NRA wants elementery schools to be the foundation of a police state.

[budlover13]

So you see no need to regulate bomb making material or guns, yet in your sig you promote regulating marijuana like wine. Interesting.

i see no need to regulate fertilizer or guns, no.

The regulate mj like wine was an attempt on the last election to make a step in a better direction than where we are now.

You know, compromise to work within the system?

Well, i've learned that compromising and working within the system is rather futile most of the time.

 

[Beefbisquit]

OK, I'll bite... how do you do that?

I've already gone over this a million times.

If you have firearms in your home that aren't in use, lock them up. If you're home and have your gun on you, that's fine, if it's within reach it's fine. But leaving unsecured firearms just lying around, or in unlocked cabinets or boxes is just a terrible idea.

If you want to have a firearm ready to use at night in case of burglars then keep one beside your bed, but when you leave for work the next morning lock it away so it can't be stolen. Better yet, use trigger locks all the time unless the gun is in use, being cleaned, or otherwise under your direct supervision.

Firearms that get stolen often get used for crime, a fairly simple solution that doesn't involve anyone losing any firearm, is just keep them more secure. A very, very, dedicated thief may still steal them - but a very, very, dedicated thief can steal virtually anything. However, the fact that it could still possibly be stolen doesn't mean that securing it at all appropriate times wouldn't lessen gun related theft, and therefore related crime.

The population of the USA was 4,000,000 people when the Constitution was written and they used muskets - to hold the same safety standards as the 1700's is simply naive, but it doesn't mean anyone needs to have their personal property taken away from them, or even be told what they can and cannot buy/own/trade.

 

[budlover13]

I've already gone over this a million times.

If you have firearms in your home that aren't in use, lock them up. If you're home and have your gun on you, that's fine, if it's within reach it's fine. But leaving unsecured firearms just lying around, or in unlocked cabinets or boxes is just a terrible idea.

If you want to have a firearm ready to use at night in case of burglars then keep one beside your bed, but when you leave for work the next morning lock it away so it can't be stolen. Better yet, use trigger locks all the time unless the gun is in use, being cleaned, or otherwise under your direct supervision.

Firearms that get stolen often get used for crime, a fairly simple solution that doesn't involve anyone losing any firearm, is just keep them more secure. A very, very, dedicated thief may still steal them - but a very, very, dedicated thief can steal virtually anything. However, the fact that it could still possibly be stolen doesn't mean that securing it at all appropriate times wouldn't lessen gun related theft, and therefore related crime.

The population of the USA was 4,000,000 people when the Constitution was written and they used muskets - to hold the same safety standards as the 1700's is simply naive, but it doesn't mean anyone needs to have their personal property taken away from them, or even be told what they can and cannot buy/own/trade.

Agreed that these are all great advice and should be followed. i disagree that someone should be FORCED to follow them.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Agreed that these are all great advice and should be followed. i disagree that someone should be FORCED to follow them.

And there in lies our difference.

I would more or less see it akin to a seat belt law; except it's not protecting you it's protecting other people.

 

[budlover13]

And there in lies our difference.

I would more or less see it akin to a seat belt law; except it's not protecting you it's protecting other people.

i follow these tactics for the most part but i don't do it to keep others safe as much as i do it to keep my weapons safe.

i detest seat belt laws. i wear mine constantly and wish Darwinism weren't being legislated out of effectiveness.

 

[Grandpapy]

Would it possible to produce fewer crazy people? After all, isn't that the problem?

 

[beardo]

 

[Mindmelted]

Lets all post dumbass Earnst saying's

Kinda like this lame ass on from a lame ass earnst.

Originally Posted by Earnst
I want to see guns banned for citizens and only in the hands of authority figures just like in Nazi Germany, Fascism moving forward. If you"re not with us you"re with the terrorists.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Would it possible to produce fewer crazy people? After all, isn't that the problem?

Yes it is. People need to stop eating foods with added hormones and other chemicals. Stop taking mood altering big pharma meds.

 

[beardo]

What will you lose with a National Gun Law?

We had one,
It was called the second amendment

 

[Beefbisquit]

Would it possible to produce fewer crazy people? After all, isn't that the problem?

Crazy people are generally easier to deal with than extremely well armed crazy people.

The USA has similar rates of mental disorders to other developed nations, but other developed nations have higher safety standards, and enforce stricter storage and carry laws. Combine that with the sheer number of guns in the USA (not saying quantity is a bad thing, just stating the facts) and it certainly appears to rear its head in a pretty obvious way.

It makes the USA a vast statistical outlier in gun murders per year amoung developed nations. Go ahead and compare the USA to Columbia and El Salvador if you want to, I'd like to think the USA could do better, not worse.

 

[cannabineer]

Crazy people are generally easier to deal with than extremely well armed crazy people.

