Cannabisworks
Active Member
ya thought so. shouldnt have said you could give any recipe then...whos the lier now hey and fraud. you need more data? ill list it
Advanced Nutrients LIE on their labels...
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Cannabisworks
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pretty confusing to see decimals and its a bloom booster? why so week if thats what the food is available and is suposed to be a booster
The Yorkshireman
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So "you've been here years and have lost old log in shit". How is that possible when all that is needed to get your username and password sent to you is just the original E-mail address? Hmmmm........I smell bullshit!
The current profile you use is 3 months old, in those 3 months with that profile you have contradicted the job you do 3 times and THEN state you no longer do!
Anybody can read ALL YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS (up to 20 pages worth) and like I said based on your statements in those posts I KNOW YOU TALK SHIT AND DON'T KNOW YOUR STUFF!
NO YOU WOULDN'T PUT BEESWAX IN THE SOIL OBVIOUSLY!
Thanks, you have just brought my attention to a minor typo on my part so I've adjusted the following quote before posting but even so.
"Triacontanol is fatty alcohol that is naturally occuring and is found in plant cuticle waxes and other things such as Beeswax.
When manufactured for use as in plant stimulant products it comes in 1 form, a white crystalline powder stable in light, air and alkali that is none soluble in water.
The benefits of Tria are skeptical due to its inefficient solubility"
YOU REALLY ARE STUPID WITH A THREE SECOND ATTENTION SPAN!
You obviously know nothing about whey protein, like I said why don't you enlighten us with what you think it can do for plants (and yes it is the same,whey protein is whey protein. the same stuff you drink after the gym!) then I'll tell you why your full of shit!
You don't see the red squiggly line under words that are spelled right unless the word you type is spelled in correct English (not American!), the punctuation is wrong or the built in dictionary doesn't recognise a word due to it's limited vocabulary (the latter I very much doubt). This doesn't deny the fact it proves you are either young or of limited intelligence.
Lack of attention span again. I didn't say everybody has to label everything, I said ALL compounds would have to be made known to the governing body. I'm pretty sure there is no "clause", you don't get non disclosure. As I said I don't know the law regarding fertilisers but I bet bet my lawyer could demand the information based on "the product being used on fruit bearing plants intended for human consumption", and I'd get it!
As for the food industry, by law they 100% have to list all ingredients on the packet in descending order of predominance by weight and have done for years!
I didn't and I've corrected you more than once.
Why is it confusing to see decimals? That's the combined sulfur from Mono-Potassium Phosphate and Potassium Nitrate, Now you can't even read a damn label!
So weak? Since when does a booster need to have massive N-P-K values to be effective? It's supposed to be used alongside the bloom nutes (obviously!) and with that statement you have just confirmed you know fuck all!
30 years my arse!
Cannabisworks
Active Member
how many emails or what i use for log ins isnt any of your concern nor does it have anything to do with this or growing. who cares if i forgot an old email cause i dont use this site much, thats how you judge info?...lol
not bothering to read the rest of the garbage. keep assuming you know what goes on behind the bizz. keep on trusting labels to have full disclosures...bye
not bothering to read the rest of the garbage. keep assuming you know what goes on behind the bizz. keep on trusting labels to have full disclosures...bye
The Yorkshireman
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An average of 10.236842 posts a day for the last 76 days is "not much? [/FONT]
Bye dumb ass!
hugetom80s
Well-Known Member
I do not get all the hate an anger over this stuff. So Advanced Nutrients or whoever does or doesn't do it the way you think they should.
Some guy complains because they make 18 things instead of 6. But it never for a moment occurs to him that someone else might have exactly the opposite complaint about the brand the first guy likes.
Before we jump on the Internet and rabidly tap out our latest "why I'm right and you're dumb" post we need to stop and realize that just because what we believe is right is right for us doesn't mean that something completely different might be right for someone else, and therefore what they very rationally believe is right.
Every single issue can have more than one point of view. Paper or plastic. Stick shift or automatic. Conservative or liberal. We all have opinions and guess what, we're all equally right and equally wrong. It makes absolutely no sense to criticize and attack a company for making their product differently than the competition (and even less sense to attack their customers for buying it). Should we require every company to make every product exactly the same as every other company that makes a similar product and enforce pricing guidelines so they're all absolutely equal? What would be the point in even having different companies at that point?
