cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Abandon, there's a third option, "engineer". She has 47% too much bra. In any case, I hope the "cup" is empty; that's the important <cough!> bit. cn
Time to reject the Malthusian notion that our lives must be justified by drudgery.
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cannabineer
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I could imagine/hope that a combination of technical improvement and a worldwide ethos of controlling our numbers peaceably might work. But as AC has correctly identified, i am a pessimist. And since I fear the climate change thing might very well be locked, loaded and aimed ... I am even more of a pessimist. Pulling off the peaceful option will require economic continuity, and I see that as to be fervently wanted but not something anyone can guarantee.
Somewhat dissenting opinion on genocide. I think that is a term used specifically for the act or intent of wiping out an entire people. Many wars have been fought, but remarkably few have had genocide as the main theme. I think the word for the African situation is "internecine", which is fully descriptive without the ideological restriction. Rwanda was supposed to be genocidal but degenerated into the internecine. cn
abandonconflict
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Fear is said to be the same pathos as hatred.
Canna Sylvan
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Looks like she'd barely fit a training bra.
"Her name is Robert Paulson," Fight Club.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
And yet they remain distinct. You can do one, the other, both, none. cn
abandonconflict
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You seem to have a penchant for presenting your opinions as fact today.
abandonconflict
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Is this not fact? You can hate without fear. You can fear without hate. This is more than just opinion ... imo. cn
Canna Sylvan
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You just shot yourself in the foot.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It was deliberate ... I love recursive humor and won't hesitate to make me the butt of me. cn
abandonconflict
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It was a snipe at Machiavelli. You mentioned him before to my disdain so I was alluding to his view on hatred and fear. Sometimes my sense of humor is puzzling and clearly I'm the only one amused at the approach, but to answer your question, no, it is not a fact. According to Machiavelli however they were actually the same. I disagree though, and I see you do too.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I totally missed that association. Point: you. cn
chewberto
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The Culling has Been active since GMO, since war, since human behavior, since profit, since Feds, since time! only those educated enough to see the cause and avoid it will survive. I am ok with this.... Also my theory is that if a dominate force wishes to depopulate, then logically those whom can afford organic food, avoid "LEGAL" drugs pills, alcohol, tobacco and the like, will be the ones they wish to repopulate the planet......JMO
chewberto
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the ideal is that if you are smart enough to assume an occupation or generate the necessary funds to purchase organic foods and hygiene products, then you have the mental capacity to fulfill their desired society.... there are a lot of people out there that I cant comprehend their existence.......EXAMPLE...Finshaggy.....these people are a stain on the planet and maybe its time for a rapid exodus...according to the forces that be... not me.... Shomer shabbos @ Abandonallconflict
Doer
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You Mr. Victim, want to turn it all in to racism. It's called race baiting. Trolling for boo-hoo-hoo......\
Of course, you can't follow the counter argument. You are braiin-cocked with Agenda. And I see you are a bit light on History. Especially the Renaissance. It was over, basically, by the time of Malthus. And not so much glory, as I see it.
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The concept is a type of religion. More a fable, than real. Agenda. So, a Fable is jacked into racism by one guy?
Do you think I haven't been your age? Do you think I didn't swallow Agenda, hook, line and sinker? I've said as much. The reason nobody is Left of me, is because as soon as Agenda cooks up in the Agenda, you don't move Left, you move Right.... of me.
That's why you can't follow. And I knew you would burn Darwin on this. "First he voted for it and then against." Is that it? You are just repeating the rinse cycle of Agenda. As a old school, long time, Che-ist, I'll tell you.
To the Right marches Agenda. It is not, and has never been a population problem.
Malthus was talking about a resource problem. He was talking about a simple equation that can't be solved. Divergence. The house upon the sand, will never stand. Che knew this also. It is impossible to merely feed the peasants. That creates more problems, not solutions.
No, I will grant that the social Left Agenda, bastardized both Darwin and Malthus and coined Social Darwinism. But, if you are truly Left, you know that is Socialist Agenda. Opiate for the masses.
Canna Sylvan
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Is the point of this thread:
You can't own a person's labor. If you do, it's like a sex slave. A person has rights. There's no way to properly compensate their labor unless they're equal to percentage of the company like the owner. Otherwise the workers will always get exploited and their soul taken away. Blah blah blah?
You can't own a person's labor. If you do, it's like a sex slave. A person has rights. There's no way to properly compensate their labor unless they're equal to percentage of the company like the owner. Otherwise the workers will always get exploited and their soul taken away. Blah blah blah?
Doer
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So, OK, how are you doing that, Preacher Man?
abandonconflict
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TL;DR -- I quit reading at race baiting. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you aren't racist, but you embraced doctrines rooted in racism unknowingly. You revealed that you begrudge third world folks a meal because they will breed. Maybe you didn't realize it, maybe you thought it was ok because it is so wide spread. In any case, now you know about the underlying racism in our culture and since you have asked "what can you do about it preacher man?" I will answer, just know the truth, and do not begrudge a poor human a meal. Some charity would probably be nice, but only if you volunteer it, if you do not wish to ever give, don't.
abandonconflict
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No, the point is, you don't have to justify your existence.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
After doing some reading about Malthus, it appears he was very classist, but was he racist? Could that not have been a judgment appended by later generations in an effort to make his classism even worse?
When I learned about Malthus in school, the only topic was his math and not the bits of philosophy behind it. There was no discussion in or classrooms of his belief that charity to the poor was pointless and somehow cruel, nor was his belief that the problem lay in the specific fecundity of the poor classes. But racism? I suspect that this is now a popular concept because the pendulum of morality has swung to a point favoring compassion over maintaining social boundaries.
Consider this quote from Fred Engels:
"Fredrick Engels summed up Malthus’s ideas simply: “The earth is perennially overpopulated, whence poverty, misery, distress and immorality must prevail; that it is the lot, the eternal destiny of mankind, to exist in too great numbers, and therefore in diverse classes, of which some are rich, educated, and moral, and others more or less poor, distressed, ignorant and immoral.”
I see blatant classism, but where is the racism? Granted that then as now, most of the poor were nonwhite. But does this correlation have anything to do with causation? We know otherwise now; the different races are largely equal in intelligence, industry, and general fitness.
Now that I know of the classism, i am distancing myself from Malthus. But unless you can draw a compelling line from Malthus to racism ... and without descending into the excesses of the textual-analysis crowd (y'know, the sort who disbelieve in Einstein's relativity because it is phallocentric) I view it as our own generation's unnecessary overlay. cn