Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[dizzlekush]

sorry you feel this way...I have spent more time GROWING MJ than you have probably been alive...

probably

think of your above statement...If at least 50% of the arctube in a horizontal fixture is visible then it equates to at least 50% direct light emission

um.do you even understand math? that would require for the direct light to be emited at 180 degrees (50% of the 360 degree direct irriadince the bulb emits), requiring that the bulb be essentially 'underneath' a reflector instead of inside a reflector and that the bulb be placed below or level to the top part of the canopy to have that 180 degrees (50%) of direct light. if you dont agree with any of this, you literally don't understand what you yourself are claiming. If the arc tube is above the canopy and inside a reflector its literally impossible to have 50% direct light. understand?

and with all your supposed research you only found less than 40 things to share in 2 years...whatever dude...last words I waste on you...have a great existence

I post on ICM under the same username since its the only active cannabis forum that has a decent amount of very educated horticulturists.

I usually dont tute my own horn, but you brought the subject up. FYI i am the first person to introduce many scientific facts into the cannabis community. I did not make these discoveries, i simply researched subjects that nobody has ever posted about, and then posted about them myself.

I'm the first person to show that foliar applications of methanol and ethanol prevent photorespiration, increases WUE, promotes cytokinin producing PPME bacteria, and promotes pectin methylesterase gene expression.
I'm the first to show that inoculations of arbuscular mycorrhizae increase glandular trichome density and essential oil (terpene) yield irrespective of nutrient acquisition.
I'm the first to show that foliar applications of 6-Benzylaminopurine increase glandular and non glandular trichome density and prevent hermaphroditic characteristics.
I'm the first to ever bring up strigolactones as currently the most effective germinating hormones known.
I'm the first to show that polysorbate 20 acts as a plant growth stimulant when applied to the rhizosphere but not to the foliage.
I'm the first to show that excess calcium delays cellular (and total plant) maturation.
I'm the first to do testing, design, and publicly share an entire PGR regimen that is 100% legally usable for edible crops.
I'm the first to provide a 6-benzylaminopurine stock solution formulation that stays in solution when diluted to working solution levels.
And i'm surely the first to introduce several other facts to the cannabis community, this is just off the top of the noggin.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Here it is. The test was done by Greners.

As I said previously, they're trying to sell the highest priced reflector. They have a dog in this fight, they're nothing more than another cheesey hydro vendor hawking rocket fuels. From their 'About Grener' ditty:

For nutrients Greners.com carries the highest quality lines available on the planet today and including offering the complete line of House and Garden direct from Holland. We also sell all our customer’s favorites, including GH, Cutting Edge, Foxfarm, Humboldt Nutrients, Botanicare, Emerald Garden and the all organic General Organics.

I'm not to buy into their "tests". I only give credibility to non-partisan organizations who have no profit motive.

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

probably

um.do you even understand math? that would require for the direct light to be emited at 180 degrees (50% of the 360 degree direct irriadince the bulb emits), requiring that the bulb be essentially 'underneath' a reflector instead of inside a reflector and that the bulb be placed below or level to the top part of the canopy to have that 180 degrees (50%) of direct light. if you dont agree with any of this, you literally don't understand what you yourself are claiming. If the arc tube is above the canopy and inside a reflector its literally impossible to have 50% direct light. understand?
I post on ICM under the same username since its the only active cannabis forum that has a decent amount of very educated horticulturists.

I usually dont tute my own horn, but you brought the subject up. FYI i am the first person to introduce many scientific facts into the cannabis community. I did not make these discoveries, i simply researched subjects that nobody has ever posted about, and then posted about them myself.

I'm the first person to show that foliar applications of methanol and ethanol prevent photorespiration, increases WUE, promotes cytokinin producing PPME bacteria, and promotes pectin methylesterase gene expression.
I'm the first to show that inoculations of arbuscular mycorrhizae increase glandular trichome density and essential oil (terpene) yield irrespective of nutrient acquisition.
I'm the first to show that foliar applications of 6-Benzylaminopurine increase glandular and non glandular trichome density and prevent hermaphroditic characteristics.
I'm the first to ever bring up strigolactones as currently the most effective germinating hormones known.
I'm the first to show that polysorbate 20 acts as a plant growth stimulant when applied to the rhizosphere but not to the foliage.
I'm the first to show that excess calcium delays cellular (and total plant) maturation.
I'm the first to do testing, design, and publicly share an entire PGR regimen that is 100% legally usable for edible crops.
I'm the first to provide a 6-benzylaminopurine stock solution formulation that stays in solution when diluted to working solution levels.
And i'm surely the first to introduce several other facts to the cannabis community, this is just off the top of the noggin.