One guy furrows up his brow, steps onto his soapbox, and laments the fact that Company A makes 18 products to do the job that Company B makes 8 products to do. "Why must they do that if not for greed!" he rails.
But he doesn't for a second put himself in anyone but his own shoes. He doesn't consider for a moment that someone else might have a different opinion than him because he is so self-assured in his own correctness that there could be no want or need different than his own. He completely ignores and discounts the man who laments having all the components mashed up into one bottle where he can't separate them and tweak them to his liking. The first man doesn't see the need for that kind of specialized control. He views it unnecessarily complicated and looks for excuses like profiteering to explain it. And because he does not share the viewpoint of the second man he decides for himself that the different opinion is wrong, naive, or otherwise worthy of ridicule.
While the simple fact is that no opinion is automatically more right or more wrong than any other.
Some people like to go full-on mad-scientist and mix their own nutrients from the component fertilizer salts. To them I say more power to ya.
Some people like to feel like a mad-scientist but don't want to do all the work so they want the heavy lifting done for them and a wide array of ready-made products they can combine in many different ways to the desired effect. To them I say more power to ya.
And some people don't want to feel like they're a mad-scientist and they want the entire process simplified as much as possible. To them I say more power to ya.
The fact that different companies make different products differently is a GOOD THING. It means it's just that more likely that if you don't like it done a certain way you'll probably be able to find someone who does it the way you like it.
From my perspective a lot of people in the world look really, really stupid. I'm not always successful but I do try to stop myself from saying that out loud because I realize that I probably look just as stupid to them because we each have conflicting views on the same topic. And the awesome thing is that we're allowed to.
In fact, the only people I don't have a problem calling stupid are the ones that categorically refuse to allow any dissenting opinion to go un-ridiculed.
Some guy complains because they make 18 things instead of 6. But it never for a moment occurs to him that someone else might have exactly the opposite complaint about the brand the first guy likes.
Before we jump on the Internet and rabidly tap out our latest "why I'm right and you're dumb" post we need to stop and realize that just because what we believe is right is right for us doesn't mean that something completely different might be right for someone else, and therefore what they very rationally believe is right.
Every single issue can have more than one point of view. Paper or plastic. Stick shift or automatic. Conservative or liberal. We all have opinions and guess what, we're all equally right and equally wrong. It makes absolutely no sense to criticize and attack a company for making their product differently than the competition (and even less sense to attack their customers for buying it). Should we require every company to make every product exactly the same as every other company that makes a similar product and enforce pricing guidelines so they're all absolutely equal? What would be the point in even having different companies at that point?
One guy furrows up his brow, steps onto his soapbox, and laments the fact that Company A makes 18 products to do the job that Company B makes 8 products to do. "Why must they do that if not for greed!" he rails.
But he doesn't for a second put himself in anyone but his own shoes. He doesn't consider for a moment that someone else might have a different opinion than him because he is so self-assured in his own correctness that there could be no want or need different than his own. He completely ignores and discounts the man who laments having all the components mashed up into one bottle where he can't separate them and tweak them to his liking. The first man doesn't see the need for that kind of specialized control. He views it unnecessarily complicated and looks for excuses like profiteering to explain it. And because he does not share the viewpoint of the second man he decides for himself that the different opinion is wrong, naive, or otherwise worthy of ridicule.
While the simple fact is that no opinion is automatically more right or more wrong than any other.
Some people like to go full-on mad-scientist and mix their own nutrients from the component fertilizer salts. To them I say more power to ya.
Some people like to feel like a mad-scientist but don't want to do all the work so they want the heavy lifting done for them and a wide array of ready-made products they can combine in many different ways to the desired effect. To them I say more power to ya.
And some people don't want to feel like they're a mad-scientist and they want the entire process simplified as much as possible. To them I say more power to ya.
The fact that different companies make different products differently is a GOOD THING. It means it's just that more likely that if you don't like it done a certain way you'll probably be able to find someone who does it the way you like it.
From my perspective a lot of people in the world look really, really stupid. I'm not always successful but I do try to stop myself from saying that out loud because I realize that I probably look just as stupid to them because we each have conflicting views on the same topic. And the awesome thing is that we're allowed to.
