The riddle of the gun; looking at both sides of the gun debate

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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desert dude said:
What's funny to me is that you don't see the irony in your own post. Whatever your opinion on birth right citizenship, the Republicans, proposing a constitutional amendment are doing things the right way. They are not demanding that we just say "fuck off" to the constitution, they are saying birth right citizenship is dumb so let's legally amend the constitution to do away with it. Such a constitutional amendment might, or might not pass.

You hoplophobes are saying, "dude, the constitution is old and nobody understands what those white slave owners wrote cause they spoke, like, a different language back then and guns are scary so, dude, the guns gotta go, constitution be damned". You anti-gun types should take a cue from the anti-birth-right types and work to amend the constitution to revoke 2A.

In summary, it is legal and ethical to amend the constitution. It is illegal and unethical to ignore and violate the constitution.

Incidentally, the article you linked to is two years old. The movement to amend the 14th apparently foundered.
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So, your only beef is that the gun control crowd is going about this the wrong way? You'd be A-OK with a constitutional amendment taking away all of your guns as long as it is done procedurally correct?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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st0wandgrow said:
So, your only beef is that the gun control crowd is going about this the wrong way? You'd be A-OK with a constitutional amendment taking away all of your guns as long as it is done procedurally correct?
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Yes, I would abide with a constitutional amendment that made gun ownership illegal. I would think it foolish, and I don't think it has a prayer of happening though. Do you agree to abide by the constitution we currently have?
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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desert dude said:
No, I don't agree and I outlined the reasons why in post 169. I am not, at heart, a slave as some on RIU seem to be.
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And post #178 explains why that is a pipe dream.

YOU may feel like you could put up a fight, but there wouldn't be many standing by your side.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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desert dude said:
Yes, I would abide with a constitutional amendment that made gun ownership illegal. I would think it foolish, and I don't think it has a prayer of happening though. Do you agree to abide by the constitution we currently have?
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Absolutely. We may split hairs on the interpretation of some of it, and we may disagree on what (if any) amendments need to happen, but ultimately I respect and abide by it.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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st0wandgrow said:
And post #178 explains why that is a pipe dream.

YOU may feel like you could put up a fight, but there wouldn't be many standing by your side.
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Maybe so. Depends on the actual situation. As I said earlier, an insurrection would have to be legitimate to succeed.

The notion that Americans are too fat and soft to rebel doesn't stand scrutiny. The American military is made up of Americans and it doesn't seem too soft to carry out military functions. How many people in the US are discharged soldiers? There is a large base of militarily trained civilians, and there is a huge inventory of weapons (eww, shudder) in the hands of civilians.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Beefbisquit said:
You're assuming a 'movie-esque' uprising.

While I admire your vision, most people who are told to do something by their boss or someone in power, do it. It's how our psychology works. Kind of sucks, but it's true.

All you people claiming to be the next 'Wolverines' sure talk big, but talk is cheap mother fuckers, and I bet a good portion of you would either do nothing, or run and hide, if shit hit the fan.

As much as I would like to believe that every single person only has a 'fight' response, it's called a 'fight or flight' response for a reason.
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No; I am not. I am envisioning an utterly un-movie-esque scenario unless the movie is "Saving Private Ryan" ... relentless ugliness until the moral war is lost. You are attempting to pejorate/marginalize what I actually am saying by linking it to a Hollywood scenario and thus obscuring my real point. cn
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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cannabineer said:
No; I am not. I am envisioning an utterly un-movie-esque scenario unless the movie is "Saving Private Ryan" ... relentless ugliness until the moral war is lost. You are attempting to pejorate/marginalize what I actually am saying by linking it to a Hollywood scenario and thus obscuring my real point. cn
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Both of us are suggesting possible scenarios. Neither of us know for sure what would happen.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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st0wandgrow said:
So, your only beef is that the gun control crowd is going about this the wrong way? You'd be A-OK with a constitutional amendment taking away all of your guns as long as it is done procedurally correct?
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Tough call, st0w. Very tough call.
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Yup. Tough. cn
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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st0wandgrow said:
As Beefbisquit pointed out .... justifying gun ownership for personal protection is both valid, and reasonable. Justifying gun ownership so that you can overthrow the American government (and the military) is laughable.
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So self defense is ok as long as it's not the government attacking you?
 
missnu

missnu

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There are too many guns here now to properly control them...but I think everytime someone gets nabbed and they find 36 guns in their house they should take the guns and melt them down and make something useful...to help with the remainder of guns they just need to make bullets super expensive. Chris Rock said it as a joke, but I truly think that is the answer.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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missnu said:
There are too many guns here now to properly control them...but I think everytime someone gets nabbed and they find 36 guns in their house they should take the guns and melt them down and make something useful...to help with the remainder of guns they just need to make bullets super expensive. Chris Rock said it as a joke, but I truly think that is the answer.
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I think the state should auction off confiscated firearms to the highest bidder. There are some sweet weapons available!
 
unohu69

unohu69

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if it were constitutional, we should require every male and female to enroll into a national guard program exactly like the swiss. then we wouldnt have this problem, every adult would of at that point learned what a firearm is and isnt. 90% of these antigun nuts have never even held a gun. ignorance is their problem, and it will not be solved, because their ignorance has blinded them from ever even being open to seeing the truth.

its the same reason why we dont listen to anti pot tards talking to us, theyv never even smoked, how the fuck would they know anything about it !!. dont tell me shrooms are bad if youv never done them.
 
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rooky1985

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desert dude said:
I think the state should auction off confiscated firearms to the highest bidder. There are some sweet weapons available!
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That would be great but then the state in question wouldn't be able to complain about budget as much. I imagine the auction opening with a gold plated ak LOL.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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missnu said:
There are too many guns here now to properly control them...but I think everytime someone gets nabbed and they find 36 guns in their house they should take the guns and melt them down and make something useful...to help with the remainder of guns they just need to make bullets super expensive. Chris Rock said it as a joke, but I truly think that is the answer.
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But why are guns bad? cn
 
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NoDrama

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missnu said:
There are too many guns here now to properly control them...but I think everytime someone gets nabbed and they find 36 guns in their house they should take the guns and melt them down and make something useful...to help with the remainder of guns they just need to make bullets super expensive. Chris Rock said it as a joke, but I truly think that is the answer.
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People will just reload, its pretty cheap.
 
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