I think flushing is a myth heres why

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
The first root that comes from a plant is called the radicle. The four major functions of roots are 1) absorption of water and inorganic nutrients, 2) anchoring of the plant body to the ground, and supporting it, 3) storage of food and nutrients, 4) vegetative reproduction. In response to the concentration of nutrients, roots also synthesise cytokinin, which acts as a signal as to how fast the shoots can grow. Roots often function in storage of food and nutrients. The roots of most vascular plant species enter into symbiosis with certain fungi to form mycorrhizas, and a large range of other organisms including bacteria also closely associate with roots.
 

passthat2me

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first of all, nutrients are not stored in buds, but rather roots, so what exactly are you flushing out of buds by dumping water through a medium such as soil?? this is the part i don't understand.. nutes are not stored in buds..
where do you people get your info...a plant feed through the roots...nutes are stored in fan leaves...thats their purpose...thats why they turn yellow at the end of flowering..the plant SHOULDVE pulled what nutes were stored...as you stop nuting and begin flush stages...
 

Relaxed

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was thinking about this thread. I have never seen tomatoes flushed so I am thinking why? One is smoked and the other eaten.
 

aknight3

Moderator
so running tons of water the last few days or even weeks before will help remove the nutrients that took MONTHES to get into those leaves?...see the logic here man?
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
where do you people get your info...a plant feed through the roots...nutes are stored in fan leaves...thats their purpose...thats why they turn yellow at the end of flowering..the plant SHOULDVE pulled what nutes were stored...as you stop nuting and begin flush stages...
omg, where do i get my info?? how about a basic botany book perhaps?? hmm, maybe..
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
was thinking about this thread. I have never seen tomatoes flushed so I am thinking why? One is smoked and the other eaten.
i would think that by eating something vs smoking it you'd surely taste more chemicals, but what do i know?
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
where do you people get your info...a plant feed through the roots...nutes are stored in fan leaves...thats their purpose...thats why they turn yellow at the end of flowering..the plant SHOULDVE pulled what nutes were stored...as you stop nuting and begin flush stages...
do you smoke the leaves or the buds of your plants?? not saying that leaves hold nutes as that's the roots job, but even if they did, you still don't smoke the leaves, so where is this chemical taste coming from?
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
and you do realize it's the cholorphyl in the leaves that make leaves turn green and not any nutrients right??
 

passthat2me

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first of all, nutrients are not stored in buds, but rather roots, so what exactly are you flushing out of buds by dumping water through a medium such as soil?? this is the part i don't understand.. nutes are not stored in buds..
nutes are stored in fan leaves...thats why they turn yellow at harvest...the soil should be free of nutes(flushing)so the plant can pull from the nutes stored in those leaves..turning them yellow in the process...a sure way of knowing if you did a proper flush..if the soil still contains nutes for the roots to pull from...the plant will never use whats stored in the leaves..which is a marijuana plants natural process...
 

aknight3

Moderator
i would think that by eating something vs smoking it you'd surely taste more chemicals, but what do i know?



dude im to the point on this topic im so fuckin tired of trying to correct people, as soon as i tell someone they arent right they get all butthurt real quick and then pissy, and usually post some half assed plants to try to prove their point...its.....same damn thing everytime, its like almost all of these people have never even opened a botany book but still tell me....''im a top level yahoo, check out my small, half burnt plants as proof...FOOL''.... gg keep wasting your time i dont really care but dont tell others to follow you off the bridge.
 
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chuck estevez

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nutes are stored in fan leaves...thats why they turn yellow at harvest...the soil should be free of nutes(flushing)so the plant can pull from the nutes stored in those leaves..turning them yellow in the process...a sure way of knowing if you did a proper flush..if the soil still contains nutes for the roots to pull from...the plant will never use whats stored in the leaves..which is a marijuana plants natural process...
my leaves don't turn yellow at harvest. I don't pump them full of p and k and keep them happy with n, you really are not proving any knowledge here.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
error.. google is your friend m8... i just googled what is the job of a leaf, and not one thing was mentioned about them storing nutrients, but when i googled what is the job of roots, want to take a stab at what it said??

here's the google results of what is the job of a leaf..