In fact, the only people I don't have a problem calling stupid are the ones that categorically refuse to allow any dissenting opinion to go un-ridiculed.
homebrewer
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Gotta love the posts of the AN shills. Never any pics, no journals, and no horticultural advice outside of plugging your own over-priced products.
Cannabisworks
Active Member
hes right ..were wrong. its not right to inform the public of the lies. theirs good food and not good food.; its not opinions. its science....urea..cheepest form and worst form of nitro there is. you guys...i mean he uses it and charges as if its some super rocket fuel that is top grade. its shit plain n simple, just cause something has the most nitro in it as a food dont make it good food. miricle grow uses urea and is 7 bucks for a years worth of food. why is your so much more when its the same crap, minus the dies.
this isnt about you making it different. its about the lies that have been proven now for a while. stop conning people the crap is better and charging for better when its not.
wonder why the whole industry is removing the crap from shelves and agri is ordering stop sales?...cause were wrong?...makes no sence....why are you being ordered to stop sales thren and why do i know of so many shops refusing to even have that crap on its shelves now?. seems theres quite a few that are sick or the shit
this isnt about you making it different. its about the lies that have been proven now for a while. stop conning people the crap is better and charging for better when its not.
wonder why the whole industry is removing the crap from shelves and agri is ordering stop sales?...cause were wrong?...makes no sence....why are you being ordered to stop sales thren and why do i know of so many shops refusing to even have that crap on its shelves now?. seems theres quite a few that are sick or the shit
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO
New Member
I'm going to tell you the answer to this question, It has nothing to do with the quality or price or lying on labels and ads.
it's about extortion,
AN Has some new policies and there pissing off the industry, the first one is they now make you buy there Fans,ballasts,bulbs,scissors and such if you want to buy there nutes. They flat out deny your nute order unless you buy some other crap with it,whether you need it or not.
the newest joke, they stopped putting out rosebud magazine, NOW, there bringing it back, BUT, they want us stores to buy it from them and either sell it,or give it away and we take the hit. I refuse to pay for a rag that is 99% AN ads with a article thrown in.
It already pisses me off that I pay for satellite T.V. and they play commercials. I'm paying for them to advertise to me, pretty fuckin stupid.
Cannabisworks
Active Member
ya i can see them be like that. scrambling to keep sales now that so many arent allowed to sell it. agriculture has no say in buying the rest from them. theres alot to it for why stop sales have been ordered in some states. and others just plain wont do business with a crooked lier.
i guess they are in need of money to help deffend their friend mr bacon whos on trial right now for that mass murder and coke importing.
to bad thier ballast is a quantum. believe it still has quantum name underneath it to....hope they get paid for the deal the liscening deal they made with budy from quantum, seem to have screwed a few others out of that.
we used rosebud to line our hamster cage with. worked great as a litter box
i guess they are in need of money to help deffend their friend mr bacon whos on trial right now for that mass murder and coke importing.
to bad thier ballast is a quantum. believe it still has quantum name underneath it to....hope they get paid for the deal the liscening deal they made with budy from quantum, seem to have screwed a few others out of that.
we used rosebud to line our hamster cage with. worked great as a litter box
Cannabisworks
Active Member
heres the straight up lie on the ballast to, its not just nutes....they are not the first, these arent made by advanced either. lie after lie. even if not made by quantums, they arent the first to use 60 hertz ballast. one of the last in fact. and if its the 60 hertz then why con the new guys they need that digi bulb. its 60 hertz ballast so no need for the diff bulb....another con
Well, thanks to Advanced Nutrients, you no longer have to compromise! They've developed the first Low Frequency Dimmable Digital Ballast on the market today that's designed to eliminate these problems and give you the performance AND reliability you're looking for.
While you probably already know Advanced Nutrients as a high-quality hydroponics nutrients company, you might not realize the incredible attention to detail, research, and planning that went into developing all the grower gear that carries the Advanced Nutrients (AN) name.
Recently we caught up with Eli Weinkle and the rest of the development team at AN to discover exactly how these new low frequency digital ballasts and other growers gear are being produced.
