150w hps S.O.G.

themanwiththeplan

themanwiththeplan

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as im sure many know (from me constantly being an ass and making threads lately) that im trying to change my setup.

ive never grown SOG style before.

how many clones can/should i put under the 150w hps? and in what size pots would be ideal?


THANK YOU




background info for anyone who cares:
im PLANNING on vegging 1 plant under a 2ft 4bulb t5 (its 100w. 8000 lumens) for about 6 wks before taking cuttings...hopefully i'll have enough growth to get enough clones to cover my space under the 150w)

once i take clones the plant i originally grew will be no more...the newly taken clones will take its place under the 2ft 4 bulb t5 for about 2 weeks (mattering on how long the plant in flowering takes to finish and how long it takes the clones to root)

then once the plants are finished in flower the clones will take their place.



im just confused on how many and what size pots would be ideal.
 
for that bulb 4 plants 2g pots (1 per square foot) in a 2x2 space MAX but really you need a bigger light
 
I agree wit agito u might wanna go with a scrog grow ive seen great yields come from this and there is plenty of info on the subject, but eventually you will wanna grab a bigger light more light faster growth and bigger nuggz! Happy growing :eyesmoke:
 
agree, a 150W is only good for one plant, maybe two, if you go 12/12 from seed you might be able to grow 4 very small plant`s they wont yield much each, get a nice 400W with a cool tube and a 4" ventilation, sumthing like this:

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that will grow you 4 nice plants or maybe 9 clones if you go 12/12 once rooted



about Pot`s

I use Cup`s fist two weeks, in order to make em grow a nice root net for the middle of the final pot, then I use a 2-3 gallon in Veg and repot to its final pot a week before flowering, usually a 5 gallon if I have 6-7 weeks old plants, if I Veg longer I use 7 gallon as final pot ..

in a SoG with multply small plant`s I skip the final pot and let em be in the 2-3 gallon (I more or less threat em like Auto´s when it come to pots)

in short pot size = plant size and plant size = time you Veg em before flowering (flowering is pretty much set)
 
I have a 150W HPS + 300W of CFL's and I'm doing 2 plants at a time SOG

150W is not a lot of light for penetrating lower leaves so it's best to have the least amount of plants possible and try to supplement with other lights
 
themanwiththeplan said:
what? i did say SOG. 4 plants in 2 gal pots is overkill 4 that space and hardly considered SOG.
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You do know what SOG is dont you (sea of green) its not my fault your lights not big enough for a larger SOG
1 per sqft is considered the norm i was pushing it saying 2x2! 2x2 is 4 sqft so 4 plants

say if it was 1000w in a 4x4 that 16 sqft which is 16 plants the same rules apply and there both SOG. 1-2 week veg 8 weeks flower would work fine in a 2g you maybe scrape it with a 1g its up to you
 
nevermind. ill learn as i got apparently.

the floor space in a 2x2 is enough for far more than 4 plants. i cant believe ive been given advice that suggest 2-3g pots.

i could easily fit 6-8 imo.

remember...im considering using small containers/pots (less than 1 gal each!). clones will be rooted in rockwool cubes and transferred directly into soil once roots are coming out of the bottoms of the rockwool cubes.

i plan on placing the pots/containers so close together that they will be touching.


some are doing sog in 3 gal pots? thats not SOG growing and explains a low yield perfectly. if put 4 plants in 2 gallon pots under my light i shouldnt do much better than i did with 1 plant under it.


correct me if im wrong but i believe the purpose of SOG is the SAME as SCROG. both are intended to maximize yield in an area. i decided on SOG because its easier to deal with than a SCROG.

my plan was to use maybe half gallon pots and squeeze em in as tight as possible and have nothing but tops in my 2x2 space. 4 plants in that space is a waste and i couldnt even call it a proper scrog.

my goal is keep the plants short and for the tops to extend to every inch of the 2x2 as possible w/o causing mold from them being in too tight.
 
themanwiththeplan said:
nevermind. ill learn as i got apparently.

the floor space in a 2x2 is enough for far more than 4 plants. i cant believe ive been given advice that suggest 2-3g pots.

i could easily fit 6-8 imo.

remember...im considering using small containers/pots (less than 1 gal each!). clones will be rooted in rockwool cubes and transferred directly into soil once roots are coming out of the bottoms of the rockwool cubes.

i plan on placing the pots/containers so close together that they will be touching.


some are doing sog in 3 gal pots? thats not SOG growing and explains a low yield perfectly. if put 4 plants in 2 gallon pots under my light i shouldnt do much better than i did with 1 plant under it.


correct me if im wrong but i believe the purpose of SOG is the SAME as SCROG. both are intended to maximize yield in an area. i decided on SOG because its easier to deal with than a SCROG.

