Lung collapse
- Thread starter charface
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Dan Kone
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I think it's ridiculous that the concentrate maker is being blamed for kids who take ridiculous sized dabs all day long.
The fact is that no one is going to get a collapsed lung if know their limits. Blaming the concentrate maker for people who take .5 gram globs all day long would be like if a fat person blaming baskin robins for making the ice cream.
The fact is that no one is going to get a collapsed lung if know their limits. Blaming the concentrate maker for people who take .5 gram globs all day long would be like if a fat person blaming baskin robins for making the ice cream.
charface
Well-Known Member
From what I understand there is a way to minimize the likelihood of this happening at the expense of flavor and yield. I have no idea what is true at the moment so I would be glad to hear why you do not think it is a real issue. If I can make safer smoke for myself I`m all for it.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
You can dewax extracts making them into amber glass making it marginally healthier. But this kid collapsed his lung on amber glass. The problem here is that he was taking too big a glob.
To me this is about personal responsibility. You can't blame the concentrate maker for you taking too big a glob. The alcohol equivalent is if a frat boy chugs an entire bottle of jack daniels and gets alcohol poisoning, that is not jack daniels fault this kid drank too much.
If you take too big a hit of concentrates, you're going to cough. This kid was dabbing a dewaxed concentrate. The problem wasn't a concentrate, it was the kid taking too big a hit.
I've been dabbing wax for years now and have never had any problem with it. I barely even cough. Why? Because I don't take anything bigger than a 0.1 gram dab. Usually it's about half that size. I rarely even cough from that. There is no risk of me collapsing a lung doing that.
I hate the mentality that we are all obligated to protect people from themselves and when someone does something dumb, it's the fault of who ever made the thing that was misused.
edit - sorry, didn't intend to sound like I was lashing out on you. Not your fault. I just find this frustrating. If people can't dab responsibly they shouldn't blame the product, they can go eat an edible if they are really worried about the health effects. Vaporizing massive amounts of oil into your lungs is not going to be super healthy no matter how clean the product is.
charface
Well-Known Member
I understand your point and appreciate the info.
Wondered why I only started hearing about this recently if it was such a problem.
Now that bulk weed is all over more people are having access to concentrates
and they will have to learn the hard way to moderate. I`m overly paranoid so this kind of shit worries me. Thanks again for the info
Wondered why I only started hearing about this recently if it was such a problem.
Now that bulk weed is all over more people are having access to concentrates
and they will have to learn the hard way to moderate. I`m overly paranoid so this kind of shit worries me. Thanks again for the info
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
As far as I'm aware this has only happened twice. I find it very likely that in both cases it was people taking dabs that were waaaaay too big.
Well I'd say if you're just dabbing responsibly you have nothing to worry about.
If you are worried, probably stick to dewaxed amber glass and only dab stuff that has been RST or VOC tested. All the dispensaries I'm friendly with screen all their concentrates for residual solvents before putting them on the shelf.
I actually don't believe that residual solvents in concentrates matter that much, since even the worst purged budder still contains less solvents than you're ingesting than taking a bong hit with a bic lighter and we don't hear about people being harmed from bic lighters. But if you are concerned with it, stick to tested dewaxed concentrates.
oilmkr420
Active Member
The real problem w isopropyl is that it 's a denaturing product. It boils off @ exactly the same temperature as the water. That means that any residue is toxic. The chlorophyll content is so high, the portion of water based constituents is in very high proportion, and it really doesn't get any more ghetto than using this solvent, and I can't even say that iso oil has got me high. Ethanol is way better for lots of reasons. It's higher selectivity means smaller yields, but food grade is way more pleasant than something used as a disinfectant or topical use. Besides a slight ethanolic solution is okay < 15% wt.wt is acceptable and desired as the top notes are really held in this slight solution of < 15%. If that were totally evaporated, your oil won't be as flavorful. That's what needs to be done w isopropyl til the water is gone along w the flavor it never had.