Outrageous HSBC Settlement Proves the Drug War is a Joke

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
The story is kind of long, but worth the read, I'll post a few quotes from it, but I'd recommend reading the whole article if you've got 10 minutes;

TL;DR: International bank knowingly launders billions of Cartel drug money, gets slap on the wrist from the Justice Dept. proving, as the article ends with "That they are not being prosecuted is cowardice and pure corruption, nothing else. And by approving this settlement, Breuer removed the government's moral authority to prosecute anyone for any other drug offense. Not that most people didn't already know that the drug war is a joke, but this makes it official."





"Breuer this week signed off on a settlement deal with the British banking giant HSBC that is the ultimate insult to every ordinary person who's ever had his life altered by a narcotics charge. Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, opting instead for a "record" financial settlement of $1.9 billion, which as one analyst noted is about five weeks of income for the bank."

"Federal and state authorities have chosen not to indict HSBC, the London-based bank, on charges of vast and prolonged money laundering, for fear that criminal prosecution would topple the bank and, in the process, endanger the financial system.

It doesn't take a genius to see that the reasoning here is beyond flawed. When you decide not to prosecute bankers for billion-dollar crimes connected to drug-dealing and terrorism (some of HSBC's Saudi and Bangladeshi clients had terrorist ties, according to a Senate investigation), it doesn't protect the banking system, it does exactly the opposite."

"As a result of the government's investigation, HSBC has . . . "clawed back" deferred compensation bonuses given to some of its most senior U.S. anti-money laundering and compliance officers, and agreed to partially defer bonus compensation for its most senior officials during the five-year period of the deferred prosecution agreement.

Wow. So the executives who spent a decade laundering billions of dollars will have to partially defer their bonuses during the five-year deferred prosecution agreement? Are you fucking kidding me? That's the punishment? The government's negotiators couldn't hold firm on forcing HSBC officials to completely wait to receive their ill-gotten bonuses? They had to settle on making them "partially" wait? Every honest prosecutor in America has to be puking his guts out at such bargaining tactics. What was the Justice Department's opening offer – asking executives to restrict their Caribbean vacation time to nine weeks a year?

So you might ask, what's the appropriate financial penalty for a bank in HSBC's position? Exactly how much money should one extract from a firm that has been shamelessly profiting from business with criminals for years and years? Remember, we're talking about a company that has admitted to a smorgasbord of serious banking crimes. If you're the prosecutor, you've got this bank by the balls. So how much money should you take?

How about all of it? How about every last dollar the bank has made since it started its illegal activity? How about you dive into every bank account of every single executive involved in this mess and take every last bonus dollar they've ever earned? Then take their houses, their cars, the paintings they bought at Sotheby's auctions, the clothes in their closets, the loose change in the jars on their kitchen counters, every last freaking thing. Take it all and don't think twice. And then throw them in jail."


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213#ixzz2Ey612YjF
 

tibberous

Well-Known Member
The banks would fold without drug money. That's simply reality.
Also helps to keep the 3rd world poor. It takes a large percentage of a countries work force to produce drugs, in exchange for relatively small amounts of money. If all the people making / trading cocaine and opium focused there efforts elsewhere, they'd accomplish a lot more than making a few, increasingly worthless, US dollars -- they'd also build continually-useful infrastructure (factories, farms, tech), as opposed to coca / poppy fields.
 

ru4r34l

Well-Known Member
Also helps to keep the 3rd world poor. It takes a large percentage of a countries work force to produce drugs, in exchange for relatively small amounts of money. If all the people making / trading cocaine and opium focused there efforts elsewhere, they'd accomplish a lot more than making a few, increasingly worthless, US dollars -- they'd also build continually-useful infrastructure (factories, farms, tech), as opposed to coca / poppy fields.
They manufacturer/distribute drugs because that is what pay's the bills, the third world countries do not have the money/infrastructure to build factories, and they do farm (poppies, marijuana, etc..). I am sure if another PROFITABLE industry surfaced people may move to that but citizens of third world countries are just trying to survive and farming these illegal goods pays well for them.

