CA/Bay Area Vendors Union: What to grow, where to sell and how to sell

[Mithrandir420]

Good grief I KNOW that purple is not synonymous with quality I think that's EXACTLY what I said, that quality purple is REALLY hard to find in socal! Fella, I'm not a moron I know purpling can be caused by temps and nutrient deficiencies, I was born at night, not LAST night that is literally the first thing one learns when smoking and they first come across purple weed. What I said was IN MY EXPERIENCE I absolutely LOVED blackberry kush that leaned kush. I've had purple strains barney the dinosaur purple because it's genetic and they have some outrageous taste when quality. I can tell the difference between purple weed thats lowgrade and purple weed thats top shelf. Purples might be the easiest strain to tell right away whether its good or not they usually smell way too earthy when lower grade. In MY experience. I've had gods gift and it did have a great purple taste but it wasn't the type of purple taste I'm seeking (AKA purple taste I've encountered that were to my taste). I'm looking more for the grape candy flavor the blackberry kush had, or a few other good purp samples I've had. I'm not making up things to seek haha I'm literally only looking for things I've had and enjoyed and since I've only bought the best I could find from the beginning AND I know how to figure out if the genetics are real, my goal should be pretty attainable. And what I meant about areas pertaining to genetics that appear there, LA is known for OG cuts, further north for their purples, netherlands for their hazes, etc. Just curious what, say the Bay area specializes in, or, say OC.

I wasn't speaking of you directly. There is a ton of misinformation and legend and lore on every cannabis board. Finding people who know what they are talking about can be a rare thing. I mentioned to Dan Kone that I would talk with him because I have read some of his other posts. Personally I think he knows what he's talking about.

I believe you about the grape candy blackberry kush existing. I know because I have one very similar. It's one of two purples I have tried that were actually really good. Mine has a wonderful candy fuel aroma.

 

[BubbaGum]

I wasn't speaking of you directly. There is a ton of misinformation and legend and lore on every cannabis board. Finding people who know what they are talking about can be a rare thing. I mentioned to Dan Kone that I would talk with him because I have read some of his other posts. Personally I think he knows what he's talking about.

I believe you about the grape candy blackberry kush existing. I know because I have one very similar. It's one of two purples I have tried that were actually really good. Mine has a wonderful candy fuel aroma.

I would absolutely agree, I read the entire thread before posting and Dan and most others posting here have insight and experience into this industry that is super valuable.
That is so beautiful, did you get it from a pack of seeds? Any advice you could give on locating a quality purple strain? I'm looking into cannanetics for their purple Urkle, and you can get flower samples of the clones they sell too so hopefully that pans out, otherwise I'm going to grab fire alien urkle form raskal, been urged to try it. Otherwise I'm probably looking at a decent roadtrip to clones elsewhere (which is fine, getting to see mountains and ocean for hours listening to good tunes sounds like a day to me) so if you know a good place further away I should checkout I'd be appreciative!

 

[Dan Kone]

To Dan, maybe I didn't get on my knees enough the first time.......

Wasn't my intention to be condescending or insulting. If I was, I apologize.

I'm not uneducated. You didn't understand me, I HAVE had amazing grapefruit kush AND Romulan what I was saying how it makes me frustrated those strains are always lowgrade instead of the fire samples I've had! Same with MK Ultra! *Side Question* you have any experience with Next generation other than grapefruit Kush? If not, how did you like the GK in finished product and in flowering? I

I've never grown any other of their strains. I loved the final product from the grapefruit kush. It was a great plant. I only grew out a few of them, but I think it was a nice sweet strain sort of lacking in a pungent grapefruit/citrus flavor I was expecting, but still very nice.

Sound like your problem is that the clubs around you just suck. I don't know enough about the clubs down there to recommend a good one.

I read HT because they DO have some useful stuff occasionally, as a grower concerned with business I'm surprised you wouldn't make it your priority to read as much as possible.

Yeah, IDK. Maybe it is useful. But in general I find all cannabis magazines to be basically a collection of ads, where even the articles are generally for the purpose of trying to get you to buy shit. The only time I read them is when I'm in a dispensary waiting to see the buyer. Generally west coast cannabis and culture are the ones available for me to read.

Yea more than half is garbage, yet there ARE some gems among the pages so no need to frown so on it.

You're probably right, IDK. Like I said, I haven't really read it since highschool, so I can't actually speak to the quality of that particular magazine.

As for indoor lighting do you keep up with the advances in LEDS?

Yes, to a point. Most of the "advances" are just people trying to promote bullshit, but there are actually some LED's better than others.

I actually own quite a few LEDS. I use them for vegging moms and to keep plants from flowering outside. As long as you're using LED's that are made up of 3w or greater bulbs, they are pretty efficient for this.

There are quite a few threads showing larger grows using some of these panels and a few have been at or very near 1g per watt.

