Astir Grow Led Panel Project...

PetFlora

Well-Known Member
Leafy or not .....
Please show me or give me a link ,with a grow that resembles this ...
With a red/blue combo of 135 Watts ,please...
And preferably ,asian cheapos ,onewatters ,unlensed leds used...
Driven ,also, with crappy drivers....
....
I'll be waitin'....
....
Now...
If you dislike those panels,simply do not buy ...
There are plenty of led makers out there...
" Made in USA "...As you ,probably,like them to be ....
(Although that ,they are made in China ,in fact..
Approx. 95% of them....)

Here in Europe....
....
There are plenty of others ,that they are ,even,
willing to be on a waitin' list,for those Astir panels...
( ....I can assure you, for that... :-P .... )
And it's not about the money.....
( At least ,not only for the money....)

I just hate/dislike ,"standalone" red or blue leds ....
Or any other monochromatic led...
I'm pretty sure ,we can do without 'em...
How I should put it ?

We want to be different.....



Now,you'll have to excuse me ..
I've a research to continue...

P.S. : Pink is not red... More like Red+Blue+ a bit of the rest visible wls (=>White )...
And yes ..." Red wls " is a total different thing from " red leds "....
"Red" begins at c. 600nm and goes all the way up to c.720 nm ..
Still to find a red led to cover all the red bandwidth...
....
Now now. No need to be defensive. We all come to the table with certain preconceived limitations. It's hard for many to grasp new information. Especially when it involves wattage and/or spectral balance. 2-3+ generations of the same strain will provide considerably better results which still may not be enough for some to break free of their programming

 

jubiare

Active Member
Leafy or not .....
Please show me or give me a link ,with a grow that resembles this ...
With a red/blue combo of 135 Watts ,please...
And preferably ,asian cheapos ,onewatters ,unlensed leds used...
Driven ,also, with crappy drivers....
....
I'll be waitin'....
....
do you really believe there is nothing? Do you go around threads there is many
this is one comparable, HGL a few years ago tech, not 1watters sorry (actually they are 1watters)
but leds and drivers should be quite comparable
verdantgreen (very good grower)
97gr the panel is 120 diodes total watt 104 ...sorry 90degree lenses, spectrum red/blue but with monochromatic green in it
this was a few years back or something like that





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Now...
If you dislike those panels,simply do not buy ...
There are plenty of led makers out there...
" Made in USA "...As you ,probably,like them to be ....
(Although that ,they are made in China ,in fact..
Approx. 95% of them....)

WTF are you talking about excuse me sir but I make my own like you, just don't sell them and not planning to do it
but what's wrong with made in USA I am from europe too by the way fella


Here in Europe....
....
There are plenty of others ,that they are ,even,
willing to be on a waitin' list,for those Astir panels...
( ....I can assure you, for that... :razz: .... )
And it's not about the money.....
( At least ,not only for the money....)
Well good luck with that sir, if you have chosen to make a living out of it best of luck with the business

I just hate/dislike ,"standalone" red or blue leds ....
Or any other monochromatic led...
I'm pretty sure ,we can do without 'em...
How I should put it ?

We want to be different.....

You stated you are here as a team for the best spectrum and you'll never stop til you find it
....or you want to be different?
also if you dislike/hate something, are you gonna just change your mind for the sake of the best spectrum or....
.....you confuse me!




P.S. : Pink is not red... More like Red+Blue+ a bit of the rest visible wls (=>White )...
And yes ..." Red wls " is a total different thing from " red leds "....
"Red" begins at c. 600nm and goes all the way up to c.720 nm ..
Still to find a red led to cover all the red bandwidth...
....

Well I know what is pinky mate, loadsn(mine too) of spectrum lately is very pinky but I just mix different diodes and get that
if your "one chip" turn out to be that good I might buy some of those some day with no hesitation.... good luck with that


but it could also be that is unnecessary? given you can already mix them up? maybe more efficiently?

I don't know, do you?


Now,you'll have to excuse me ..
I've a research to continue...
You are very much excused sir..
your contribution is very precious to the community

but please excuse me too, you can't go around bashing monochromatics or 660's just because you dislike them
or take things for granted like whites is the way
because what is really coming up so far is that "is a way", not "the way"
just wait a tad longer before being so sure about your claims
especially if you are going pinky, do you see what I am saying?