Unlike other hydroponics equipment manufacturers, Advanced Nutrients refused to simply buy existing ballasts from China... slap their logo on them... and call it a "new" product because:....lier.all ballast are made in china..including quantum
Well, thanks to Advanced Nutrients, you no longer have to compromise! They've developed the first Low Frequency Dimmable Digital Ballast on the market today that's designed to eliminate these problems and give you the performance AND reliability you're looking for.
While you probably already know Advanced Nutrients as a high-quality hydroponics nutrients company, you might not realize the incredible attention to detail, research, and planning that went into developing all the grower gear that carries the Advanced Nutrients (AN) name.
Recently we caught up with Eli Weinkle and the rest of the development team at AN to discover exactly how these new low frequency digital ballasts and other growers gear are being produced.
Unlike other hydroponics equipment manufacturers, Advanced Nutrients refused to simply buy existing ballasts from China... slap their logo on them... and call it a "new" product because:....lier.all ballast are made in china..including quantum
Wow, that's... sad. You really don't understand what AN has done?
They are the first to create a low-frequency DIGITAL ballast (with a truly digital output) that is remotely useful for growing. Are there other low-frequency digital ballasts? Yes. They output a saw-tooth wave and are used for interior lighting - they don't put out REMOTELY enough wattage to grow. Most of them are under 100w. NONE of them provide an actual digital output.
Here's the way it is. You've got the old magnetic ballasts. They take an analog input (sine wave AC) and create an analog output at the same frequency (60hz in North America).
You have the typical digital ballasts that use digital circuitry to take an analog input (the same sine wave AC) and convert it into an analog output (saw tooth wave) at very high frequency that varies depending on model. This is what causes the harmonics issue with bulbs designed for magnetic ballasts and burns them out faster. That's also where the RF interference comes from.
Then you have the Baddass Ballast developed by AN. It takes in the same analog input but instead of just using the easy digital conversion to a sawtooth wave, they go the extra mile and clean that up to a square tooth and they keep the frequency down to a low frequency. So you don't have the problems of a digital ballast (RF interference, bulb wear), you have the benefits of one (weight, etc) and you don't have the drawback of an analog output signal - the fact that an analog signal spends MOST of it's time at less than peak output.
A digital signal jumps from one peak to the next with virtually no delay. It doesn't go from peak negative along a nice lazy curve to the peak positive. It jumps to it and then stays at peak positive voltage until time to snap back down to peak negative, where it stays until it jumps back up, and so on. So you're not wasting time in the middle driving your bulbs with less than maximum wattage.
Think of it like a race where you start from a dead stop, drive for a certain distance at no more than 60mph, and then have to stop exactly at the finish line. The car with the best acceleration and braking wins because it can spend more time at top speed. A "digital" car hits 60mph as soon as the light turns green, and stops instantly at the finish line.
In terms of lighting that means your bulbs are getting full power all the time. Bulbs getting an analog signal are actually getting a much lower average power supply, and just not burning as bright as they can.
As far as AN's bulbs go I don't know enough about them to say for sure if/how they're better, but mine definitely look brighter than the ones they replaced.
This is more misunderstanding.
How it works is a company decides they want to sell ballasts. So they call around to a bunch of manufacturers in China, ask them what they make, get some examples maybe, and maybe they just say "hey, we want a ballast with these specs in a case that looks like this with this logo on it". Then that Chinese manufacturer makes it for them.
Advanced Nutrients didn't do that. They designed and built the ballast in the US. They put it through testing and so on, and then they went to the Chinese manufacture to have it mass produced because that's the only way to do it. If you build them here it costs too much and no one will buy them. (Sad fact, American made just isn't enough to get Americans to pay what it costs to get the label. In fact, a lot of "American Made" products are made elsewhere and shipped here for final assembly.) I actually talked with the guy who designed the Baddass at their booth awhile back. They had to send back the first prototype the Chinese built because it wasn't good enough. They've gotten used to the lax quality expectations of other companies and didn't understand that Advanced Nutrients really did want them to make it to the highest quality they could.
So yes, the Baddass is built in China. But it was DESIGNED and tested here. The Chinese were just handed the blueprints. Everyone else buys off-the-shelf Chinese units (designed and built in China) and slaps their sticker on them.