Yes, that's true. You can actually get considerably higher than 1g per watt with LED's. The problem is that bud just doesn't hold up to the quality of HPS grown bud. It's extremely fluffy with much smaller buds. You basically get a crop of larf with very few nice looking buds. Nothing wrong with that if you're growing for personal smoke. But commercially it's not yet a viable option to flower with LED's.

I've got area 51's myself and they are really high quality and the power draw is exactly as advertised.

I've seen those in the box, haven't tried them myself.

I've even seen blackstars used to success though they are at the lower quality end. Just something to look into over the next few years.

For vegging MOM's, LED tech is great right now. They are still inferior for both vegging plants you're going to flower and actually flowering plants at this time. I'm sure they'll catch up eventually.

*In case this needs to be said you don't need to defend your area being the starting point for many great strains. I'm from Chicago I have zero loyalty to LA and as I've stated I'm frustrated with the decline in genetics here so if anything...I'm on your side?*

I'm not hating on LA. I just have absolutely no clue what's going on there right now in terms of finding quality bud. My range of current knowledge is limited to anywhere between Humboldt and central Cali.

 

[biglungs]

Also purple kush and GSC are pretty awesome purples. But really, purple isn't what makes a strain awesome.

i thought cookies was f1durbanXOGkush? didnt think it had purps in it

EPIC meds area hard to find from mendo cuz they dont want to get lowballed and just risk business out of state

 

[Dan Kone]

i thought cookies was f1durbanXOGkush? didnt think it had purps in it

EPIC meds area hard to find from mendo cuz they dont want to get lowballed and just risk business out of state

It doesn't have purps in it. It's a mysterous f1 x durban x og. It is a purple strain, but no it does not have the purps in it.

I've had some fucking incredible stuff come from mendo, but yes, you're right. The epic stuff generally stays up there as headstash.

 

[Mithrandir420]

I would absolutely agree, I read the entire thread before posting and Dan and most others posting here have insight and experience into this industry that is super valuable.
That is so beautiful, did you get it from a pack of seeds? Any advice you could give on locating a quality purple strain? I'm looking into cannanetics for their purple Urkle, and you can get flower samples of the clones they sell too so hopefully that pans out, otherwise I'm going to grab fire alien urkle form raskal, been urged to try it. Otherwise I'm probably looking at a decent roadtrip to clones elsewhere (which is fine, getting to see mountains and ocean for hours listening to good tunes sounds like a day to me) so if you know a good place further away I should checkout I'd be appreciative!

I'll tell ya and I am willing to admit that I got lucky when I got this one. I have a couple of strains that someone on here wanted. Good stuff for sure, but not super elite. But they wanted it and were willing to trade some clones that I had been looking for. So I drove over 14 hours in one day to trade clones with him (he's another legal medical patient) and he decided that since I was willing to drive so far that he would share some of his other genetics with me. I acquired this one and the GSC and the Blue Dream I currently run.

The whole thing reaffirmed my faith in what we all do in that when it comes down to it we all love this plant, and that relationships matter in this business/lifestyle.

Now as for seeds... I have mostly grown from seed, and I have found some real keepers over the years, but these elite clone only phenos? Well... These are one in a thousand plants. Which is why they are so highly coveted. You can cross haze and blueberry till the cows come home, but the odds that anyone will get the exact same genetic expression that is the elite pheno of Blue Dream, the Santa Cruz cut, Blue Dream Haze... well that is one in a million. Same with many clone onlys. Those super fantastic ones? Genetic anomalies.

 

[Dan Kone]

You can cross haze and blueberry till the cows come home, but the odds that anyone will get the exact same genetic expression that is the elite pheno of Blue Dream, the Santa Cruz cut, Blue Dream Haze... well that is one in a million. Same with many clone onlys. Those super fantastic ones? Genetic anomalies.

DJ Short actually attempted this. It took him 5 years to breed and stabilize his version of blue dream, azure haze. I haven't actually seen it yet but I'd really like to pick this up.

 

[biglungs]

f1 x durban x og. It is a purple strain, but no it does not have the purps in it.

OIC i dindnt mean "purps" the strain specifically just a purple thanks for clearing that up.


@bubbagum socal clubs r trash IMO the only one that had actual quality i ever went to is closed due to silly city ordinances but the owner was from humboldt originally and knew plenty about his meds. too many places down thr seem like they r ran buy ppl that should b running a liquor store or the dollar store. just looking for the cheapest product they can sell at the highest price.

lol i went to one down the street from my cousins house off of sunset blvd these armenians saw my ID was from norcal they start right away buddy can u get me outdoor?? i dont want to pay more than 600 a p for it though. told him to hit up the cartel for some trespass or public land grown herbs MEDICAL GRADE OUTDOOR is more valuable than that

 

[Mithrandir420]

DJ Short actually attempted this. It took him 5 years to breed and stabilize his version of blue dream, azure haze. I haven't actually seen it yet but I'd really like to pick this up.

I would like to try that. I would also like to see the good pheno from it. I very much respect the DJ Short at least tries to stabilize his lines. IMO it's the difference between a breeder, and a pollen chucker. Not that the pollen chuckers haven't brought us some great strains, but there is something nice about breeders that actually breed and stabilize their lines so the seeds don't produce a dozen different phenos.

