Time to reject the Malthusian notion that our lives must be justified by drudgery.

abandonconflict

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You were the one to say there is something we can do. What do YOU do? I freely admit I'm ignorant. Will you admit you do nothing about this? But, instead, temperate try to point out how ignorant we are, compared to you.

It's time to reject your label of druggery? OK, I DO. Then what? You brought this up. You claim it is a time of Action.

What? You preach. That isn't action.

I point out that hate is a noose. Come down from the Hate. It is a killer.
I don't have to justify myself to you. I do hate ignorance though, but that isn't a noose, I am trying to cure you of it.

Drudgery, not druggery, nice try at a distortion though, I see deception goes hand in hand with ignorance.
 

Doer

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I think that you are conflating "reason to exist" with "value added to society". They are different, and you cannot assail one as being the same as the other.

It also exposes you to the criticism that you are ultimately talking about dreams like a moneyless society, which is something nobody anywhere has been able to design or realize ... imo for the soundest of reasons. cn
Gene Roddenberry gave it a crack, but failed. In the end, one needs gold pressed Latnium, if one wishes to visit Rysia.
 

abandonconflict

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This idea that you love so much, that with out action, wisdom is useless, is basically, stop thinking and work.

I don't have to serve manually in order to contribute to a fallacious system, I serve it better by pointing out it's flaws.

It is time to reject the Malthusian notion that our lives must be justified by drudgery.

Without wisdom, action is useless.
 

Doer

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I don't have to justify myself to you. I do hate ignorance though, but that isn't a noose, I am trying to cure you of it.

Drudgery, not druggery, nice try at a distortion though, I see deception goes hand in hand with ignorance.
Just trying to understand, but I see now. Trolling. You can't defend your point and your hate shows through. I can't spell and I am as ignorant as you. But, will admit it. Not trying any deception, Mr. Paranoid. You want the fight.
So obvious.

You just like to pontificate, but, can't rise to the challenge. You think this is blog? You don't practice what you preach and so it's all deflection. (don't worry about me) Why preach? Perform action.

An unchallenged blog? You seem so mixed up and hate filled......well, to each his own.
 

abandonconflict

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I think that you are conflating "reason to exist" with "value added to society". They are different, and you cannot assail one as being the same as the other.

It also exposes you to the criticism that you are ultimately talking about dreams like a moneyless society, which is something nobody anywhere has been able to design or realize ... imo for the soundest of reasons. cn
Yet, food is begrudged to third world people because they might breed and sustenance of all sorts are begrudgingly extended to even us in the first world if we do not work. There is more than enough to go around and eradicate poverty, while ten times what it would cost to do so is wasted on military endeavors.
 

Doer

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This idea that you love so much, that with out action, wisdom is useless, is basically, stop thinking and work.

I don't have to serve manually in order to contribute to a fallacious system, I serve it better by pointing out it's flaws.

It is time to reject the Malthusian notion that our lives must be justified by drudgery.

Without wisdom, action is useless.
More talk. What actions?
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
Just trying understand, but I see now. Trolling. You can't defend your point and your hate shows through. I can't spell and I am as ignorant as you. But, will admit it. Not trying any deception, Mr. Paranoid.

You just like to pontificate, but, can't rise to the challenge. You think this is blog? You don't practice what you preach and so it's all deflection. (don't worry about me) Why preach? Perform action.

An unchallenged blog? You seem so mixed up and hate filled......well, to each his own.
You're the one trolling. You have utterly failed to find valid arguments against my conclusion and yet you still linger in the thread wasting my time. I doubt you even understand the topic, and yet you still comment. You have presented nothing but distortions and "hate, brother". I'm just giving you the courtesy of response, since I started the thread.
 

Doer

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"What do YOU do?" = "How is YOUR existence justified?"
Here's the thing. My existence is not justified and your is not verified. I'm with cn, the big farting elephant in the room is this idea of "justification." I am. Justification by you are anyone, is meaningless. That is it.

This thing you asked us to reject....OK, be gone! Get thee behind, me. It is a made up concept, like Satan.

This thing, the justification doesn't exist except in your crossed up way of looking at Life, right now.
 

abandonconflict

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Here's thing. My existence is not justified and your is not verified. I'm with cn, the big farting elephant in the room is this idea
of "justification." I am. Justification by you are anyone, is meaningless. That is it.
Nope, you still don't get it. I am arguing that justification for existence is intrinsic, no action necessary.

"your is not verified"

You really are just trolling and wasting my time.
 

Doer

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You're the one trolling. You have utterly failed to find valid arguments against my conclusion and yet you still linger in the thread wasting my time. I doubt you even understand the topic, and yet you still comment. You have presented nothing but distortions and "hate, brother". I'm just giving you the courtesy of response, since I started the thread.
Nice try. blogger. You won't silence me that way. You have discovered a concept, but it is made up. That's all. It doesn't matter if we accept or reject. Like Satan.
 

Doer

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Nope, you still don't get it. I am arguing that justification for existence is intrinsic, no action necessary.

"your is not verified"

You really are just trolling and wasting my time.
Don't respond. I'm sticky and I waste all your time, in my admitted ignorance. You have the right to remain silent and you don't own the thread, blogger.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Nope, you still don't get it. I am arguing that justification for existence is intrinsic, no action necessary.

"your is not verified"

You really are just trolling and wasting my time.
No, my existence has no justification. Really, it's true, in more ways than you will ever know.

Yet, here I am. And I've said before I don't think you are being real, but trolling. Therefore, to me, unverified.
 

Doer

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Writing is a bigger contribution to society than serving corporate interests.
Yet, I'm not taking about writing in forum am I? So, that"s trolling by sophistry. I am taking about your idea this foum is an uncontested blog for you. Write away.

Again. I see no one agreeing with you.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Nope, you still don't get it. I am arguing that justification for existence is intrinsic, no action necessary.

"your is not verified"

You really are just trolling and wasting my time.
Justification may be intrinsic, but support is not. I don't need to justify my existence, but the basic duty to support myself is ... a basic duty. I wonder if what you are really saying is that everybody deserves to live any [word] way they want, and support should be provided by [unspecified].

If I follow that logic farther around the bend, you're painting the idea of responsibility for one's own life to be "racist". That is how I am now integrating your posts, and there is just no way I can agree. cn
 

abandonconflict

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Yet, I'm not taking about writing in forum am I? So, that"s trolling by sophistry. I am taking about your idea this foum is an uncontested blog for you. Write away.

Again. I see no one agreeing with you.
I never said it was uncontested, I said you utterly failed logically. I have even continually been so courteous as to retort to your ignorance, it isn't my fault you're so trapped.

"Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul." ~Mark Twain
 

abandonconflict

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Justification may be intrinsic, but support is not. I don't need to justify my existence, but the basic duty to support myself is ... a basic duty. I wonder if what you are really saying is that everybody deserves to live any [word] way they want, and support should be provided by [unspecified].

If I follow that logic farther around the bend, you're painting the idea of responsibility for one's own life to be "racist". That is how I am now integrating your posts, and there is just no way I can agree. cn
No, that would be a stretch. I'm not suggesting anyone toil for the sake of others, but if they do toil more than what is necessary to sustain themselves, the excess ought not to be wasted.

I have also demonstrated that our system is all about the masses toiling for the excess of an opulent few.
 
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