One main function of leaves are that they are where photosynthesis occurs, specifically in the mesophyll between the upper and lower epidermis layers. The mesophyll contains chloroplasts, which contain chlorophyll and are responsible for photosynthesis. They capture light energy from the sun, and through the process of photosynthesis then convert it into sugar molecules. Much of the energy required by living organisms relies on photosynthesis so this is a very important function. Leaves in fact are even able to twist in order to maximize sun exposure, and leaf surfaces have a wide, flattened shape thus increasing the surface area for effective light absorption.

Another main function of leaves are that they help the plant to conserve water and prevent the plant from drying up and dying. Plants have the ability to close the pores in their leaves. These pores, called stomata, react to chemical changes (like changes in weather or light), and are controlled by the surrounding guard cells. Environmental conditions that would cause plants to lose a lot of water (low humidity, high temperatures) stimulate guard cells to close, thus preventing water from escaping through the stomata.
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
dude im to the point on this topic im so fuckin tired of trying to correct people, as soon as i tell someone they arent right they get all butthurt real quick and then pissy, and usually post some half assed plants to try to prove their point...its.....same damn thing everytime, its like almost all of these people have never even opened a botany book but still tell me....''im a top level yahoo, check out my small, half burnt plants as proof...FOOL''.... gg keep wasting your time i dont really care but dont tell others to follow you off the bridge.



ps. what if i told you, i use a FULL nutrient lineup until the very very end of harvest INCLUDING nitrogen and my plants still yellow at the end...ya know why....CAUSE ITS THE EEENNNNDDD
and again, your saying it's so doesn't make it a fact.. how about getting some links to back up your claims that nutrients are stored in leaves and not in the roots as i claim and have actual factual links to back up my claims??
i know why you don't, because that's not the purpose of a leaf, and you can't find anything to say otherwise..
 

passthat2me

Well-Known Member
look at all the pics on the net or where ever of the big pretty harvest pics that makes us go ohhhhhhh....notice the color of the majority of the fan leaves...i bet they're yellow...that plant was allowed to fully mature the way it was ment too...and if you believe altering that is benificial....then go right ahead...
 

OGEvilgenius

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IMO flushing is necessary and for a variety of reason. First off. When I flush for a week at the end of the cycle I see my buds swell up up more in that period then any other stage. What happened is the built up salts will be washed away during the flush, or they will be absorbed into the plant. With some nutrrients a longer flush is necessary to help clear up any unwanted salts in the plant. If your able to keep your plants healthy threw the whole harvest, then a 2 week flub should start to turn those leaves yellow an make an obvious sign it's ready for harvest without stressing them to pop out seeds..

And by the way. A flush for a week isn't gonna cause a bunch of seeds to poop out, it was something else most likely a week prior or maybe earlier. Seeds take time to develope. Don't just pop out over night. Lol
If you have salt build up, you're feeding too much. I think a lot of people end up feeding too much. Lord knows I'm guilty of it at times. But I also agree that flushing makes no difference at all. Proper feeding makes a huge difference though.
 

OGEvilgenius

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i have the simplest way of proving flushing does nada for the taste of buds.. here goes..
if it made one bit of difference in the taste of buds, everyone would simply flush as unflushed buds would taste like dog shit, chemically doo doo, w/e it is the flushers say it does..
the simple fact is that this is not true, there fore the debate continues.. there is nothing that dumping tons of water through the dirt of a plant is going to do for the taste of said plant.. i'll never understand how people think that by dumping tons of water through a medium will every have one effect on the taste of buds..
do a proper dry and cure, it's all that's needed for the finest tasting cannabis you'll ever have... leave the flushing for deuces.. :D
It's all about feeding properly and a proper cure. I might actually argue that the end of the cycle is when resin and terpene production are probably at their highest and if you flush you risk losing some of that. Not to mention the weight you will lose.
 

