seedy bud potency

bigbudeddie

bigbudeddie

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So i got a hermaphrodite in my crop and it has spread its pollen already. I know that when the pollen activates the female to produce seeds it stops producing the resin or as much of it anyway. Does anyone know exactly how much thc is lost when a female starts producing seeds?
 
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FallenHero

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For each seed that grows inside a calyx, you loose most of the thc content of that calyx. depends on how bad it gets hit, either a seed grows in the calyx, or it fills with resin... so you see how much it can effect this. fully pollenated.. you will be very sad with the outcome.
 
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fdd2blk

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i've seeded plants many times. it's not so much it loses potency, as it is losing mass. less mass = less thc. like russ0r said.
after seeding one branch on an otherwise sensi plant i mark it because there is no visible difference at harvest.
i feel your weed is just as potent it just has seeds is all.
 
hearmenow

hearmenow

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I have been thinking about this for awhile too and even asked the question, for which I never got a question. Here's what I am thinking: I bought some "regs" or "mids" recently and the shit was actually pretty good. Not like my blueberry haze or crip that we usually get but not bad at all. Of course, it came with seeds and the buds weren't as big. Now, if I plant those seeds (which I did) and ensured the females don't get fertilized, shouldn't that result in buds with even higher potency? The seeded buds were pretty good already. Allow the plant to focus on producing resin instead of seeds and it should result in some even better shit, right?
 
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fdd2blk

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hearmenow said:
I have been thinking about this for awhile too and even asked the question, for which I never got a question. Here's what I am thinking: I bought some "regs" or "mids" recently and the shit was actually pretty good. Not like my blueberry haze or crip that we usually get but not bad at all. Of course, it came with seeds and the buds weren't as big. Now, if I plant those seeds (which I did) and ensured the females don't get fertilized, shouldn't that result in buds with even higher potency? The seeded buds were pretty good already. Allow the plant to focus on producing resin instead of seeds and it should result in some even better shit, right?
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yes. if the bud was go the seed is as good. now it's up to the grow to pull the most out of the seeds genetics. it's all in the helix.
 
babygro

babygro

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russ0r said:
For each seed that grows inside a calyx, you loose most of the thc content of that calyx. depends on how bad it gets hit, either a seed grows in the calyx, or it fills with resin... so you see how much it can effect this. fully pollenated.. you will be very sad with the outcome.
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This isn't true at all I'm afraid - you're somewhat confused and giving out incorrect information.

The ovules or calyxs or seed pods of a female Cannabis plant are parthenocarpic, which basically means they'll behave in the same way as if they've been pollenated and seeded regardless of whether they have or not. This is why the calyxs swell to the size they do on unpollenated sensimilla or seedless female plants.

Pollenation of the ovules or calyxs does NOT stop resin and THC production at all, it simply carries on as if the calyx had not been pollenated - this is the plants method of protecting the seed by a layer of sticky resin that deters any predators or insects from feeding on its seeds, and it also helps the seed pods from drying out from UVB exposure.

The resin is produced on the calyx to protect the seed - resin production does not stop at pollenation.

What does happen is that the plant then re-focuses it's energy on seed production and slows down the production of other flowers of calyxs because its genetic program is to produce seeds to complete it's life cycle - that's why unseeded sensimilla put all their energy into producing as many flowers, buds, ovules or calyxs as possible in a desperate attempt to get a least one of them pollenated and seeded.

The pollenation of half a dozen calyxs won't make much difference to the yield, but with more extensive pollenation the plant switches energy into seed production and the yield will suffer as a result.

But none of this has any affect whatsoever on resin production.
 
babygro

babygro

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hearmenow said:
The seeded buds were pretty good already. Allow the plant to focus on producing resin instead of seeds and it should result in some even better shit, right?
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Wrong.

This just goes to show how one persons misinformation can perpetuate and confuse the hell out of everyone.

There is no difference in resin or THC production in a seeded calyx or an unseeded one - because the resin is there in the first place to protect the seed.

If anything, pollenation and seeding would INCREASE resin production not decrease it.
 
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FallenHero

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babygro said:
This isn't true at all I'm afraid - you're somewhat confused and giving out incorrect information.

The ovules or calyxs or seed pods of a female Cannabis plant are parthenocarpic, which basically means they'll behave in the same way as if they've been pollenated and seeded regardless of whether they have or not. This is why the calyxs swell to the size they do on unpollenated sensimilla or seedless female plants.

Pollenation of the ovules or calyxs does NOT stop resin and THC production at all, it simply carries on as if the calyx had not been pollenated - this is the plants method of protecting the seed by a layer of sticky resin that deters any predators or insects from feeding on its seeds, and it also helps the seed pods from drying out from UVB exposure.

