Blue Widow Bag seed? good or bad?

[medical/420]

Hello fellow Pot growers.

I have Blue widow from dinafem, and my plants hermied alittle, and pollonated them selfs. so i got Seeds.

would it be worth growing some seeds out. I know someone else that grow some blue widow bag seed and it was really good smoke.

I grow badass weed, so it will have to be good to be worth whille.


Has anybody grew blue widow bag seed be fore, and if so was it good?


I have a small breeding program going on, and have made some killer seeds before, from both Male pollon and Hermi pollon.

just looking for you 2 cents

 

[Agito]

I would not as i mentioned on another trait no forced hermi problem will lead to a greater chance of hermi in the new plants

 

[medical/420]

I would not as i mentioned on another trait no forced hermi problem will lead to a greater chance of hermi in the new plants

I know it will hermi, but i have REVERSE. I should have said it before, but I want BLUEBERRY weed, That is what i am trying to do here.

I had a plant from a hermi bag seed, of caterak kush, and it would not hermi when it should of, (high heat, inconsistant lighting.) We couldn't make her hermi under normal condiotions, when other plants that were stable strains next to it hermied... LOL but that is the only time we had a NON-hermi, from a hermi...

But yeah i want BLUEBERRY

 

[Agito]

ok so you have 1 stable plant x one hermi plant if thats right my comment still stands

you will have less chance of hermi maybe but a parent is still carrying that trait

A breeder looks for 2 parent plants that dont hermi under eviro stress then they use chemicals STS CS or G acid etc to make the to very stable plants hermi now you have a solid strain but they very rarely do this as they dont grow enough examples to find solid plants like your kush and most breeders pollen chuckers

you might get some ok examples but you still have rolled the dice

 

[RCgrowerman]

I would almost never plant seeds from a Hermie because Im not trying to deal with that shit.At the end of the day you are just increasing the likelihood that it turns out that way by
using those seeds. Go spend some money if you are in a medicated state don't waste your time with a seeds from known hermies (unless you know it was your fault they hermed in the first place.)

 

[Agito]

DJ shorts makes the real blueberry seeds mate there not cheap though

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

I would not as i mentioned on another trait no forced hermi problem will lead to a greater chance of hermi in the new plants

im pretty sure your wrong here man, just because it came from a hermie dosent mean its offspring will MORE prone to hermaphrodism.

to the original poster, the genetic makeup should be pretty dam close to the mother as theres no other genes going into the pool. growing hermie seeds is a controversial topic and RIU is not a good place to seek information on the subject as there are more misinformed people than not. if you want to make a decision based on here say and regurjitated bullshit then trust the people on here. if you want to make a well informed decision based on FACTS than its time you educate yourself on hermaphrodism in canabis and then make your call.

personally i would grow the shit out of them bean!!!

and to Agito i mean no disrespect towards you and my comments in no way are directed at you personally.

 

[Agito]

No disrespect
but bear in mind jorge cervantes quotes the same in his book and in jorge I trust more than most members on here

Also theres a breed MJ book that says similar

so why did one strain and the other one did not?

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

I know it will hermi, but i have REVERSE. I should have said it before, but I want BLUEBERRY weed, That is what i am trying to do here.

I had a plant from a hermi bag seed, of caterak kush, and it would not hermi when it should of, (high heat, inconsistant lighting.) We couldn't make her hermi under normal condiotions, when other plants that were stable strains next to it hermied... LOL but that is the only time we had a NON-hermi, from a hermi...

But yeah i want BLUEBERRY

plants that hermie arent always hermied due to stress or bad genetics...well sorta. Just because one plant hermies dosent necesarily mean its offspring were. the plant that hermied could actually be from a line of genetics that almost never hermies but the trait was more promenent in that particular seed. could possible give off offspring that wont hermie one bit or it could give off offspring that are 1/2 & 1/2 like i said its a relativly broad subject that dives into genetics and the biology of the canabis plant. im not saying people that say not to grow them are wrong but im also saying they arent right either

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

No disrespect but jorge cervantes quotes the same in his book and in jorge I trust more than most members on here

Also theres a breed MJ book that says similar

and how exactly do you know that the hermie was or was not stress induced since plant stress is completly different and sometimes not apparent to the human eye.

 

[Agito]

• Here is a couple of paragraphs from the Indoor Bible, by Jorge Cervantes
  
  Environment and Stress
  
  Always give plants the absolute most stable environment possible. Stable environment allows plants to follow their genetic traits without interference. Stress plants by altering the environment and genetic characteristics are affected. Some likely characteristics of environmental stress include abnormal flowers and flowering traits. Often rookie breeders turn the lights out for a day or two or leave the lights on too long after a consistent 12 hour light/dark period is maintained and plants produce abnormal flowers - female flowers with male parts, a stigma protruding from a male flower or female flowers bearing male anthers.
  