aknight3

Moderator
and again, your saying it's so doesn't make it a fact.. how about getting some links to back up your claims that nutrients are stored in leaves and not in the roots as i claim and have actual factual links to back up my claims??
i know why you don't, because that's not the purpose of a leaf, and you can't find anything to say otherwise..

i think we are on the same team :D
 

passthat2me

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[h=1]Growing Consensus Synopsis Paper: Should Fan Leaves be Trimmed?[/h]
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Growing Consensus Synopsis Paper
Should Fan Leaves be Trimmed?
There are a number of theories why fan leaves should or should not be removed. The purpose of this paper is to analyze cannabis cultivation techniques that advocate for and against fan leaf removal. A summary of each theory is presented, followed by a review of fan leaf function. The different theories advocating for and against the removal of fan leaves are then discussed in the context of fan leaf function and cultivation techniques.


THEORIES WHY TO TRIM FAN LEAVES
Increase Lower Bud Development
The fan leaves shade lower buds and that these buds do not develop to there full potential because of a reduction in lighting intensity due to shading from upper fan leaves.

To conserve energy for upper bud development
Trimming fan leaves and lower, shaded branches focuses the plant’s development on main top buds (Che Bleu, 03.13.2002). A plant wastes precious energy several ways. A tall plant needs to use energy to build extra stem, and then use extra energy to move water up higher, this is why I believe "scrog" methods are productive. An untrimmed bushy plant causes the plant to expend energy to build elaborate branches and leaves, and then has to use excess energy to supply all these structures. Careful trimming to remove unnecessary branches (which wont produce nice buds) and unproductive suckers will leave more energy for a larger yield. Suckers do exactly as their name suggests, they suck needless energy from the plant which can be put to better use, towards yield (Leaf, 03.13.2002).

Reduce the Stretch
If fan leaves are trimmed during the early flowering stage, the stretch is reduced (Che Bleu, 03.13.2002). Reducing the stretch might be advantageous in certain cultivation conditions.

Speeding Up The Flushing Process
Remove some of the fan leaves 14 days before harvest. It helps speed up the flushing process and or makes flushing unnecessary (Homemadepot, 03.13.2002).

Reduce The Chance of Mould
Removal of dead fan leaves is necessary to reduce the risk of mould. Failing to "clear the airway" can lead to development of mould in the "crowded" areas of the plant (Jeast, 03.13.2002).

Scrog growers may also reduce the chance of mould by removing fan leaves due to reduce the level of transpiration. This is because many scrog grows are in a confined space where humidity is a serious problem (DoctorDangerous, 09.04.2002). However with better ventilation it may be necessary to avoid the mould problem (Nietzsche, 09.04.2002).

Increase root development on Clones
Fan leaves on clones should have their blades cut in half, to make the clone grow slowly while a root system develops (Weezil, 03.12.2002).

HOW DO FAN LEAVES FUNCTION
The large fan leaves have a definite function in the growth and development of cannabis. Large leaves serve as photosynthetic factories for the production of sugars and other necessary growth substances. Most cannabis plants begin to lose their larger leaves when they enter the flowering stage and this trend continues on until senescence (death of the plant).

Fan leaves account for the greatest area for the reception of photons on a plant, thus they account for the majority of photosynthesis which occurs within a plant. Cells in the plant's leaves, called chloroplasts, contain a green pigment called chlorophyll which interacts with sunlight to split the water in the plant into its basic components. Leaves only absorb about 15% of the solar energy that hits them, the other 85% passes through-- but they reflect all the green light, which means it looks darker below the leaf to a human than it does to the plant because our eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum (Shipperke, 03.15.2002).

Photosynthesis occurs in all green parts of plants. The process has two stages, the light reactions and the Calvin cycle, that convert water and carbon dioxide into sugar and oxygen. These sugars are later used to power all the processes in the plant, including the synthesis of THC and other cannabinoids (Shipperke, 04.02.2002; Ca, 03.13.2002). Fan leaves possess the greatest number of stomata, which are small pores or valves on the underside of the leaf which water vapor and carbon dioxide diffuse during transpiration and photosynthesis (carbon fixation). Carbon dioxide first enters the leaf through the stomata and combines with the stored energy in the chloroplasts through a chemical reaction (the Calvin cycle) to produce a simple sugar. This sugar is unloaded into the tissues and transported through tubes in the leaf to supply the synthesized food to other plant parts such as growing or respiring tissues like young leaves, roots, and flowers of the plant. meristems (UK Tricky Knome, 03.14.2002).