Interesting. Would be interested in getting your methods, sources, data, etc. in writing. Link would be fine too. Are you affiliated with a university?

UB

 

[dizzlekush]

Interesting. Would be interested in getting your methods, sources, data, etc. in writing. Link would be fine too. Are you affiliated with a university?

UB

sure thing. It'd take me a while to track down all the ones i didnt make a thread for myself, so ill just post the easily findable ATM and if i can remember where i posted the others i will post them later.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=221235
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=226218
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5305781&postcount=53
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4835357&postcount=25
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=229062

as far as getting my methods im not sure what you mean, my research methods? I tend to provide sources and data with all my claims so just look in the links. Not affiliated with any Uni.

 

[PJ Diaz]

As I said previously, they're trying to sell the highest priced reflector. They have a dog in this fight, they're nothing more than another cheesey hydro vendor hawking rocket fuels. From their 'About Grener' ditty:

For nutrients Greners.com carries the highest quality lines available on the planet today and including offering the complete line of House and Garden direct from Holland. We also sell all our customer’s favorites, including GH, Cutting Edge, Foxfarm, Humboldt Nutrients, Botanicare, Emerald Garden and the all organic General Organics.

I'm not to buy into their "tests". I only give credibility to non-partisan organizations who have no profit motive.

UB

Sure, that's the standard pessimistic approach one could take. You should look to see that they did also include some reflectors they don't even carry.

My guess is that the profit margin on their "cheap" hoods is about the same as their "high end" hoods. I'm not sure what the point of putting that stuff in bold is.

They tested many different manufactures' hoods, they have little reason to skew the results.

It's funny how even when you are proven wrong with scientific tests, you find a reason to disbelieve the results. Personally I never will believe any of your tests, because they are so obviously only done to keep your overly-inflated ego afloat.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I should also point out that in that test done by greners, they also include efficiency/reflector cost as "value".

Their report clearly shows that the most efficient reflector is not the best value. Why would they include that if they just want to sell the most expensive light?

 

[Uncle Ben]

sure thing. It'd take me a while to track down all the ones i didnt make a thread for myself, so ill just post the easily findable ATM and if i can remember where i posted the others i will post them later.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=221235
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=226218
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5305781&postcount=53
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4835357&postcount=25
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=229062

as far as getting my methods im not sure what you mean, my research methods? I tend to provide sources and data with all my claims so just look in the links. Not affiliated with any Uni.

IC Rag is not exactly what I had in mind. Do you have any scientific journal publications under your belt? I assume you're a little young IC Ragish for that?

Used to post there. IC Rag is no different than any of the other 100 or so cannabis related sites.

 

[dizzlekush]

IC Rag is not exactly what I had in mind. Do you have any scientific journal publications under your belt? I assume you're a little young IC Ragish for that?

Used to post there. IC Rag is no different than any of the other 100 or so cannabis related sites.

scoffing again instead of addressing the subject at hand. i've grown tired of your quibbling. if the format i share information on is beneath the great UB then i guess our conversation is at its close.

 

[PJ Diaz]

For someone who has a pic of himself behind a pot plant giving double peace signs as his avatar, Uncle Ben sure is full of a lot of hate.

 

[Kite High]

get over yourself einstein...you are only impressing yourself but coming off as holier than thou to everyone else...have a great existence in your bubble

 

[stumpjumper]

Almost chop day.. Green leaves...

 

[colonuggs]

ya stump nice shit right there ^^^^^^ hows about some casey jones....I love the strans that have a small amount of fan leaves...easy trimin

 

[stumpjumper]

ya stump nice shit right there ^^^^^^ hows about some casey jones....I love the strans that have a small amount of fan leaves...easy trimin

Very nice!

Mine just dont want to quit, damn things just keep popping new pistils.. 90% cloudy though, I can chop any day. Just trying to let them pack on a little last bit of weight.

 

[Uncle Ben]

scoffing again instead of addressing the subject at hand. i've grown tired of your quibbling. if the format i share information on is beneath the great UB then i guess our conversation is at its close.

Call me what you want but those who have been following my posts for years know me as a pragmatist who disdains the rampant posing, fraud and misrepresentation in the cannabis business. NO other industry has so much.

