Adam Lanza's mother

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

So its a double standard? "Reasonable precautions" for your car, but by god no matter what precautions you take with the guns, if they get stolen then it MUST be the fault of the person who took precautions.

Gimme a fucking break. You don't think the majority of guns were made to hunt and plink? LOL you are dreaming if you think the 10 million Marlin model 60 .22 rimfire rifles were built so you could kill another person. You really think shotguns were made to kill people? They were made to shoot birds taken to wing.

And here we have it folks.......your typical gun clinging conservative. Whines about poor people taking responsibility for their lives but won't accept any for theirs.

 

[NoDrama]

And here we have it folks.......your typical gun clinging conservative. Whines about poor people taking responsibility for their lives but won't accept any for theirs.

But if you simply lock your car, leave it outside on the street and it gets stolen, oh well not your fault. But the gun in the house, locked in a vault isn't precaution enough?

BTW where did i mention Poor people?

 

[st0wandgrow]

So its a double standard? "Reasonable precautions" for your car, but by god no matter what precautions you take with the guns, if they get stolen then it MUST be the fault of the person who took precautions.

Gimme a fucking break. You don't think the majority of guns were made to hunt and plink? LOL you are dreaming if you think the 10 million Marlin model 60 .22 rimfire rifles were built so you could kill another person. You really think shotguns were made to kill people? They were made to shoot birds taken to wing.

Yes it's a double standard! We're talking about two very different items! Do you expect people to take the same precautions with a hair brush that you would with a bomb?

If someone steals my car, is it reasonable to assume that the purpose for stealing the car would be to kill, or otherwise threaten to kill someone? No, no it wouldn't be.

Now, if someone steals my gun, would it be reasonable to assume that the purpose for stealing my gun would be to kill, or otherwise threaten to kill someone? Yes, yes it would be.

I'm asking you to be reasonable, use common sense, and not try to paint everything so black and white. I expect you to be a responsible adult, and take *reasonable* precautionary measures when dealing with a gun (particularly if you, or someone living with you is a couple crayons short). When it comes to your toothbrush, I really don't give a fuck.

I'm not sure that you're capable of seeing the distinction here.

 

[cannabineer]

Yes it's a double standard! We're talking about two very different items! Do you expect people to take the same precautions with a hair brush that you would with a bomb?

If someone steals my car, is it reasonable to assume that the purpose for stealing the car would be to kill, or otherwise threaten to kill someone? No, no it wouldn't be.

Now, if someone steals my gun, would it be reasonable to assume that the purpose for stealing my gun would be to kill, or otherwise threaten to kill someone? Yes, yes it would be.

I'm asking you to be reasonable, use common sense, and not try to paint everything so black and white. I expect you to be a responsible adult, and take *reasonable* precautionary measures when dealing with a gun (particularly if you, or someone living with you is a couple crayons short). When it comes to your toothbrush, I really don't give a fuck.

I'm not sure that you're capable of seeing the distinction here.

I would like to see the penalty for stealing a gun or other deadly weapon to be severe. If someone steals my gun, who acts in worse societal faith ... I or the thief? cn

 

[NoDrama]

Now, if someone steals my gun, would it be reasonable to assume that the purpose for stealing my gun would be to kill, or otherwise threaten to kill someone? Yes, yes it would be.

I'm asking you to be reasonable, use common sense, and not try to paint everything so black and white. I expect you to be a responsible adult, and take *reasonable* precautionary measures when dealing with a gun (particularly if you, or someone living with you is a couple crayons short).

It is not reasonable at all to expect that if your gun is stolen it was stolen for the purpose of killing someone at all. WOw thats quite the jumping to conclusions there. I would think in most instances where a gun is stolen is because the thief is going to sell that gun for money. Do you think the reason anyone legally buys a gun is so that they can kill someone?

Let me be clear, you would not call locking a gun into a vault as enough of a precaution?

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

How many of the over 8000 people killed with guns every year were killed with stolen guns compared to legally obtained guns? Anyone seen any stats on that?

All guns were legally obtained at one point, so either there are quite a few law abiding people committing murder or there are a lot of gun owners failing to secure their guns properly.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I would like to see the penalty for stealing a gun or other deadly weapon to be severe. If someone steals my gun, who acts in worse societal faith ... I or the thief? cn

No question, it's the thief.

But does that absolve the gun owner of any wrong doing if he/she was careless with the gun to begin with?

 

[st0wandgrow]

It is not reasonable at all to expect that if your gun is stolen it was stolen for the purpose of killing someone at all. WOw thats quite the jumping to conclusions there. I would think in most instances where a gun is stolen is because the thief is going to sell that gun for money. Do you think the reason anyone legally buys a gun is so that they can kill someone?

Let me be clear, you would not call locking a gun into a vault as enough of a precaution?

Locking a gun in a vault is taking a very good precautionary measure with your gun.

Leaving the keys to the vault laying beside the vault is not.