my plan was to use maybe half gallon pots and squeeze em in as tight as possible and have nothing but tops in my 2x2 space. 4 plants in that space is a waste and i couldnt even call it a proper scrog.

my goal is keep the plants short and for the tops to extend to every inch of the 2x2 as possible w/o causing mold from them being in too tight.
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Wouldnt scrog be better for that small of a light? I always associated SOG with large lights with much more penetration, and SCROG with smaller grows used to get the budsites even for max penetration with smaller lights?
or you could just SCROG your SOG haha, just to ensure the light's hitting those buds the way they want? idk
Either way, whatever you do goodluck man hope it works well :bigjoint:
 
SOG just means sea of green as theres that many plants flowering it looks like a field of green
scrog is screen of green as the screen is so full all you see is canopy thats it

both are based on max yield as every bit of light is soaked up by canopy and utilised as fuel for bud production

yields are fine for me (over 1g per watt in organics in those size of pots)

there is no definition on what size of pot can be used in a sog but the rule of thumb is 1g per 4 weeks of life and the other rule which im not 100% on is 1g per square foot of canopy (so 1g could do it) Pot size to small would have direct reflection on yield if to small.

really if you get a 250w then its ideal for that area and that would bump yield loads as its the weakest link here i can see

in general SOG is easier if you goggle SOG Guide theres plenty of info out there i still stand by 4 plants and an extra weeks veg
 
Xrangex said:
Wouldnt scrog be better for that small of a light? I always associated SOG with large lights with much more penetration, and SCROG with smaller grows used to get the budsites even for max penetration with smaller lights?
or you could just SCROG your SOG haha, just to ensure the light's hitting those buds the way they want? idk
Either way, whatever you do goodluck man hope it works well :bigjoint:
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i would do a scrog but it makes my clone box useless and i dont want the watering issues (i either have to have a fully portable scrog setup so i can take the plants to get watered..or have to mount them on something and have something underneath to catch the water) w/ sog those problems are eliminated and i wasnt aware it made a difference on the size light (when it comes to determining if you should go SOG and SCROG) i always have associated them as two ways of accomplishing the same thing.

thats why i was shocked to hear 4 plants as a good idea in a scrog of this size. since im only looking to harvest tops i didnt think the size of my light mattered since im aiming for 1ft tall tops. ill have to probably play with it to see what works best i guess. ill try a scrog with 1/2 gal grow bags and 1gal grow bags (on different occasions) and see whats the difference in number of plants/potsize and see which helps w/ the yield. im honestly aiming for a minimum of 100g from the 150. eventually ill get to 1g per watt. i had it dialed in to 1g per watt when i ran my 2 600w for flowering.

Agito said:
SOG just means sea of green as theres that many plants flowering it looks like a field of green
scrog is screen of green as the screen is so full all you see is canopy thats it

both are based on max yield as every bit of light is soaked up by canopy and utilised as fuel for bud production

yields are fine for me (over 1g per watt in organics in those size of pots)

there is no definition on what size of pot can be used in a sog but the rule of thumb is 1g per 4 weeks of life and the other rule which im not 100% on is 1g per square foot of canopy (so 1g could do it) Pot size to small would have direct reflection on yield if to small.

really if you get a 250w then its ideal for that area and that would bump yield loads as its the weakest link here i can see

in general SOG is easier if you goggle SOG Guide theres plenty of info out there i still stand by 4 plants and an extra weeks veg
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i cant get a 250w. i have 2 600s and a 4ft 6 bulb t5 collecting dust actually. i had to scale down and go stealth (including on my electric bill) which is how im down to this rinky-dink set up. i wanted to do SOG because i thought it would give me the most bud for my buck.

i have to get 4-5 oz per harvest. no easy task but if i can work my way back up to 1g per watt ill be in good shape since 150w at 1g per watt is 150g which is like just over 5 oz.

itll take awhile to get dialed in since its a new setup grown in a new location so i have to get the environment just right. ive done 2 full complete grows w/ the 150w hps so far. my first yield w/ it was 1 big mason jar (quart size i believe..they can be bought in packs of 10-12 from BALL)

the 2nd time i yielded 2 nearly full mason jars (same size...quart)

both of those grows were with one plant each.

i noticed lots of space in the 2x2 was wasted by only having 1 plant thats why i ended up buying a clone tray/dome rockwool cubes and a smaller t5 so i could veg...make clones...do sog...and repeat.

plus...the other main reason i like SOG is that my trimming will be minimized (colas are always easiest to trim)
 
dont sell your self short the 150w hps have a very low lpw conversion so its far harder to get 1g
think its an extra 10% every bulb plus wattage when you go up to 250 400 600 then - 10% of the 600w when you get the 1000w

that 2ftx4ft sog grow the t5 might be good option in the future
 
Agito said:
dont sell your self short the 150w hps have a very low lpw conversion so its far harder to get 1g
think its an extra 10% every bulb plus wattage when you go up to 250 400 600 then - 10% of the 600w when you get the 1000w

that 2ftx4ft sog grow the t5 might be good option in the future
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ur saying try sog w/ the t5?


