I think he as making a joke as drop bears don't exist. At least I think they are about as real as a sasquatch. But weapons like this are unnecessary, It is just hard to give a little because who knows what the next ban will be after a kid shoots up something with a shotgun or revolver, would we give those up too?
California gun sales soar, gun deaths plummet, "common sense" absent
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UncleBuck
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i understand the paranoia, it's still just paranoia.
kelly4
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Like the paranoia that every AR rifle is just a baby killer in waiting?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
i don't have that concern, i just don't think it has any business as a civilian firearm.
budlover13
King Tut
Semi-auto, 10 round capacity, and that pesky bullet button. Why not?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It sure doesn't have any business as a police weapon in that case. cn
UncleBuck
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might as well say the military doesn't have any business wielding it. false equivalence.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I distinguish between military and police. The police are at their core a civilian agency. They have absolutely no business having more armament that the citizen. That is why I respect (without liking) Britain's approach. They don't arm their everyday cops. cn
berad4guvna
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Uncle Buck, Don't every use Wikipedia as a source for you argument! Debating 101. Its self editable. I've read the entire forum you are the only on hear being a gun Nazi. Don't you think you've made your point/ points?yeah, i just went to wiki and brushed up. can't find anything about execution style, but it's no matter to me. i did see that connecticut's gun laws were a good deterrent to him getting a gun, so he just took his mom's unsecured guns.
hey cannabineer, care to tell me why any civilian would need one of these?
Take all the guns you want away Buck. kids will just build bombs or throw dynamite.
"On the morning of April 19, 1995, an ex-Army soldier and security guard named Timothy McVeigh parked a rented Ryder truck in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City. He was about to commit mass murder.
Inside the vehicle was a powerful bomb made out of a deadly cocktail of agricultural fertilizer, diesel fuel, and other chemicals. McVeigh got out, locked the door, and headed towards his getaway car. He ignited one timed fuse, then another.
"At precisely 9:02 a.m., the bomb exploded.
Within moments, the surrounding area looked like a war zone. A third of the building had been reduced to rubble, with many floors flattened like pancakes. Dozens of cars were incinerated and more than 300 nearby buildings were damaged or destroyed.
The human toll was still more devastating: 168 souls lost, including 19 children, with several hundred more injured"
Note: Buck. all the shit used to build this bomb is still very legal for you or I to purchase. O, and look a his kill count 168.
You want to ban racing fuel, and cleaning products or fertilizer? What? How would you grow those beautiful girls that everyone on this site medicate with?
One last thing Buck. hear is the link I got my info from. Notice FBI or .gov in the link. This would be considered a reliable source for a proper debate.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing
The ~ Guvna
canndo
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That cannot be said. If there are more guns than 0, then more guns cause more gun deaths.
Doer
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It is just not for you or any person to say. It is about the right to bare arms. Not even to leave them at home. We have the right to carry firearms.so are you defending yourself against a platoon of germans or hunting several dozen deer at once?
if you think that you're going to have luck against the full might and force of the united states with that thing, i'd say you're misusing it.
some heavily armed people tried that once, it didn't work out so well.
You need to look more closely at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Both were about the Right to keep, not about insurrection. Both were brutal, un-necessary killings.
The ATF had Koresh in their hands several times and they also had Randy Weaver. In both cases, they wanted them to rat, to be informants.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Zero is an unattainable number. There are maybe twenty million unregistered guns in Germany these days. France isn't far behind. It seems many in both nations learned a hard lesson about the folly of gun bans within living memory.
In the USA, DD's assertion does seem to have some traction. It's worth considering what it means when a derestriction leads to less crimes.
ceterum censeo Prohibition is never acceptable policy. cn
http://www.examiner.com/article/those-peaceful-europeans-own-more-guns-than-you-think
desert dude
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The claim, made over and over, is that looser gun laws and greater availability of guns would result in more gun deaths, shootings, blood flowing in the streets, etc.
