my foot into it up to my hip socket ... on subjects whose history of controversy I did not know.
 
TriPurple

TriPurple

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Hepheastus420 said:
Go ahead and ask me that. I'm not gonna get offended like everybody else lol.

To answer your question, IDK. I'd like to know though. Can you help me find out?

And guys, chill. Prove me wrong, cool. If you prove me wrong, I'll prove somebody else wrong. Done deal.
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Basically if you can choose, you could go either way. That's gay (Not that there's anything wrong with that). ;-)
 
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