Bluecheesehead
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Any ideas on quick sativas guys, was thinking seedism applejack, i recently smoked this of a friend and it was very tasty the least only nine week flower. Any other ideas ?
Need a quick sativa dom
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hazey grapes
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i tell you, i love me some 9 week jack's cleaner 2 & sweet haze!
JC2 has some stone to it, but more of a happy warm body thump than a KO stone. mind you, i DESPISE stoner bud and even skunk #1 & blueberry bore me. it also has great euphoria, but the special part is that it has a touchy feely effect that ,makes you want to massage yourself which feels so good with the warm body stone and i laughed my ass off on it once i realized the imaginary ripples of invisible color emanating from my arms and chest was an actual visual effect unlike anything i'd experienced since columbian gold in the 80s. i don't hate stones so much now as that one is complex and functional with plenty of fun effects. TGA's jack the ripper should be more energetic and trippier, but the name rubs me the wrong way. it too finishes in 9 weeks.
sweet haze is stretchy, but awesome for a 9 week strain. it's way fruitier than any of half a dozen hazes i've tried so far, stickier, and actually a little trippy too. it's not as trippy as gold, but for a 9 week strain i'd love to fill an entire SCROG screen with, it's ass kicking good!
although it takes 12 weeks, you should think of trying high quality seed's haze x skunk. it's the most potent non-stony strain i've ever blazed! it's stronger than gold even! gold turned stony after a day of wake and bake and would degrade to nothing but stone after a month forcing a week or two vacation to restore tolerance where haze skunk has no limits and never gets worse than lead eye. it has a fair amount of trippiness too, but not as much as gold. i think it's every bit as good, just different. the fact it never grows old alone is a winner besides the extra potency and resin. the buzz is very long lasting and builds up in your system for a mild 24/7 permabuzz. not a fan of the cheesy cigar wrapper flavor, but some hazes do that, and it's not as vile as catpiss, diesel or even lavender and durban. if you SCROGged it, i bet you could get nice yields as it makes a single bud every couple inches! it makes a lot of bud and if they all think they're top colas, i bet you could yield like crazy in a packed screen. i'll be scrogging it in a bit myself to report on it. for $28, it's a bargain and worth the wait.
sannies jack f7, jack hammer & killing fields are top quality "slower" strains too and i'm eager to try DNA's cannalope haze as EVERYTHING i've tried by them so far has been way above average besides sweet haze. their sour cream smokes like skunk #1 & blueberry, but is off the charts fucking delicious and one of my top 5 flavors and their lemon skunk is what skunk #1 should be, but isn't... namely functional and even a little motivational with a nice euphoric buzz, superior lemongrass flavor and a really cool "golden glow" that's perfect for the flavor. their gear has attention to every detail unlike, say, a nothing but harsh smoking bland tasting white strain that's all about pretty pictures and potency.
i'd also suggest buying a pack of holy smokes' malawi gold at attitude as THAT shit should be totally old school and co-operated much more than fussy bitch highland thai. i had to cut it down early when it got burned by my light, but the early bud was already awesome if not quite trippy yet. it's cheap and you can get 2x regs each of more malawi, mulanje gold & mozambique poison too as they're back on that promotion again. mozambique (similar to durban) isn't my favorite flavor (anise/basil, where durban is more on the licorice side of anise) but it is very distinctive and authentic. that's be a great cheap way to test some other sativas in your grow on the cheap.
they still haven't posted their newsletter offer at attitude, but you might be able to score even more sativa doms there the 1st 3 day weekend of january between that and the regular UFO freebies, and don't forget the 420 coupon code for 15%, i think, off your order if you shop there. even though i hated the taste of onyx, it had an awesome buzz, and the lemon skunk, and super cali haze freebies i got on various orders were great too.
hope that helps
JC2 has some stone to it, but more of a happy warm body thump than a KO stone. mind you, i DESPISE stoner bud and even skunk #1 & blueberry bore me. it also has great euphoria, but the special part is that it has a touchy feely effect that ,makes you want to massage yourself which feels so good with the warm body stone and i laughed my ass off on it once i realized the imaginary ripples of invisible color emanating from my arms and chest was an actual visual effect unlike anything i'd experienced since columbian gold in the 80s. i don't hate stones so much now as that one is complex and functional with plenty of fun effects. TGA's jack the ripper should be more energetic and trippier, but the name rubs me the wrong way. it too finishes in 9 weeks.