To put concrete, but fictitious numbers to it let's assume that to start, at year one, there are 10,000 guns in private hands and there are 1,000 murders per year. Gun laws are "liberalized" and in year 10 there are 100,000 guns in private hands but the murder rate has dropped to 850. The claim has been disproved, i.e. greater availability of guns does not correlate to increased gun deaths. The actual numbers in the US are different from the made-up numbers I used, because I am too lazy to look up the actuals. The example does reflect the actual results though.
Find a different boogeyman, Canndo. This one is not scary.
Doer
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Put bluntly, if every asshole has a gun, then all us assholes will know that. It is a more polite society, like with the Czech. In a nation, true to the 2nd A, all would be taught the way of self reliance and self defense along with non-violent resolution of conflict through soft martial training from a young age. Judo instead of 'tumbling."
Still, we are a Nation of total-a-holes, imo, make no mistake. That is why we protect the Sea Lanes, etc. It's not that we are "lay down and take it" a failure, a borrower, in Debt. We have a self interest in not having to come over there when it goes sideways. We keep it all moving forward. And we "borrow" the money from the client nations to do all that. So what?
Who else? All this Theory. I'm for Real..there is no left of that, or right, btw. No alignment, no theory, no Agenda.
The Agenda just doesn't like that. Law and Lawyers, Guns and Money. God Bless the USA.
Still, we are a Nation of total-a-holes, imo, make no mistake. That is why we protect the Sea Lanes, etc. It's not that we are "lay down and take it" a failure, a borrower, in Debt. We have a self interest in not having to come over there when it goes sideways. We keep it all moving forward. And we "borrow" the money from the client nations to do all that. So what?
Who else? All this Theory. I'm for Real..there is no left of that, or right, btw. No alignment, no theory, no Agenda.
The Agenda just doesn't like that. Law and Lawyers, Guns and Money. God Bless the USA.
UncleBuck
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wow, did you fall out of a retard tree and smash your face on every branch along the way? the grammar in this sentence makes me want to go sacrifice a cat to the grammar gods with the hope that you can clumsily labor your way through a sentence without such embarrassing errors.
that must explain all the school bombings and theater dynamitings we've seen.
no one ever blows themselves up building a bomb and they are readily available like guns now, aren't they?
by the way, i've read wikipedia articles that cite fbi.gov, just like you did. what does that mean?
edit: you edited that?
that only makes it funnier now.Last edited by berad4guvna; 01-02-2013 at 01:23 AM. Reason: to add a r.
berad4guvna
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Ya, Unclebuck is it about grammar or guns "it was frikin 1:00 am in the morning you got the point right?" So when addressing Dismal F()CK's like you I'll be sure that the grammar is spot on. Please do tell us were did you get you literary degree from? And no I didn't go to wiki/unclebuck/shit/his/pants/again.com. Unlike you UncleWiki I did some proper research. You were give the link. Looking back look at your grammar you heard of capital letters?wow, did you fall out of a retard tree and smash your face on every branch along the way? the grammar in this sentence makes me want to go sacrifice a cat to the grammar gods with the hope that you can clumsily labor your way through a sentence without such embarrassing errors.
that must explain all the school bombings and theater dynamitings we've seen.
no one ever blows themselves up building a bomb and they are readily available like guns now, aren't they?
by the way, i've read wikipedia articles that cite fbi.gov, just like you did. what does that mean?
edit: you edited that?
Last edited by berad4guvna; 01-02-2013 at 01:23 AM. Reason: to add a r.
You have been sputtering and spouting the same stuff in this thread, go get laid man! How can anyone be as dismal as you and smoke pot?
If someone was hurting one of your loved ones, and all you had was an AR-15 to protect them you wouldn't use the rifle?
Maybe we should ban planes UncleBuck because of 9-11.
UncleBuck
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i am going to start a petition to ban planes and get myself laid, that's so fucking logical it hurts.
just got to clean up my shitty pants first.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Never apostrophize a plural. ~giggling, ducking~ cn
berad4guvna
Well-Known Member
hahahahahah. Man, I can take a hit good one!