regards,
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Also helps to keep the 3rd world poor. It takes a large percentage of a countries work force to produce drugs, in exchange for relatively small amounts of money. If all the people making / trading cocaine and opium focused there efforts elsewhere, they'd accomplish a lot more than making a few, increasingly worthless, US dollars -- they'd also build continually-useful infrastructure (factories, farms, tech), as opposed to coca / poppy fields.
There's also the small wrinkle of heavily-armed middle management telling the farmers "you will grow what we say" ... cn
 

echelon1k1

New Member
The story is kind of long, but worth the read, I'll post a few quotes from it, but I'd recommend reading the whole article if you've got 10 minutes;

TL;DR: International bank knowingly launders billions of Cartel drug money, gets slap on the wrist from the Justice Dept. proving, as the article ends with "That they are not being prosecuted is cowardice and pure corruption, nothing else. And by approving this settlement, Breuer removed the government's moral authority to prosecute anyone for any other drug offense. Not that most people didn't already know that the drug war is a joke, but this makes it official."





"Breuer this week signed off on a settlement deal with the British banking giant HSBC that is the ultimate insult to every ordinary person who's ever had his life altered by a narcotics charge. Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, opting instead for a "record" financial settlement of $1.9 billion, which as one analyst noted is about five weeks of income for the bank."

"Federal and state authorities have chosen not to indict HSBC, the London-based bank, on charges of vast and prolonged money laundering, for fear that criminal prosecution would topple the bank and, in the process, endanger the financial system.

It doesn't take a genius to see that the reasoning here is beyond flawed. When you decide not to prosecute bankers for billion-dollar crimes connected to drug-dealing and terrorism (some of HSBC's Saudi and Bangladeshi clients had terrorist ties, according to a Senate investigation), it doesn't protect the banking system, it does exactly the opposite."

"As a result of the government's investigation, HSBC has . . . "clawed back" deferred compensation bonuses given to some of its most senior U.S. anti-money laundering and compliance officers, and agreed to partially defer bonus compensation for its most senior officials during the five-year period of the deferred prosecution agreement.

Wow. So the executives who spent a decade laundering billions of dollars will have to partially defer their bonuses during the five-year deferred prosecution agreement? Are you fucking kidding me? That's the punishment? The government's negotiators couldn't hold firm on forcing HSBC officials to completely wait to receive their ill-gotten bonuses? They had to settle on making them "partially" wait? Every honest prosecutor in America has to be puking his guts out at such bargaining tactics. What was the Justice Department's opening offer – asking executives to restrict their Caribbean vacation time to nine weeks a year?

So you might ask, what's the appropriate financial penalty for a bank in HSBC's position? Exactly how much money should one extract from a firm that has been shamelessly profiting from business with criminals for years and years? Remember, we're talking about a company that has admitted to a smorgasbord of serious banking crimes. If you're the prosecutor, you've got this bank by the balls. So how much money should you take?

How about all of it? How about every last dollar the bank has made since it started its illegal activity? How about you dive into every bank account of every single executive involved in this mess and take every last bonus dollar they've ever earned? Then take their houses, their cars, the paintings they bought at Sotheby's auctions, the clothes in their closets, the loose change in the jars on their kitchen counters, every last freaking thing. Take it all and don't think twice. And then throw them in jail."


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-20121213#ixzz2Ey612YjF
Padawan, cant' agree more mate, been watching this story for a good couple of months, over here in AU the media hide the story away in page 10 of business section, it doesn't make headlines or anything close to page one in the newspapers.

It's like these blokes have been caught red-handed walking out of the bank after they've just robbed it and have been met by a sea of cops, with one cops saying "Hold it buddy, you know bank robbery is illegal and that'll be a $1 million dollar fine". Robber turns and says "no worries" and pulls out $1 million dollars from his bag of $50 million.

Is the risk worth the gain? For these banks fucking aye... They know no one goes to jail and I'm positive their lawyers and accountants factor in any possible fines or penalties in their cost/benefit analysis and decide fuck it, laudinering $700b is worth any future litigation/prosecution.

It does not surprise me though, HSBC - Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation, started in the 1800s, in part, as a bank for the opium traders. It seems from it's inception, HSBC's income, at some level, has been derived from drug sales/money laundering. HSBC ain't the only ones, without narco-dollars, the US banking system would collapse.
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Padawan, cant' agree more mate, been watching this story for a good couple of months, over here in AU the media hide the story away in page 10 of business section, it doesn't make headlines or anything close to page one in the newspapers.