sweet haze is stretchy, but awesome for a 9 week strain. it's way fruitier than any of half a dozen hazes i've tried so far, stickier, and actually a little trippy too. it's not as trippy as gold, but for a 9 week strain i'd love to fill an entire SCROG screen with, it's ass kicking good!
although it takes 12 weeks, you should think of trying high quality seed's haze x skunk. it's the most potent non-stony strain i've ever blazed! it's stronger than gold even! gold turned stony after a day of wake and bake and would degrade to nothing but stone after a month forcing a week or two vacation to restore tolerance where haze skunk has no limits and never gets worse than lead eye. it has a fair amount of trippiness too, but not as much as gold. i think it's every bit as good, just different. the fact it never grows old alone is a winner besides the extra potency and resin. the buzz is very long lasting and builds up in your system for a mild 24/7 permabuzz. not a fan of the cheesy cigar wrapper flavor, but some hazes do that, and it's not as vile as catpiss, diesel or even lavender and durban. if you SCROGged it, i bet you could get nice yields as it makes a single bud every couple inches! it makes a lot of bud and if they all think they're top colas, i bet you could yield like crazy in a packed screen. i'll be scrogging it in a bit myself to report on it. for $28, it's a bargain and worth the wait.
sannies jack f7, jack hammer & killing fields are top quality "slower" strains too and i'm eager to try DNA's cannalope haze as EVERYTHING i've tried by them so far has been way above average besides sweet haze. their sour cream smokes like skunk #1 & blueberry, but is off the charts fucking delicious and one of my top 5 flavors and their lemon skunk is what skunk #1 should be, but isn't... namely functional and even a little motivational with a nice euphoric buzz, superior lemongrass flavor and a really cool "golden glow" that's perfect for the flavor. their gear has attention to every detail unlike, say, a nothing but harsh smoking bland tasting white strain that's all about pretty pictures and potency.
i'd also suggest buying a pack of holy smokes' malawi gold at attitude as THAT shit should be totally old school and co-operated much more than fussy bitch highland thai. i had to cut it down early when it got burned by my light, but the early bud was already awesome if not quite trippy yet. it's cheap and you can get 2x regs each of more malawi, mulanje gold & mozambique poison too as they're back on that promotion again. mozambique (similar to durban) isn't my favorite flavor (anise/basil, where durban is more on the licorice side of anise) but it is very distinctive and authentic. that's be a great cheap way to test some other sativas in your grow on the cheap.
they still haven't posted their newsletter offer at attitude, but you might be able to score even more sativa doms there the 1st 3 day weekend of january between that and the regular UFO freebies, and don't forget the 420 coupon code for 15%, i think, off your order if you shop there. even though i hated the taste of onyx, it had an awesome buzz, and the lemon skunk, and super cali haze freebies i got on various orders were great too.
hope that helps
polyarcturus
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thats a oxymoron, any sativa dom is gonna take longer than and indica or a sat hybrid with more indica traits, but if you do find a sat dom that finishs quick it will prbably have some other indica traits, a good example of this is bluecheese, its a sat dom, and finishes shorter than a fill sativa, but its got a deep indica high.
hazey grapes
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when i say "sativa dom", i mean bud that SMOKES more like a sativa than another boojie fucking cash crapper afgani dominant. i get where the OP is coming from totally... they're on the same "indoor thai" mission i've been on since about 1987. they just wanna get high with an indoor practical strain, and get enough weight so they don't run out of bud after a month.
with that said, where were you when some fool started talking crap to me that size and flowering time DON'T have anything to do with the higher quality you get the more sativa dominant a strain is? the best stuff STILL is the most fussiest and so far, no amount of selective breeding has ever produced a cash crapping strain with a 100% sativa quality buzz. you want that last 20% of quality, you've gotta give some love back to the gift, but there are some pretty great hybrids out there that more people should be growing. jack herer should be THE "diesel/OG kush/blueberry" on the streets.
with that said, where were you when some fool started talking crap to me that size and flowering time DON'T have anything to do with the higher quality you get the more sativa dominant a strain is? the best stuff STILL is the most fussiest and so far, no amount of selective breeding has ever produced a cash crapping strain with a 100% sativa quality buzz. you want that last 20% of quality, you've gotta give some love back to the gift, but there are some pretty great hybrids out there that more people should be growing. jack herer should be THE "diesel/OG kush/blueberry" on the streets.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
check out c99.. finishes in about 55 days or so..