In case you missed it I do not place any credibility on forum anecdotal evidence or hearsay. My education is on a university level with years of commercial horticultural and ag business which includes a Texas state Master Gardener's license and Pesticide Applicator's license.

I think what you're doing is great, very notable, and like my experiments one being here - https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html was done on the basis of curiousity. If you have a couple of applications that are notable, that are predictable, that are practical such that they can be embraced by the everyday grower (including noobs) regarding increasing plant health or yields, please note. To be honest with you, not sure what "the results" are and why nobody is climbing on board your train. For example, my topping to get 4 main colas is going on 700,000 views with 4,500 posts. This training method is practical, costs nothing, and takes seconds. Your threads are doing 25 - 53 posts.

One of the most recent experiments I played with was using Paclo treatments on pure sativa - TFD's O. Haze. It worked. Such a phenotype that would normally finish out at 12' finished at 6-7'.

Regarding indoors gardening, I was researching and using different hoods while most (if not all) of you was still messin' in your diapers.

Uncle Ben

 

[Sir.Ganga]

Call me what you want but those who have been following my posts for years know me as a pragmatist who disdains the rampant posing, fraud and misrepresentation in the cannabis business. NO other industry has so much.

In case you missed it I do not place any credibility on forum anecdotal evidence or hearsay. My education is on a university level with years of commercial horticultural and ag business which includes a Texas state Master Gardener's license and Pesticide Applicator's license.

I think what you're doing is great, very notable, and like my experiments one being here - https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html was done on the basis of curiousity. If you have a couple of applications that are notable, that are predictable, that are practical such that they can be embraced by the everyday grower (including noobs) regarding increasing plant health or yields, please note. To be honest with you, not sure what "the results" are and why nobody is climbing on board your train. For example, my topping to get 4 main colas is going on 700,000 views with 4,500 posts. This training method is practical, costs nothing, and takes seconds. Your threads are doing 25 - 53 posts.

One of the most recent experiments I played with was using Paclo treatments on pure sativa - TFD's O. Haze. It worked. Such a phenotype that would normally finish out at 12' finished at 6-7'.

Regarding indoors gardening, I was researching and using different hoods while most (if not all) of you was still messin' in your diapers.

Uncle Ben

You really think highly of yourself!...Glad someone is. How many other accounts on this site do you need to keep your ego inflated? I work with people just like you...Engineers have the same mentallity that their shit don't stink but when PROVEN wrong are not willing to LEARN from their mistakes.

I call bullshit on your schooling and background you know nothing about the AG industry. Do you know how easy it is to get a mention from Jorge? I do!...so stop thinking your all that because Jorge spit in your direction.

You should not be giving advice.

 

[kinetic]

You should not be giving advice.

Maybe you should stop getting so offended by Uncle Bens ornery old communications and look at some of the advice the man has given. Strip away your feelings and look at some of the articles all over the place on other sites as well that can give you alot of info. Want to pollinate a branch and harvest the rest of the bud? Use UB's technique for dilluting pollen and applying with a art brush or toothpick. There's lots of good info put out there by him. You have to get past the grouchy old man part.

 

[chuck estevez]

I have to say, I have become a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better grower because of UB. and his advise. Haters be haten just cause he has a little tude. It happens when we get old.
one thing I have noticed, if you give ub respect, he usually returns it.

 

[colonuggs]

I have to say, I have become a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better grower because of UB. and his advise. Haters be haten just cause he has a little tude. It happens when we get old.
one thing I have noticed, if you give ub respect, he usually returns it.

shit im almost 60 and I dont have that attitude.... UB your given us old farts a bad rap

You know your old when you become a legend in your own mind

 

[bde0001]

Very nice!

Mine just dont want to quit, damn things just keep popping new pistils.. 90% cloudy though, I can chop any day. Just trying to let them pack on a little last bit of weight.

Those two huge buds are comparable to a set of perfect tits. That really is beautiful.

 

[stumpjumper]

The end is very near for these girls.. Already at 90%+ cloudy with some scattered amber. Them big thick pistils just keep poppin so I'm letting them get their final push.

Here you go Uncle B... I left that necrotic leaf on there in the back just for you. That plant had a potassium deficiency, my fault... I thought it was a Mag defficiency at first and it came on late, so I gave it some Cal/Mag and just escalated the potassium deficiency further.. (Excess magnesium locks out potassium) The Veg+Bloom I use already has all the Cal/Mag they need and I should've known better... Anyways with 2 weeks left of flower I didn't mess with it.. Not going to make a difference.

Gotta like donkey dicks though...