It's like these blokes have been caught red-handed walking out of the bank after they've just robbed it and have been met by a sea of cops, with one cops saying "Hold it buddy, you know bank robbery is illegal and that'll be a $1 million dollar fine". Robber turns and says "no worries" and pulls out $1 million dollars from his bag of $50 million.

Is the risk worth the gain? For these banks fucking aye... They know no one goes to jail and I'm positive their lawyers and accountants factor in any possible fines or penalties in their cost/benefit analysis and decide fuck it, laudinering $700b is worth any future litigation/prosecution.

It does not surprise me though, HSBC - Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation, started in the 1800s, in part, as a bank for the opium traders. It seems from it's inception, HSBC's income, at some level, has been derived from drug sales/money laundering. HSBC ain't the only ones, without narco-dollars, the US banking system would collapse.
Interesting to tie in the Opium traders. British empire was to China then as the cartels are to the US now and HSBC fits into both drug trades the same.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Interesting to tie in the Opium traders. British empire was to China then as the cartels are to the US now and HSBC fits into both drug trades the same.
Yeah bro, HSBC was the "Crowns" bank for all their opium proceeds, the CIA's bank during vietnam & probably today and the list goes on. They've been front & centre in laundering narco-dollars since their establishement
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Yeah bro, HSBC was the "Crowns" bank for all their opium proceeds, the CIA's bank during vietnam & probably today and the list goes on. They've been front & centre in laundering narco-dollars since their establishement
Let's not forget the US was formed by a revolution against the crown. WTF happened? When did we become the commonwealth's (empire's) guardian?

If your military and money still "royal" down there?
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Let's not forget the US was formed by a revolution against the crown. WTF happened? When did we become the commonwealth's (empire's) guardian?

If your military and money still "royal" down there?
Yep got the picture of the QEII on our $5 notes and our military still carries the royal prefix not just in name but ceremonialy too. Anglo-American Empire is still strong, even though it presents the facade of dacay, the alleged "drug war" is just another arm of the heagemony
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Yep got the picture of the QEII on our $5 notes and our military still carries the royal prefix not just in name but ceremonialy too. Anglo-American Empire is still strong, even though it presents the facade of dacay, the alleged "drug war" is just another arm of the heagemony
The casualties are mostly Hispanic.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
So how/why are these people getting away with this type of shit?

Money laundering holds a pretty serious penalty in most western jurisdictions, yet if you do it in the billions, internationally, and in the open for everyone to see, you face no penalty, no consequences, and get off essentially scott free.

What the fuck?
 

echelon1k1

New Member
So how/why are these people getting away with this type of shit?

Money laundering holds a pretty serious penalty in most western jurisdictions, yet if you do it in the billions, internationally, and in the open for everyone to see, you face no penalty, no consequences, and get off essentially scott free.

What the fuck?
I wonder this too and the most logical reason is greed. Too much money at stake and governments too, regardless of which side of the isle they stand, realise the amount of money the illegal narcotics trade pumps through economies is mind boggling, so much so that they’ll turn a blind eye to it, happy in reaping massive profits through taxes and siezures.

Federal, State & Local Law enforcement want their cut of the “drug war”pie so does the prison industrial complex and looking at the increasing incarceration numbers for drug possession certain individuals and organisations are reaping massive profits from locking up non-violent drug offenders. What ever happened to “Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself ?”

I think this is why the idea of de-criminalisation is blasphemy to the establishment – in saying that I applaud the initiatives in Colorado, Washington, California etc...
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
So how/why are these people getting away with this type of shit?

Money laundering holds a pretty serious penalty in most western jurisdictions, yet if you do it in the billions, internationally, and in the open for everyone to see, you face no penalty, no consequences, and get off essentially scott free.

What the fuck?
No, you get a bailout.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
So how/why are these people getting away with this type of shit?

Money laundering holds a pretty serious penalty in most western jurisdictions, yet if you do it in the billions, internationally, and in the open for everyone to see, you face no penalty, no consequences, and get off essentially scott free.

What the fuck?
In a word: corruption. cn
 
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