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
C99 is a "poor man's kali mist" that doesn't take 17 weeks plus, though i've only smoked joey weed's fruity pheno version with the "textbook" clear headed motivational high and not mosca's potent pineapple version that has stony and trippy phenos. JW's version finished in just 45-50 days. apollo 11 is mellower and trippier and finishes in 55 days too. i'd go for apollo before cindy, unless you're looking for a motivational work strain.
these days though, for a "cash cropping haze", i'm really loving john sinclair's sativa trans-love after scoring an awesome freebie of that. it has a little more psychoactivity than JW's cindy along the lines of a generic haze with a similar mildly friuty flavor, but let me tell you, it left EVERYTHING but my autoflowering masterkush in the dust for budding! it's a compact strain that makes buds like no other sativa dom i've grown yet. jack's cleaner 2, haze x skunk, sweet haze & even 8 miles high have better buzzes with more trippiness, but not even C99bx can keep up with STL once you flip it, and it can have a very compact growth habit, though one member here claims to have gotten a stretchy pheno.
as a snob, i'd call STL's buzz generic (mind you NOT compared to any cash crapper schwag, but strains that actually get you high, so it's already way above the actual average there) but it's speed of bud production had me short strokin'. my freebie's pheno had an odd silicone fishing lure note to it's low odor in early flowering. it's THE strain i'd use to speed up and shrink landraces with without watering the buzz down with stony afhganicrap, or for cash crapping something that actually gets you high. it's buzz competes with slower and taller strains easily.
these days though, for a "cash cropping haze", i'm really loving john sinclair's sativa trans-love after scoring an awesome freebie of that. it has a little more psychoactivity than JW's cindy along the lines of a generic haze with a similar mildly friuty flavor, but let me tell you, it left EVERYTHING but my autoflowering masterkush in the dust for budding! it's a compact strain that makes buds like no other sativa dom i've grown yet. jack's cleaner 2, haze x skunk, sweet haze & even 8 miles high have better buzzes with more trippiness, but not even C99bx can keep up with STL once you flip it, and it can have a very compact growth habit, though one member here claims to have gotten a stretchy pheno.
as a snob, i'd call STL's buzz generic (mind you NOT compared to any cash crapper schwag, but strains that actually get you high, so it's already way above the actual average there) but it's speed of bud production had me short strokin'. my freebie's pheno had an odd silicone fishing lure note to it's low odor in early flowering. it's THE strain i'd use to speed up and shrink landraces with without watering the buzz down with stony afhganicrap, or for cash crapping something that actually gets you high. it's buzz competes with slower and taller strains easily.
Jer La Mota
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Serious Seeds AK47
TGA Vortex, Agent Orange, 3D ..
SickMed Seeds Green crack
C99 from various breeders
Jordan of the Islands - Ambrosia
TGA Vortex, Agent Orange, 3D ..
SickMed Seeds Green crack
C99 from various breeders
Jordan of the Islands - Ambrosia
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
i really like the sounds of TGA's third dimension pina colada pheno, but am bothered by it's potential for hermies. JC2 is my current favorite strain though and to paraphrase what a member said to me that helped get me to try cleaner 2, "TGA's sativas smoke like real sativas and his indicas aren't watered down schwag either". some seem to hate on TGA for making f1 crosses and not stabilizing them, but to me, that's a plus as you get the hybrid vigor freebie, and the potential to BX and select from a wide variety of phenos from top quality parents. TGA subcool uses quality genetics including rare clone only strains as mothers. after trying JC2 myself, i see that the hype from so many is well deserved. many other breeders use inferior watered down genetics in comparison, or at least inbreed them to schwagginess. i like hybrid vigor... it's a free boost in quality.