Have you (or anyone here) tried to grow his Blueberry from seed? I hear that the real nice blueberry keeper pheno is hard to find.

 

[Hempin]

Went into a club today with samples of my new indoor harvest and this jack ace sitting in a back room watching Jerry Springer looks at the samples and says "nice bud we can do like 18." I politely told him thanks and headed for the door.
Now with that said, I grow TOP shelf herb and these clubs are so...greedy they force farmers/growers to resort to moving their meds. Thru the streets.
I guess im just venting after my experience.

 

[Vick82]

Good find man. Never seen that. I like it.

Check this out:

Cannatonic: 24.75% thc, 11%cbd, top shelf bag appeal

https://www.stickyguide.com/dispensaries/elemental-wellness/products/cannatonic-high-cbd--2

Got an eigth of this when they had it. It was great! Get crazy tinglies all throughout your back.

 

[ReefBongwell]

I love it when people invoke the word "medical" to explain why they need a specific flavor of bud. Unless you have some immune deficiency disease or are doing radiation treatments, it's unlikely you need the specific type of bud you're describing to treat a specific medical condition.

I see why you're saying that, but it's also now been proven that the terpenes responsible for the different flavors and smells themselves have medicinal effects. Terpene profile is the next big thing. That's like saying differing cannabinoids don't make a difference... but most general people don't know that

 

[Dan Kone]

I see why you're saying that, but it's also now been proven that the terpenes responsible for the different flavors and smells themselves have medicinal effects. Terpene profile is the next big thing. That's like saying differing cannabinoids don't make a difference... but most general people don't know that

I get that. But let's be real. 90% of people who walk into a dispensary are just their for the great selection of buds, not the medicinal benefit. Then they claim they are entitled to the top shelf bud at a discount because it's medicine, even though they aren't using it medicinally.

 

[Mithrandir420]

I get that. But let's be real. 90% of people who walk into a dispensary are just their for the great selection of buds, not the medicinal benefit. Then they claim they are entitled to the top shelf bud at a discount because it's medicine, even though they aren't using it medicinally.

And when you tell them to fuck off they tell you that you have no compassion for the sick. Yeah, I am really touched by your level of stress caused by having to live at home while working a crappy job. Here, have some free weed you poor sick person.

 

[LakeCounty707]

Yeah they are a joke up here. About 2 years ago i rocked rome interior sour d to tripple c for 28 cents per. altogether i got rid of 11 at 1 time i was blown away!!

 

[Soupsah]

Yeah they are a joke up here. About 2 years ago i rocked rome interior sour d to tripple c for 28 cents per. altogether i got rid of 11 at 1 time i was blown away!!

What ever happen to the triple c guys? I use to deal with the triple c in Sac.

 

[method2mymadness]

What ever happen to the triple c guys? I use to deal with the triple c in Sac.

The one in sac is shut down preety shure not shure about there other location ...but they kept bragging that there a state sanctioned club and there not going anywhere week later there gone

 

[Soupsah]

The one in sac is shut down preety shure not shure about there other location ...but they kept bragging that there a state sanctioned club and there not going anywhere week later there gone

Yeah they are gone in Sac. Too bad for the workers there. Most were pretty cool.

 

[cherrybobeddie]

I've been a farmer virtually my entire adult life. Everything you complain about with the clubs not wanting to pay, well, we have a saying,"that's farming".
With peaches the buyers want them big and red with all the shelf life they can get. "Flavor? Uh, oh, yeh, we want them to taste good." Sure you do. Few people even know what a tree ripened peach tastes like. Just like probably few, for all the talk about it, have had really good Durban Poison.
Safeway is one of the worst for this. They want them cheap. Period.
in regards to clones I feel like there must be several different things running around masquerading as GSC clones, or Blue Dream clones. There must be as I've seen too much variation. Actually I am thinking of just buying seeds from seed banks i trust.
It would be interesting to run some dna tests on some of these popular clones, or seed grown for that matter, and just see what they are and how much variation.
I agree with what was previously said about Herer, and even AK47. They just don't seem to be what they were.
I disagree with the disparagement of outdoor grow. It just depends on who, where and how. I feel much cannabis I encounter seems to have been dried too quickly, or not flushed, or perhaps just poorly cured.
My view of the situation, though, comes from Seattle. We are like a year (or more) behind Cali in what people want.
OK, my two cents.

 

[Juicy Juice]

Hey, great forum I stumbled upon here. Since there hasnt been a post in awhile, thought i'd chime in. Like any other business a 'provider' ought to stand out from the rest, promoting something that no one else has give you the upper hand no doubt. Could have missed this mentioned somewhere, but with all the abundance of product in the bay area hence drastic price drop, could anyone shed light on what to lookout for regarding what to grow next. Or as a provider, how do you make your medicine sell or even wanted given that this industry is all about how strains are marketed? Thanks for any input.
Cheers