for my first time out on the SOG i'll keep it simple and just use 4 plants so i can see how much they fill in the space before i "over commit" and put in too many from the start.

i did some more googling and found some guides said to use 6inch pots and pack in 4 plants per square foot. that sounds about right w/ what ive seen b4. im not sure how well the 150w would handle 4 plants per sq ft. in a 2x2 space arent we talking 16 plants? (holy crap watering will take forever and w/ 6inch pots how often will they need water? surely more often than every 4 days)
 
yes but a scrog t5 will work better as canopy height is not far away
the light will handle it fine its whether you can keep them small enough you would have to veg 7 days then flip on 16 plants but 1-2 days either way will make it or break it
water would be daily easily by the end depends how much root they put down, size and strain

you could go 3x3 9 plants if 16 was to much that would also work
 
keep in mind when using a low wattage light and small area that 4 plants in small containers will not yield you more than 2 plants in large containers

smaller containers = less root space = smaller plants = more chance of them getting root bound

bigger containers = more root space = bigger plants


You can either have 4 plants that fill the space or 2 plants that fill the space. But with 4 you have 2 extra that you have to deal with for no real reason other than to say you have 4 vs 2 large plants

I have a 2x3 space, 150w HPS and 300W worth of CFL and I will not be growing more than two plants at a time in that space.
 
Agito said:
yes but a scrog t5 will work better as canopy height is not far away
the light will handle it fine its whether you can keep them small enough you would have to veg 7 days then flip on 16 plants but 1-2 days either way will make it or break it
water would be daily easily by the end depends how much root they put down, size and strain

you could go 3x3 9 plants if 16 was to much that would also work
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ok sounds good.

ill give it a whirl with 4 first to ease myself into it and then ill either go straight to 9 or maybe 6 as a stepping stone.

ill try and keep track of the progress and compare the results.
 
FlightSchool said:
keep in mind when using a low wattage light and small area that 4 plants in small containers will not yield you more than 2 plants in large containers

smaller containers = less root space = smaller plants = more chance of them getting root bound

bigger containers = more root space = bigger plants


You can either have 4 plants that fill the space or 2 plants that fill the space. But with 4 you have 2 extra that you have to deal with for no real reason other than to say you have 4 vs 2 large plants

I have a 2x3 space, 150w HPS and 300W worth of CFL and I will not be growing more than two plants at a time in that space.
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very understandable.

i guess what im hoping is to utilize the 2x2 space to keep an even canopy over the area by flooding it with short basically cola only plants. when im only growing 1 or 2 plants LOTS of light gets wasted as the 150's arent good for penetration. i was hoping by flooding the space with plants that the otherwise "wasted light" or light that never seems to make it down to the bottom of the plants (where "air buds" are usually found) to be put to better use.

will it work? idk.

but im highly motivated since im gonna need to pull at least 3 oz every 2 months from it...4 would be ideal but i doubt it unless i grow "cash croppers" like big bud (which im not interested in).

i do have some chronic seeds from serious on the way and they are suggesting growers NOT top them so i'd assume they will be an excellent experiment for packing a bunch of plants close together.

i'll probably go with grow bags so i can save space but still allow sufficient room for good root development.

i have some 1 gal grow bags that do pretty well. they are narrow (3in by 4 in i believe) and about 10 in tall. my last harvest from my 150 was 1 plant vegged for 20 some odd days under the 150 (in the 1gal grow bag) and flowered for 9 wks and i got about 2 full quart sized mason jars from just that.

so im HOPING i can beat that yield w/ an SOG style where im only growing for colas. or thats what im crossing my fingers for.
 
Agito said:
look forward to it , done serious chronic many moons ago decent cropper
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do you believe its a good strain for SOG?

I also have (in my stash and on the way):
mandala california dream and fruitylicious (both 3 packs of fems)
Critical Jack and Diesel from dinafem (critical jack just pop'd yesterday)
pyramid seeds super hash (low/no expectations with this. i just needed to fill my cart and it was cheap)
Serious chronic (as you already know...its just 1 fem thru pick and mix)
Paradise seeds white berry (only one on the list ive already grown)
Female seeds C99 (been wanting to grow this for a long time)
World of Seeds Afghan Kush x Black Domnia (sounds amazing for my sleep problems especially since i hear Black Domina is lights out)
Reserva Privada Kandy Kush
DNA Lemon Skunk
Seedsman Sleestack x Skunk #1

plus all the attitude freebies as part of the xmas promo

any of those stick out as ideal strains for SOG? keep in mind ive only grown the white berry out of the whole lot of those beans before.
 
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