Krondizzel
New Member
I can vouch for the c99, it is pretty quick. It's a smaller growing plant though, not due to the time, but more so the strain. I could never get em much above 3' tall at best.
polyarcturus
Well-Known Member
you need to be more clear with what your saying took me an hours to figure out what you meant, but he is right in some ways a lot of how a bud ends up depends on how it is grown you cna make indicas come out with a full head high and energetic but you will sacrifice a lot for the early harvest and you would have to have some expeerience with the strain to make this kind of endeavor worthwhile.
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
i thought i was clear. to both the OP, and myself, we think of sativas more as a buzz than a genetic pedigree. it's another way to say "get high"
oh man. some troll loser about lost their mind once when i named some STONY strains like LA confidential as "indoor sativas" because they're TRIPPY. afghani isn't trippy. to me, putting "indoor" in front of sativa is a clear indication you're talking about an hybrid. my mind works a little different than others'. i don't think in compartmentalized calculatus eliminatus at all, and get annoyed by artificial restrictions to cross referencing. i guess "open source" is a way to describe the way i view the world... and infinite number of shades of grey and not rigid categories.
wasn't trying to be confusing. the OP and i speak a similar generalizing language... that was my point.
Bluecheesehead
Active Member
Thanks bro , im looking forward to next grow even more now , im scroging out my 4x4 tent, 4 plants, 11 liter pots coco, jus need to decide on strain.
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
if you haven't grown your own yet, even a "generic haze" will make you happy as those walk all over almost anything you can buy on the streets. if any strains description sounds interesting, it's usually at least decent. every haze, jack and thai i've tried so far has at least been decent, but the generic ones just don't have much in the way of psychoactivity and are just clear headed motivational euphoric highs. trippier strains though amp up your senses so foods taste better, colors can look more intense, movies can seem more real, music more meaningful and real and so on.
whatever strains you go with, share your experiences with the rest of us, especially smoke reports and comparisons. i'm stiil looking for better strains and new breeders to try myself and never tire of smoke reports on strains that get you high. if you want that experience sadly, you just gotta do it yourself. there are people growing and even selling stuff like jackj herer, super silver haze and apollo 11 etc., but the shit never goes far as everyone grabs the good stuff up. i've met two different peeps that had access to really nice gear, but BOTH of them were dickheads about making connections to it and my sister's former BF that tossed me a gram each of kali mist and durban poison wouldn't hook me up either even when i offered $120 for a fucking eigth of kali!
when you do it yourself, you'll get as much quality as you're willing to invest yourself into your grow. best quality means longer waits and lower yields, but an almost "free" trick for better quality, especially for sativas and doms is to use halides instead of sodiums. sodiums are one trick ponies for yield, but the fuller spectrum of halides is better for terpene (flavor) expression and sativas prefer halide. that's why there's a "metal (halide) haze" and DJ shorts himself suggests them. all the way back to the 80s, master cervantes was suggesting halides for quality which is why my 1st lamp was one and my super cali haze freebie tasted like grapes where some cash crapping troll who grew his under sodium probably got the same generic fruity flavor i got out of my SCH x C99 (fruity booty) grown under the 2nd light i bought with a sodium bulb. you'll get lower yields still, but higher quality. once i get enough headstash from hybrids, i'll start trying the pain in the ass gear for top quality myself. not much of it will hit the streets, but what does will be free.
whatever strains you go with, share your experiences with the rest of us, especially smoke reports and comparisons. i'm stiil looking for better strains and new breeders to try myself and never tire of smoke reports on strains that get you high. if you want that experience sadly, you just gotta do it yourself. there are people growing and even selling stuff like jackj herer, super silver haze and apollo 11 etc., but the shit never goes far as everyone grabs the good stuff up. i've met two different peeps that had access to really nice gear, but BOTH of them were dickheads about making connections to it and my sister's former BF that tossed me a gram each of kali mist and durban poison wouldn't hook me up either even when i offered $120 for a fucking eigth of kali!