Just that, because thanking you a bit of interesting things are being discovered
like: penetration is only archived by 3 or 5 watters
that's a mith .... 1 watter are "penetrating" it seems eheh

and let's bear in mind an important thing
as the only true master of leds of all used to say:
be careful about all the scientific info you find on the internet, many of them are false claims!
(knna)

take care everybody, wheter you are "white or "red"
peace
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
do you really believe there is nothing? Do you go around threads there is many
this is one comparable, HGL a few years ago tech, not 1watters sorry (actually they are 1watters)
but leds and drivers should be quite comparable
verdantgreen (very good grower)
97gr the panel is 120 diodes total watt 104 ...sorry 90degree lenses, spectrum red/blue but with monochromatic green in it
this was a few years back or something like that


Yeah...VG is a very good grower ,indeed..
Now...B+R+G = ? (kinda of .... )
And I'm regardin' that Ganja is already over 1 gpw ...(Just "regarding ",though ...)


WTF are you talking about excuse me sir but I make my own like you, just don't sell them and not planning to do it
but what's wrong with made in USA I am from europe too by the way fella

You want the truth ? It was never my own idea to sell them or mass-product them ,anyway ....
The idea came from fellow growers....The later to be the "Astir " team...
And they were/are pretty excited about them....
( Growers that were totally strangers,at first place ..Exchanging posts in a forum..Now we are family .... )

More truth ?

I do not like myshelf the panels,right now...
(Even though they are doing their job ,just fine.... )
I know I / We can make them a whole lot better....
There's where,the F@(Kin' money is needed,trully....

Well good luck with that sir, if you have chosen to make a living out of it best of luck with the business
Ha .." Make a living " now ,where I live is just soundin' like a joke....
3.500 people commited suicide from the beginning of summer,till now....
Lost their jobs ,lost their houses....
Children are fainting at schools ,because they haven't eaten anything for days ...
Real unemployment figures are well over 30% ...
People are fighting over garbage bins ,outside Super-markets ,just for some rotten tomatoes....
I myshelf have had just water in my fridge for several months now...
(And some butter,maybe... Although I think is from last year...)
Make a living ?
First we have to survive ...
Thank " God " ,we have found/made /discover a decent & cheap ( energy consuming -wise ) way to grow our precious herb...
I have better times when I've weed and no money...


You stated you are here as a team for the best spectrum and you'll never stop til you find it
....or you want to be different?
also if you dislike/hate something, are you gonna just change your mind for the sake of the best spectrum or....
.....you confuse me!


Myshelf I'm pretty confused about it...
That's why I keep searching and re-searching ,again & again....


Well I know what is pinky mate, loadsn(mine too) of spectrum lately is very pinky but I just mix different diodes and get that
if your "one chip" turn out to be that good I might buy some of those some day with no hesitation.... good luck with that


but it could also be that is unnecessary? given you can already mix them up? maybe more efficiently?

I don't know, do you?


No...But for sure , I'm going to find out....

You are very much excused sir..
your contribution is very precious to the community

but please excuse me too, you can't go around bashing monochromatics or 660's just because you dislike them
or take things for granted like whites is the way
because what is really coming up so far is that "is a way", not "the way"
just wait a tad longer before being so sure about your claims
especially if you are going pinky, do you see what I am saying?

Just that, because thanking you a bit of interesting things are being discovered
like: penetration is only archived by 3 or 5 watters
that's a mith .... 1 watter are "penetrating" it seems eheh

Ok then...
As you put it...
There will be a time ,-as with penetration thing - that people will eventually find out ,
that some WW are way better than any 620,630,640,650 or 660 led...
It may take some time ....
But It will come...
I'll try my best for that...

and let's bear in mind an important thing
as the only true master of leds of all used to say:
be careful about all the scientific info you find on the internet, many of them are false claims!
(knna)

take care everybody, wheter you are "white or "red"
peace


Exactly ..
That's why I read them ,study them and then put things in a test...
But anyway...
I'm conducting my own researches...
My lab equip is getting better and better ,and the Astir team is way supportive,in many ways...
True family....

But still ...
Can't you see ?
No 660 reds there....
And still the grow looks pretty fine....
(Leafy ? It's White Russian we're talkin' about,don't forget...A famous for it's dense & lush canopy,strain... )

Narrow band 660 ?

Question : Do you know how many and which , factories around the globe produce 660 nm high-power DIES ?
( Spoiler : + / - 10 )

So...If indeed asian deep reds are narrow banded....(let's assume that those are cheaper 660 nm dies )..
Still for the price of one " branded " "broad-band 660" led ,I can order 10 custom -made ones ...(of a really good quality...Not ordinary cheapos ...)
And maybe those be pink or really "Warm " whites....
Soon to be proved , that they 're way better ,than any red led ......


( I'm taking measurements of different plants growing under different wls ....
3 to 3.5 μg / cm^2 anthocyanin leaf content ,is not something good for plant growth...
It smells " Stress from light " all the way....Guess under which color,mainly ,of monochromatic leds this happens...
Not of a particular wl ,though....Same sh!t happens approx ,be it ...630 or ...660 nm )

Step by step...
 

jubiare

Active Member
Cool Man

Hey what's the v for each white and for each red driven at 350mA?