The resin is produced on the calyx to protect the seed - resin production does not stop at pollenation.

What does happen is that the plant then re-focuses it's energy on seed production and slows down the production of other flowers of calyxs because its genetic program is to produce seeds to complete it's life cycle - that's why unseeded sensimilla put all their energy into producing as many flowers, buds, ovules or calyxs as possible in a desperate attempt to get a least one of them pollenated and seeded.

The pollenation of half a dozen calyxs won't make much difference to the yield, but with more extensive pollenation the plant switches energy into seed production and the yield will suffer as a result.

But none of this has any affect whatsoever on resin production.
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I never said it STOPPED resin production, but if what YOU say is TRUE, then , the calyx are the same size either way - if a seed is in there, as much of the resin is not.

partially incorrect i may be, but saying its not true at all is an overstatment to make me look bad, because you dont like me. And you're attitude around this forum is starting to get on the rediculous side you wanker. not to mention how cocky you act. do you smoke at all? you're never mellow. pull the broomstick out yer anus.
 
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fdd2blk

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babygro said:
Wrong.

This just goes to show how one persons misinformation can perpetuate and confuse the hell out of everyone.

There is no difference in resin or THC production in a seeded calyx or an unseeded one - because the resin is there in the first place to protect the seed.

If anything, pollenation and seeding would INCREASE resin production not decrease it.
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babygro does it again. thank you. i should really pull my books out more often. i've never believed seeding lowers potency. i just couldn't eplain it properly. you have now. there are HUGE misconceptions on resin production. and often for the sake of getting in big arguements i let them slide by me.
i've witnessed first hand the effects pollenating has on potency. yet people will still fight me on it. good post. thanks again.
 
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fdd2blk

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babygro said:
This isn't true at all I'm afraid - you're somewhat confused and giving out incorrect information.

The ovules or calyxs or seed pods of a female Cannabis plant are parthenocarpic, which basically means they'll behave in the same way as if they've been pollenated and seeded regardless of whether they have or not. This is why the calyxs swell to the size they do on unpollenated sensimilla or seedless female plants.

Pollenation of the ovules or calyxs does NOT stop resin and THC production at all, it simply carries on as if the calyx had not been pollenated - this is the plants method of protecting the seed by a layer of sticky resin that deters any predators or insects from feeding on its seeds, and it also helps the seed pods from drying out from UVB exposure.

The resin is produced on the calyx to protect the seed - resin production does not stop at pollenation.

What does happen is that the plant then re-focuses it's energy on seed production and slows down the production of other flowers of calyxs because its genetic program is to produce seeds to complete it's life cycle - that's why unseeded sensimilla put all their energy into producing as many flowers, buds, ovules or calyxs as possible in a desperate attempt to get a least one of them pollenated and seeded.

The pollenation of half a dozen calyxs won't make much difference to the yield, but with more extensive pollenation the plant switches energy into seed production and the yield will suffer as a result.

But none of this has any affect whatsoever on resin production.
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this part also. thank you.
 
babygro

babygro

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fdd2blk said:
babygro does it again. thank you. i should really pull my books out more often. i've never believed seeding lowers potency. i just couldn't eplain it properly. you have now. there are HUGE misconceptions on resin production. and often for the sake of getting in big arguements i let them slide by me.
i've witnessed first hand the effects pollenating has on potency. yet people will still fight me on it. good post. thanks again.
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No worries fdd, glad you found it interesting.

My problem is - I read too much...
 
hearmenow

hearmenow

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So, to be clear, I can't expect my potency to be any better than what I received with seeds (assuming the plants receive the same growing treatment) regardless of whether the plant is fertilized or not. Well that's a bit of a letdown. It was good shit to begin with but I was hoping for more. Next grow it'll be purchased seeds for sure.
 
Dr.Nick

Dr.Nick

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Ugh, there is so much misinformation floating around here (and everywhere) about weed. People just need to relax, do a little research (on their own) and stop spreading hearsay. I know a lot of the information on weed for recreational use has never been reliably catalogued, but inferences can be made from research done on industrial hemp and on other resinous and alkaloid producing plants. Tobacco for example, I don't think there has been more research and money put forth on increasing the yield and potency on any psychoactive plant, ever. And a lot of the information can be applied with a little modification to cannabis. Besides that,, there are also tons of studies on THC content, CBDs, etc.that were conducted in the 60s and 70s that can be accessed at most public libraries, and they're really useful. The bottom line is, assume nothing you hear is true, and check it out for yourself. Sorry, this is a subject that I'll rant about for a long time if allowed to. I'll stop now.

Oh, wow, just realized that this thread is like 3 years old... oh well.
 
Dr.Nick

Dr.Nick

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I didn't even realize it till like 5 minutes after I wrote that, I edited in that last part, lol.
 
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