The USA has similar rates of mental disorders to other developed nations, but other developed nations have higher safety standards, and enforce stricter storage and carry laws. Combine that with the sheer number of guns in the USA (not saying quantity is a bad thing, just stating the facts) and it certainly appears to rear its head in a pretty obvious way.

It makes the USA a vast statistical outlier in gun murders per year amoung developed nations. Go ahead and compare the USA to Columbia and El Salvador if you want to, I'd like to think the USA could do better, not worse.

armed

well-armed

very well-armed

extremely well-armed

perhaps a touch overgunned

cn

 

[Grandpapy]

Crazy people are generally easier to deal with than extremely well armed crazy people.

The USA has similar rates of mental disorders to other developed nations, but other developed nations have higher safety standards, and enforce stricter storage and carry laws. Combine that with the sheer number of guns in the USA (not saying quantity is a bad thing, just stating the facts) and it certainly appears to rear its head in a pretty obvious way.

It makes the USA a vast statistical outlier in gun murders per year amoung developed nations. Go ahead and compare the USA to Columbia and El Salvador if you want to, I'd like to think the USA could do better, not worse.

Crime is crime, it goes up when economics makes it profitable lifestyle, vs living in jail. Gun laws wont change that.

And if you mean having Crazy people live in tent cities, under bridges, (I can take a picture of a make shift home 2 of them are living in right now) as taking care of them, well you don't seem to understand mental health.

 

[deprave]

I've already gone over this a million times.

If you have firearms in your home that aren't in use, lock them up. If you're home and have your gun on you, that's fine, if it's within reach it's fine. But leaving unsecured firearms just lying around, or in unlocked cabinets or boxes is just a terrible idea.

If you want to have a firearm ready to use at night in case of burglars then keep one beside your bed, but when you leave for work the next morning lock it away so it can't be stolen. Better yet, use trigger locks all the time unless the gun is in use, being cleaned, or otherwise under your direct supervision.

Firearms that get stolen often get used for crime, a fairly simple solution that doesn't involve anyone losing any firearm, is just keep them more secure. A very, very, dedicated thief may still steal them - but a very, very, dedicated thief can steal virtually anything. However, the fact that it could still possibly be stolen doesn't mean that securing it at all appropriate times wouldn't lessen gun related theft, and therefore related crime.

The population of the USA was 4,000,000 people when the Constitution was written and they used muskets - to hold the same safety standards as the 1700's is simply naive, but it doesn't mean anyone needs to have their personal property taken away from them, or even be told what they can and cannot buy/own/trade.

And how should that be enforced, by a trusty prestigious inspector general to come to mien house and be sure it is fit and proper arian household? Sir Not only must you guns be locked but you musent ever put the ditry dishes in the left sink they must be in the right sink or someone could get confused and hurtin! and vhy is your medicine in an unlocked cabinet! Sir you are coming with me!

 

[psilocybindude]

WTF dirty dishes go in the left side of the sink not the right side!

 

[mccumcumber]

Prohibition of guns won't reduce the amount of guns being produced. Just look what it did for pot and alcohol. There has to be a solid middle ground... I just don't know what it is.

 

[UncleBuck]

i like to imagine what the reaction would have been had obama campaigned on the idea of an unfunded, 18 billion dollar plan to put armed officials in every school in america.

just imagine the chorus of moans from righties about the debt and police state.

gun nuts are too fucking easy.

 

[NoDrama]

i like to imagine what the reaction would have been had obama campaigned on the idea of an unfunded, 18 billion dollar plan to put armed officials in every school in america.

just imagine the chorus of moans from righties about the debt and police state.

gun nuts are too fucking easy.

Its just the NRA, they don't really represent every gun enthusiast.

 

[UncleBuck]

Its just the NRA, they don't really represent every gun enthusiast.

i'm sure others beyond the NRA believe in this same nutty shit.

i wonder why we didn't hear the fox news folks ask why the polling station guy in philly was only packing a billy club instead of an AR 15.

 

[Beefbisquit]

And how should that be enforced, by a trusty prestigious inspector general to come to mien house and be sure it is fit and proper arian household? Sir Not only must you guns be locked but you musent ever put the ditry dishes in the left sink they must be in the right sink or someone could get confused and hurtin! and vhy is your medicine in an unlocked cabinet! Sir you are coming with me!

Reductio ad absurdum, or reduction to absurdity. ^^^


No one is advocating inspectors either. Most law abiding citizens don't need an inspector to follow the law. Some people will ignore it, and some people will be prosecuted because of it.

Most people wear seatbelts, some don't, even though police might be able to catch a glimpse of them driving a car illegally. Those people usually get tickets.

Likewise, most people would run to the store to get a $10 pack of 6 trigger locks and put them on their firearms. Those who didn't would risk being charged if the police or fire dept ever had to visit your house and found them. If you're transporting weapons and you get pulled over at a check stop and they somehow find out you are transporting them improperly stored, you would be charged.

The risk of being charged is enough to stop most people from improperly storing and transporting firearms.