Cannabisworks
Active Member
bullshit. says quantum right on them. i owned mine years before baddass came out, maybe they took so long cause they had to copy the original
and yes dood i know how the sales stuff is done....been there. is how i know this is more bullshit/ would you like the chinamans number to call n ask?...lol..could have badass, the sequel
so who ya got over there in china to watch the frauds keep to the specs. thought so. trust hey....lol
lol...still talking about RF interference...dood that was solved years ago...keep up
thanx mr salseman rep. right out of the salesman 101 book
and yes dood i know how the sales stuff is done....been there. is how i know this is more bullshit/ would you like the chinamans number to call n ask?...lol..could have badass, the sequel
so who ya got over there in china to watch the frauds keep to the specs. thought so. trust hey....lol
lol...still talking about RF interference...dood that was solved years ago...keep up
thanx mr salseman rep. right out of the salesman 101 book
Ok I got pics soon , I used AN organic lineup and had ha by far the best results EVER. My buddy tried the ph perfect program and got the best crop he ever had ( size and quality, never seen purple kush burn tha clean, pure white ash) So he talked me into the organic line for one crop. I was an AN hater, I opted for pureblend pro and a few other additives. I had to try organic because our patients have become accustomed to cleaner organic medicine. So now I am 5 weeks in and holy shit!! I will post pics and I am starting a new thread when the crop is done. I do not want to offend anyone ,just want to show my results.I believe we have wasted 10 years with pureblend pro. I can't wait till crop is done I want to compare to other grows with other nutes.I spent 4000$ on AN's lineup: Iguana juice , f1, h2 ,Bud candy , piranha, tarantula, Voodoojuice, organic b aNd my fave sensizym.
decrimCA
Active Member
Rad to hear about the organic AN lineup. I haven't been doing the organic thing in a while, as I am about to try out the pH Perfect® technology lineup. Too bad they can't do that with the organics, but it's just too tricky.
good luck!
This makes very little sense.
And the Baddass doesn't copy the Quantum. They may look a little similar on the outside (most ballasts do) but on the inside they couldn't be more different.
If you bother to do any reading at all about the stuff you're yammering about, you'd know that Advanced Nutrients does their testing state-side. So the Chinese manufacturers are held to standard because they have no control over which units AN will test, and thus have to make sure that they're all at the quality AN demands.
Don't forget that the answer "RF shielding in the ballast" is wrong, since a great deal of the interference comes from the vibrations of the elements within the bulb itself, which cannot be shielded without also blocking the light.
The only way to truly eliminate RF interference is - take notes here - not to produce RF interference at all. Which is done by not operating at radio frequencies to begin with.
What does? A quantum? I should hope they have their own name on it. What are you even trying to prove?
Yes, you were not the only person to own a Quantum ballast before the Baddass existed. But they're two completely different ballasts so there's absolutely nothing remarkable about that amazing feat.
And the Baddass doesn't copy the Quantum. They may look a little similar on the outside (most ballasts do) but on the inside they couldn't be more different.
Racial slurs? Really?
That would be called "product testing". It's this radical new idea that was invented oh, about a hundred years ago shortly after the concept of assembly line mass production, where you select a few units at random as they're coming off the line and you test them to see if they're how they're supposed to be.
If you bother to do any reading at all about the stuff you're yammering about, you'd know that Advanced Nutrients does their testing state-side. So the Chinese manufacturers are held to standard because they have no control over which units AN will test, and thus have to make sure that they're all at the quality AN demands.
Really? And what would that solution be?
Don't forget that the answer "RF shielding in the ballast" is wrong, since a great deal of the interference comes from the vibrations of the elements within the bulb itself, which cannot be shielded without also blocking the light.
The only way to truly eliminate RF interference is - take notes here - not to produce RF interference at all. Which is done by not operating at radio frequencies to begin with.
Cannabisworks
Active Member
nah..if your that dumb to not know how to use google still then theres no help for some that still fall for that co bullshit. they did their own damage with so many lies no need to keep on it. i find it hillarious that the info is all over the net but yet new guys still deny that and buy their shit.
not to mention its almost a year old
not to mention its almost a year old
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
Here's a quote from a former hydro store owner about the rebranding of ballasts. The 'budget' ballasts in his journal looked a lot like my Quantum so I asked him about all the lookalikes: