Does "unconditional love" exist?

[Padawanbater2]

Do you love anyone who could do literally anything to you or to someone else and you'd still love them the same?

If your brother was a serial killer, your uncle was an active pedophile, your grandma cooked meth and sold it it kindergartners.. would you still love them unconditionally?

 

[Hepheastus420]

Dude, no.. Just no..

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

yes of course id still love my daughter no matter what she did , most of the bad things people do are caused by psychological problems .

 

[Hepheastus420]

yes of course id still love my daughter no matter what she did , most of the bad things people do are caused by psychological problems .

Even if she enjoyed killing little kids?

 

[Silicity]

omg have you seen dexter? 9/10 for me, and yes unconditional love is possible, dexter has a good twist on this topic, his sister (step) is in love with him but hes a serial killer yada yada yada.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Even if she enjoyed killing little kids?

Wait.. Maybe it does actually. Not fair of me to keep saying "even if he/she did this... " Because maybe somebody doesn't do anything wrong. In that case, yeah, I guess somebody could love them unconditionaly.

Same with your post pad.. Not fair of you to toss out scenarios where the choice would obviously show uncoditional love doesn't exist for that person.

Shit, beer me.

Uhh.. in other words, it can exist with the right person.. You know, somebody that doesn't hang cats for fun.

 

[UncleBuck]

just listened to a good discussion on this a couple weeks ago.

When somebody loves me unconditionally, doesn’t that mean they don’t care who I am or what I do and they are blind to my particularity? But isn’t love about delighting in the particularity of the other?But maybe that’s being too quick to dismiss. I mean just because you love somebody unconditionally, doesn’t mean you don’t care about what they are or what they do. Presumably, if you love them, you want them to be their best self. You might even hope and believe that your love will help them become that. The “unconditional” part of unconditional love just means that you won’t withdraw love when things go badly.

Still it seems to me that bad behavior on the part of the beloved has to have consequences or else the lover becomes a mere patsy. Think of battered women who won’t give up on their abusive partners. That is not a model of “unconditional” love, that’s a model of person with a damaged sense of self-worth who is, perhaps, in a state denial, Even when it is unconditional, genuine love doesn’t just involve passive acceptance and blind forgiveness. Unconditional love can be tough and demanding. When our children do bad things, we punish them. We give them stern messages. But we still love them. In fact, we punish them because we love them.

only an excerpt. the rest is here: http://philosophytalk.org/blog/2012/12/unconditional-love

 

[Hepheastus420]

just listened to a good discussion on this a couple weeks ago.

When somebody loves me unconditionally, doesn’t that mean they don’t care who I am or what I do and they are blind to my particularity?

Well you can't automatically unconditionally love somebody. You love them because you know them.

So it means they DO care who they are and what they do.

 

[Padawanbater2]

This is a tricky subject for me, I reason it toward the person I love the most.

If they committed something, something abhorrent to my senses.. Killed or raped kids, stole from me, fucked my girlfriend, etc.. I honestly don't know how I'd react. I'd imagine, after the shock, I'd go through a stage of "how could they do that?", which would destroy the respect barrier, the protection barrier, the honor, loyalty, "I can come to this person for whatever, whenever" barrier. It would all be gone in a moment and I'd never even think to repair it, I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't hope to.. If someone I've loved my entire life up until this point could do that to me, what would the future matter at all?

It would take another lifetime to repair the damage, something that's not possible at this point. IMO, that person would be out of my life for good..

So I guess my answer is (and I should have made a poll, FUCK!), no, unconditional love does not exist.

 

[Silicity]

it takes 2 to tango, same with unconditional love, it cant be a 1lane highway or its not gonna work.

 

[Padawanbater2]

it takes 2 to tango, same with unconditional love, it cant be a 1lane highway or its not gonna work.

Can I love you just as much as you love me while chopping up teenagers in my freezer? Would you love me the same if you found out?

(Hey, I didn't chop YOU​ up!)

 

[Silicity]

its all circumstantial, imagine you are friends with a girl since you were in elementary school, you grow up as friends and have always remained just friends even into your 30s or so on and youd never let anything happen to said other but deep down your a monster that thinks the world wouldnt accept them for what they are, well in alot of cases (real stories ive read) alot of people with personalities as such tend to never actually date or anything during their younger years but as they got older they realized that its the love of their life, ive met people in such situations, well alot of these people actually love the significant other and the relationship isnt just a title, some if not alot of these people will put it all aside for the person they love, true love is unconditional and very few actually experience it.

 

[Hepheastus420]

Can I love you just as much as you love me while chopping up teenagers in my freezer? Would you love me the same if you found out?

(Hey, I didn't chop YOU​ up!)

Of course he wouldn't. But if he knew you didn't do those things, then yeah, he could love you.

Man, I must not be explaining myself right. I blame the beer

 

[Silicity]

Can I love you just as much as you love me while chopping up teenagers in my freezer? Would you love me the same if you found out?

(Hey, I didn't chop YOU​ up!)

it all depends on the persons personality, me personally i could let almost anything go even to murderers,rapists, phedophiles.... none of it matters to me because as humans and we are diverse i understand that nobody has the same chemical make up and everyones feelings are different. if a phedophile molested a child cause they wanted to i tend to not look at that i look at there personality which they had never been given a choice to create themselves cause of how much influence the world plays on us, if you believe in god and that everything is predetermined and god is all knowing then why would there be sins and such? of all people religious people should be the most understanding but theyre not. i cant explain this enougn to make sense to most people as it normally just offends everyone but at the end of the day nobodies good and nobodies evil, something that doesnt need explanation.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

Of course he wouldn't. But if he knew you didn't do those things, then yeah, he could love you.

Man, I must not be explaining myself right. I blame the beer

you are developing an alcohol problem , believe me its not a road you want to travel down heph .

 

[Hepheastus420]

you are developing an alcohol problem , believe me its not a road you want to travel down heph .

LOL I've been off the past three days. Come on, it's the holiday season

 

[Padawanbater2]

it all depends on the persons personality, me personally i could let almost anything go even to murderers,rapists, phedophiles.... none of it matters to me because as humans and we are diverse i understand that nobody has the same chemical make up and everyones feelings are different. if a phedophile molested a child cause they wanted to i tend to not look at that i look at there personality which they had never been given a choice to create themselves cause of how much influence the world plays on us, if you believe in god and that everything is predetermined and god is all knowing then why would there be sins and such? of all people religious people should be the most understanding but theyre not. i cant explain this enougn to make sense to most people as it normally just offends everyone but at the end of the day nobodies good and nobodies evil, something that doesnt need explanation.

Do you believe it's not evil to sexually abuse an underage kid? Again, no judgments, just wondering an honest answer

 

[slowbus]

it all depends on the persons personality, me personally i could let almost anything go even to murderers,rapists, phedophiles.... none of it matters to me because as humans and we are diverse i understand that nobody has the same chemical make up and everyones feelings are different. if a phedophile molested a child cause they wanted to i tend to not look at that i look at there personality which they had never been given a choice to create themselves cause of how much influence the world plays on us, if you believe in god and that everything is predetermined and god is all knowing then why would there be sins and such? of all people religious people should be the most understanding but theyre not. i cant explain this enougn to make sense to most people as it normally just offends everyone but at the end of the day nobodies good and nobodies evil, something that doesnt need explanation.

some things you must never let go.I have an Inmate Mentality when it comes to some types of people.You gotta judge sometimes

 

[sunni]

Do you love anyone who could do literally anything to you or to someone else and you'd still love them the same?

If your brother was a serial killer, your uncle was an active pedophile, your grandma cooked meth and sold it it kindergartners.. would you still love them unconditionally?

actually my uncle is a pedophile. no joke. never met the guy though

 

[xKuroiTaimax]

Hate the sin, not the sinner even if it's hard. Most of you don't believe in god, but If you find unconditional love hard to comprehend, like the concept of God, it comes as no surprise that God is capable of such; we're abhorrent creatures as a whole... Surprised we get away with as much as we do....

Christians believe they should try and be like god/Jesus and sometimes people just need your love to change (I get inbox confessions/apologies/people wanting to turn over a new leaf a lot because I decided to show love instead of retaliate) failing that, if all the love of earthly people and reformation programs doesn't work, then they need jesus lol

Jesus believes in tough love too, mind you... God is love but some people in the bible have had to go through some shit to change... Don't think unconditional love earns giving serial killer rapists a pat on the back and saying 'it's ok'!

I don't want to start a religios debate but that's just my $0.02 Should probably be in your section though PadPad x