when you do it yourself, you'll get as much quality as you're willing to invest yourself into your grow. best quality means longer waits and lower yields, but an almost "free" trick for better quality, especially for sativas and doms is to use halides instead of sodiums. sodiums are one trick ponies for yield, but the fuller spectrum of halides is better for terpene (flavor) expression and sativas prefer halide. that's why there's a "metal (halide) haze" and DJ shorts himself suggests them. all the way back to the 80s, master cervantes was suggesting halides for quality which is why my 1st lamp was one and my super cali haze freebie tasted like grapes where some cash crapping troll who grew his under sodium probably got the same generic fruity flavor i got out of my SCH x C99 (fruity booty) grown under the 2nd light i bought with a sodium bulb. you'll get lower yields still, but higher quality. once i get enough headstash from hybrids, i'll start trying the pain in the ass gear for top quality myself. not much of it will hit the streets, but what does will be free.
hazey grapes
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i've seen big buddha mentioned a couple of times as a legit breeder.
i haver no clue how good dinafem's super critical haze is, but the JYD haze used to make it is supposed to be really good. another breeder used it in some cross too.
i still want to try TGA subcool's third dimension as apollo 11 (A13 is a different pheno of A11 i think) and especially jack the ripper, under a non-violent name are two strains i'd really like to try, so a hybrid of the two that has a pina colada pheno soiunds worth trying, especially as it's buzz sounds more energetic and old school than JC2. if i did try it, i hope i don't get any hermies. apollo 11 is one of the fastest finishing strains with a trippy buzz, especially the genius pheno. it keeps going extinct though. joey weed's gone and bodhi's entire line is out of commission still i think. it doesn't help that only a few of us go out of our way to grow lower yielding higher quality gear while cash crappers keep perpetuating same old same old stony schwag, just in new colors and flavors.
i always used to dream of having a few pounds of thai to just give to everyone i meet to remind them what they're missing out on so they too develop the spine top tell cash crappers to go fuck themselves like i have a couple dozen dealers by now.
i haver no clue how good dinafem's super critical haze is, but the JYD haze used to make it is supposed to be really good. another breeder used it in some cross too.
i still want to try TGA subcool's third dimension as apollo 11 (A13 is a different pheno of A11 i think) and especially jack the ripper, under a non-violent name are two strains i'd really like to try, so a hybrid of the two that has a pina colada pheno soiunds worth trying, especially as it's buzz sounds more energetic and old school than JC2. if i did try it, i hope i don't get any hermies. apollo 11 is one of the fastest finishing strains with a trippy buzz, especially the genius pheno. it keeps going extinct though. joey weed's gone and bodhi's entire line is out of commission still i think. it doesn't help that only a few of us go out of our way to grow lower yielding higher quality gear while cash crappers keep perpetuating same old same old stony schwag, just in new colors and flavors.
i always used to dream of having a few pounds of thai to just give to everyone i meet to remind them what they're missing out on so they too develop the spine top tell cash crappers to go fuck themselves like i have a couple dozen dealers by now.
Bluecheesehead
Active Member
I will be doing a weekly journal on my next grow, happy to have you guys join in, really stuck on deciding on strain, fuked up my harvest on 2 nd grpw due to shit genetics i chose, can not afford to be making that mistake this time round, jus need a fast haze that im goin to be happy with allround, im not SO fussy lol aslpng as its dank bro. Preferably morning smoke. Thanks guys.
Over the last 2 months I have given away about 50 samples of an old school Thai kickback. If you would spend 1/10th the time growing that you do telling people about growing you actually WOULD be able to give away bud and not just talk about it.
ru4r34l
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For a great fast finishing Sativa dom try Dinafem's Moby Dick 
. I had the chance to smoke some of this earlier this year and it was great smoke and the high was a half-day high! almost left me stranded at work to messed up to drive, ALMOST 
I have one in my perpetual and it went into flower at about 15" - 16", now it's almost 6'. It looks like it will finish ~10 weeks so I wont be keeping it for perpetual; but damn the buds are massive allready at 4 weeks of flower.
regards,
. I had the chance to smoke some of this earlier this year and it was great smoke and the high was a half-day high! almost left me stranded at work to messed up to drive, ALMOST I have one in my perpetual and it went into flower at about 15" - 16", now it's almost 6'.
It looks like it will finish ~10 weeks so I wont be keeping it for perpetual; but damn the buds are massive allready at 4 weeks of flower.regards,