  Sex reversal is often result from stressed plants. Sporadic male flowers on a predominately female plant frequently occur on stressed plants. These sexually confused plants are not natural hermaphrodites. They are stressed plants with intersex tendencies manifested as hermaphrodite or monocious plants. Do not confuse these deviations to be a new variety or a hermaphrodite plant. Such plants are the result of stress and not suitable for breeding stock. Had these plants been grown properly, they would be suitable for selective breeding. Stressed plants with hermaphroditic tendencies are generally less potent and low yielding. A person must learn to be a good grower before they can become a good breeder.​
  
  

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

• Here is a couple of paragraphs from the Indoor Bible, by Jorge Cervantes
  
  Environment and Stress
  
  Always give plants the absolute most stable environment possible. Stable environment allows plants to follow their genetic traits without interference. Stress plants by altering the environment and genetic characteristics are affected. Some likely characteristics of environmental stress include abnormal flowers and flowering traits. Often rookie breeders turn the lights out for a day or two or leave the lights on too long after a consistent 12 hour light/dark period is maintained and plants produce abnormal flowers - female flowers with male parts, a stigma protruding from a male flower or female flowers bearing male anthers.
  
  Sex reversal is often result from stressed plants. Sporadic male flowers on a predominately female plant frequently occur on stressed plants. These sexually confused plants are not natural hermaphrodites. They are stressed plants with intersex tendencies manifested as hermaphrodite or monocious plants. Do not confuse these deviations to be a new variety or a hermaphrodite plant. Such plants are the result of stress and not suitable for breeding stock. Had these plants been grown properly, they would be suitable for selective breeding. Stressed plants with hermaphroditic tendencies are generally less potent and low yielding. A person must learn to be a good grower before they can become a good breeder.​
  
  

its is Often not always the result from stressed plants. the reason a canabis plant can hermie is a survival instinct so they will also hermie do to feeling like they wont get pollinated the normal way, there are many reasons one can hermie. anyways im not here to debate the subject all im trying to say is educate before making a decision and RIU is not the right place to become educated on biology and genetics. you can argue with me all day long if you want and keep on posting quotes but when it comes down to it george cervantes dosent know everything about canabis biology and genetics, he may be a great grower but ill take actual research papers and facts over anything he has to say.

like i said im by far an expert on the subject but i have done a fair amount of research on it. You should try and broaden your own perspectives instead of reading something in a book and thinking that its the one and only way......

 

[Agito]

Im just saying you mention educate yourself but what im showing you is ive done my best by reading books by pioneers in the field such as jorge and Ed

So Ive done what I can
If you got any research paper referring to this ill be happy for a link until then I'll go with the guy with these 2 as there info seems reliable
thats the important part

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[RetiredMatthebrute]

I would not as i mentioned on another trait no forced hermi problem will lead to a greater chance of hermi in the new plants

what i was saying is your telling him that you would not use them because they will lead to a plant that is going to be even more of a hermaphrodite.

i said that you were incorect because theres no way you can know this for a fact as there are hundreds of variables that play a role in wether the plant passes down a stronger genetical chance to hermie or if it hermied for other reasons.

im not trying to tell you to educate yourself, im telling the original poster to do some research on the topic and not ask the know it all morons on RIU because you guys get an idea in your head and no one can tell you otherwise. you obviously have read tons on the subject and know everything on it as well as everything that went on on the original posters grow room to lead up to getting a hermaphrodite plant.

stop trying to prove yourself right and open your eyes to the fact that theres too many possibilities for you to be able to say that with 100% certainty the seeds he got are going to be hermie plants. thats all im saying man....to the original poster..sorry for all the clutter on your thread. do yourself a favor and do a bit of reading as theres lots of articles on the topic but they might be a bit difficult to locate. as i said before im not saying that the plant wont hermie, im not saying it will either. your original question was is the buds going to be good and to that i can tell you that the offspring should be pretty close to what the mother plant was as the mother is the only genetical contributer to the offspring.

 

[RetiredMatthebrute]

every single canabis plant ever grown has and will continue to have the chance to hermie. its a natural part of the plants genetics in its survival traits...no males around, female plant self polinates....you will never get a seed that dosent have these traits but you will get some that are more dominant....more dominant hermaphrodite traits equals a better chance to hermie....

 

[medical/420]

here is a ACE OF SPADES X BLUEWIDOW seedling