 

[st0wandgrow]

It is not reasonable at all to expect that if your gun is stolen it was stolen for the purpose of killing someone at all. WOw thats quite the jumping to conclusions there. I would think in most instances where a gun is stolen is because the thief is going to sell that gun for money. Do you think the reason anyone legally buys a gun is so that they can kill someone?

Let me be clear, you would not call locking a gun into a vault as enough of a precaution?

Not trying to be a dick here, but you mentioned that you knew the safe combo to your fathers gun safe at a very young age. Given that, I would consider your father a careless gun owner.

 

[NoDrama]

How many of the over 8000 people killed with guns every year were killed with stolen guns compared to legally obtained guns? Anyone seen any stats on that?

All guns were legally obtained at one point, so either there are quite a few law abiding people committing murder or there are a lot of gun owners failing to secure their guns properly.

how many of those 8000 killed were suicides? How many were accidental? How many were law enforcement or military?

Just because you break the law to gain access to my guns does not indicate that I have failed in my responsibility, just as we do not blame the bank manager if his bank is robbed in the night while he was home asleep.

 

[NoDrama]

Not trying to be a dick here, but you mentioned that you knew the safe combo to your fathers gun safe at a very young age. Given that, I would consider your father a careless gun owner.

My father had no idea I knew the combination. You still gonna hold him responsible for nothing happening?

I dunno bout you , i'm only in my 50's, but I still don't consider 10 being a VERY young age. Maybe 3 years old. I would consider that VERY young, at 12 you are technically a man in many cultures.

 

[st0wandgrow]

How many of the over 8000 people killed with guns every year were killed with stolen guns compared to legally obtained guns? Anyone seen any stats on that?

All guns were legally obtained at one point, so either there are quite a few law abiding people committing murder or there are a lot of gun owners failing to secure their guns properly.

Here's another fun fact ....

There are roughly 800-900 accidental gun deaths in the US every year. There are only 200-300 justifiable homicides in the US every year. So, the odds of your kid getting a hold of the gun and killing them self with it are 3-4x higher than that weapon ever being used to stop a thief/killer/boogeyman.

 

[st0wandgrow]

how many of those 8000 killed were suicides? How many were accidental? How many were law enforcement or military?

Just because you break the law to gain access to my guns does not indicate that I have failed in my responsibility, just as we do not blame the bank manager if his bank is robbed in the night while he was home asleep.

Money can be replaced. Those 20 dead kids can't.

 

[NoDrama]

Locking a gun in a vault is taking a very good precautionary measure with your gun.

Leaving the keys to the vault laying beside the vault is not.

Good gun vaults have keys to unlock the combination so that it can be turned, still gotta know the combo.
If just a key opens the vault, its a gun LOCKER, not a vault. A Vault is a 600 Pound + armored box that is resistant to physical attacks and is generally anchored to the floor.

 

[NoDrama]

Here's another fun fact ....

There are roughly 800-900 accidental gun deaths in the US every year. There are only 200-300 justifiable homicides in the US every year. So, the odds of your kid getting a hold of the gun and killing them self with it are 3-4x higher than that weapon ever being used to stop a thief/killer/boogeyman.

Actually the odds don't change, one is not exclusive of the other.

 

[NoDrama]

Money can be replaced. Those 20 dead kids can't.

Lets say the robber takes a hostage and kills a few people on the way out, still the bank managers fault right?

 

[st0wandgrow]

My father had no idea I knew the combination. You still gonna hold him responsible for nothing happening?

I dunno bout you , i'm only in my 50's, but I still don't consider 10 being a VERY young age. Maybe 3 years old. I would consider that VERY young, at 12 you are technically a man in many cultures.

That changes nothing. The fact that your father was careless enough with the safe combo to allow a child to learn it is the issue.

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

how many of those 8000 killed were suicides? How many were accidental? How many were law enforcement or military?

Just because you break the law to gain access to my guns does not indicate that I have failed in my responsibility, just as we do not blame the bank manager if his bank is robbed in the night while he was home asleep.

My number was off, there were actually a total of 9,146 homicides by firearms in the US in 2009 not including suicides or accidental.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

 

[st0wandgrow]

Lets say the robber takes a hostage and kills a few people on the way out, still the bank managers fault right?

I thought the bank manager was at home in bed?

Is this a new 24/7 bank I'm not aware of?

 

[NoDrama]

That changes nothing. The fact that your father was careless enough with the safe combo to allow a child to learn it is the issue.

OMG and no one was hurt, I had my first rifle at age 5, first shotgun at 8, he bought them for me and would turn me loose on the countryside, everyone I knew did that. All my friends had guns, all my relatives, all my neighbors. Having a gun was no big deal, in fact, you were different if you didn't have a few. I probably knew more about the safe handling of guns by age 3 than you will in your entire lifetime.

I assume you have never held, shot or had anything to do with a gun because you believe as soon as you touch it , its going to kill someone.