And what that would be for the pinky ones if you know already?
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
V ?
I'm guessing you mean the voltage drop Vf ( aka forward voltage... )..
Well, for red dies { AlGaP -AlGaAs-GaAsP-AlGaInP & GaP ) is at the range of 2-2,5 Volts ( @350mA )
( Although stated as 1.63 < &#916;V < 2.03 )..
Anyway...Pinks have a blue chip ...2.48 < &#916;V < 3.7 ....Circa 3.3-3.5 ..(Same as all whites at @ 350mA )
 

ganja 2

Active Member
Nice work ganja..
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harvest ...12th week of flowering.... 15-17 /12/12
 

Piromanis

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jubiare

Active Member
Yes so it's still more watt consuming utilising whites or the pinky. Something to consider, one thing is a hundred reds running an other thing is a hundred whites.... there has to be the greatest efficiency to beat the old school watt x watt.

Anyway once again, I am personally glad you experiment within an area I don't.

Regarding Greece, it's really scary; by what you say people are starving but everybody is still playing the game. They have done it so well than we just starve and wait?

I would have thought you people would have been on the streets all of you stopping the whole game

On a universal note
The game will end sooner or later, the monetary system will end... it's just a game.


thezeitgeistmovement.com
 

locoezon

Active Member
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We have however also the ancient Greek language!

Forget that ancient Greek she is the mother of languages? Remind that Greek professors of university do give lectures in foreigner universities speaking Greek and they become perceptible, why the Greek words that they use are roots of foreigner words? Remind that most sciences do use terminology with Greek words? Remind that ancient and new Greek is taught in foreigner universities? Remind that &#922;&#945;&#953;&#957;&#942; &#916;&#953;&#945;&#952;&#942;&#954;&#951; and the Revelation were written in language Greek)
 

Piromanis

Member
Finally pyromani appears that our language “it is fought” by the all sides…
We have however also the ancient Greek language!
You are so right my friend Loco..!!
It seems they don't like us very much but i don't blame them, they do as they know.

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guod

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Globalista!
americanos holly johnson
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guod

Well-Known Member
...

Can I also point out to you SDS, there is something you must know but I'd like to remind you of this?
Most Chinese 660nm reds are very narrow band; A very narrow 660nm is different than a large band 660nm (osram, rebel ...actually rebels used to be amazing with a very large band, now that changed slightly). Narrow band 660nm are suspected by many reputable sources to be causing issues, especially if present in large amounts.
Chinese manufactors has to change a equtation based on physical Laws for this. Not easy!

rebels used to be amazing with a very large band...

the LUXEON Rebel ES - Wavelength Characteristics
DS68-14.jpg

do you mean 660nm?

or you are talking about beam angels...
 

Piromanis

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americanos holly johnson
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We all live on the same planet my friend..!!
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
We all live on the same planet my friend..!!
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My last night
Tonight I'm spending
and those who embittered me
Now that I am leaving from this life,
I forgive them all...

Everything is just a lie
just a sigh,just a breath
Like a flower,a hand
will (cut ) pick us ,at a dawn

Where I go,
tears and pain,do not pass.
All the sufferings and sorrows
here will stay with the alive..
And I'll just go alone..

Everything is just a lie
just a sigh,just a breath
Like a flower,a hand
will (cut ) pick us ,at a dawn

Two doors has life
I opened the first and went
a morning strolling around
and until dusk came ,
From the other I stepped out...

Everything is just a lie
just a sigh,just a breath
Like a flower,a hand
will (cut ) pick us ,at a dawn

Performer : S.Kazantzidis.
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
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Come ,at heaven's door
someone planted two cannabis trees
Come ,at heaven's door
someone planted two cannabis trees

And as they grow and bloom,
the angels revel.
And as they grow and bloom,
the angels revel.

And the Saint , hides His's holy keys
as he sees his children
To leave holy books
and start dancing ...

Come ,at heaven's door
the two cannabis trees ,have grown
Come ,at heaven's door
the two cannabis trees ,have grown

And they bloomed small flowers
chastening the angels
and they bloomed small flowers
chastening the angels
( Hellenic Rebetiko/"Tsifteteli " Song )
 

jubiare

Active Member
Chinese manufactors has to change a equtation based on physical Laws for this. Not easy!

rebels used to be amazing with a very large band...

the LUXEON Rebel ES - Wavelength Characteristics
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do you mean 660nm?

or you are talking about beam angels...
Oh god ...guod god guod god

Give it a break.. narrow band is all so close to 660nm, large band is ranging from 640/670 or similar...

Rebels used to have the largest band but that has changed

Most Chinese 660nm have a narrower band action, not alike the gd+ you used

That's all
 
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