Removal of fan leaves will not only slow growth, but it will also hinder the plants ability to rid itself of toxic gases, and also hinder the regulation of the plants temperature via stomata. Changes in the plants chemical metabolism caused by fan leave removal causes the plant to work overtime to rid ‘toxins’ with less leaves, as a result the pant may allocate more growth hormones into growing more leaves to make up for what has been lost(Equator, 03.15.2002). Removing large amounts of fan leaves may also interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. Leaf removal may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic imbalance.

There is a relationship regarding the amount of carbohydrates a leaf produces and CO2 intake relative to outside forces. When you have a situation whereby the leaf is no longer productive for the plant for whatever reason that may be - low light, old age, disease, insect attack etc, the plant will discard it. (Thunderbunny as citied, by Nietzsche, 03.13.2002.

Plants have two different kinds of vessels in their stems to move stuff around, xylem and phloem. Xylem runs from the roots up the stem carrying water and nutrients. Phloem runs both up and down to move sugars hormones, proteins, etc but mostly sugars. Each part of the plant can be either a sugar source or a sugar sink (Shipperke, 03.15.2002). Phloem moves from sources (areas of supply) to sinks (areas of metabolism or storage). Granted that the flowers can produce some photosynthate, but they are no where near as effective as fan leaves (resin glands significantly reduce light to the tissue they are found on). Flowers are sink tissues, leaves are source tissues. Sinks do not produce enough photosynthate, and are importers. Sources give photosynthate to sinks in closest proximity. Upper leaves bring sucrose to shoot apical meristem and young leaves while lower leaves bring goodies to roots (UK Tricky Knome, 03.17.2002). Remove the source and the sink will be affected (Diels Alder, 03.15.2002).

The leaves at the top of a plant tend to supply the top growing shoots. The leaves at the bottom of the plant tend to supply the roots. The middle leaves can go either way as the demand changes. During flowering and fruiting, only the very bottom leaves supply the roots and the rest of the leaves try to get as much energy as possible to the flowers of fruits. For this reason, the more leaves are unshaded and in good light, the more chance the plant has of creating extra storage of energy that will ultimately go into yield (Leaf, 03.13.2002). However Jeast (03.13.02) believes that the rich green leaves emerging from the bud are a sufficient energy source of solar energy for the plant's floral development. Therefore the old fan leaves are once again rendered useless and only drain energy from the developing part of the plant (Jeast, 03.13.02).

Fan leaves store mobile nutrients, these stored nutrients are essential in the later stages of flowering. When flushing a plant the fan leaves will lose their color quickly. This is because the nutrients are being mobilized to the atypical meristem (grow tip, bud site). Draining your fan leaves with a flushing period will increase floral development (Ca, 13.03.2002). Fan leaves therefore serve as a nutrient deficiency buffer zone for the plant (Higstar, 03.13.2002).
Nutrient burn usually causes bottom leaves begin to die however DaGnome (03.15.2002) observed that if you do not remove the leaves then they will absorb damage as premature removal generally results in more leaf loss. However if growing hydroponically under ideal conditions it could be argued that fan leaves serve as a nutrient buffer is a moot point.

 

chuck estevez

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look at all the pics on the net or where ever of the big pretty harvest pics that makes us go ohhhhhhh....notice the color of the majority of the fan leaves...i bet they're yellow...that plant was allowed to fully mature the way it was ment too...and if you believe altering that is benificial....then go right ahead...
most of those are people that fell for the snake oil b.s and pumped there shit full of p and k because that is all the bloom boosters are. When I see a good grow it is still green at the end because the plant is happy and healthy.
 
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